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Jordan7hm posted:Rebeccah Blaikie is doing some kind of phone ndp election debrief thing but I hung up pretty quickly because it was basically cross country checkup for ndpers. Turns out I don't care what the average Canadian ndp voter thinks anymore than what the average Canadian thinks. I did stay on the line, even though I was trying to make dinner and the handset batteries kept dying. tl;dr: same analysis as here, but with more Mulcair love from aging socialist hippies.
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re: the Ontario death spiral people were talking about earlier. Could lower oil prices lead to a nicer year for the automotive industry and maybe a slightly better year for Ontario? Or is that industry not really relevant to the province anymore?
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tekz posted:re: the Ontario death spiral people were talking about earlier. Could lower oil prices lead to a nicer year for the automotive industry and maybe a slightly better year for Ontario? Or is that industry not really relevant to the province anymore? Lower oil prices and the lower Canadian dollar, in theory, make the country as a whole (and therefore Ontario) more attractive for manufacturing and non-oil exports. The problem is that the past ten years of the high dollar have destroyed much of our manufacturing capacity, and it will only come back if Canada is a more attractive site for international investing then our national competitors--and the Canadian dollar is never going to be as low as the peso. You should expect an upswing in manufacturing that already exists, because it's possible for companies located here to hire more workers and scale up production, but for all the plants that have fully shut down and all the companies that have relocated to Mexico, don't expect them to come back. We need different industries to lead a recovery here.
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Jan 22, 2016 14:17
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Manitoba is getting its own Brad Wall!! hhttp://www.metronews.ca/news/winnipeg/2016/01/21/new-anti-tax-political-party-in-manitoba-as-election.html
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tekz posted:re: the Ontario death spiral people were talking about earlier. Could lower oil prices lead to a nicer year for the automotive industry and maybe a slightly better year for Ontario? Or is that industry not really relevant to the province anymore? What vyelkin said, but also keep in mind that most of the inputs to manufacturing an automobile are imported. Raw materials and components are more expensive for Canadian manufacturers, and manufacturing equipment is more expensive for anyone looking to add capacity. For existing plants the low Dollar only makes the labor, utilities and overhead components of the finished good cheaper for exports. For new capacity it's really only labor and utilities.
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tekz posted:re: the Ontario death spiral people were talking about earlier. Could lower oil prices lead to a nicer year for the automotive industry and maybe a slightly better year for Ontario? Or is that industry not really relevant to the province anymore? http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/manuf33g-eng.htm Transportation equipment is 1/3rd of our manufacturing so it's certainly relevant.
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Wish we still had heavy manufacturers to take advantage of the low dollar and oil. Shame they've been dismantled and sent to the US and Mexico over the last decade. The invisible hand knows best.
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DariusLikewise posted:Manitoba is getting its own Brad Wall!! Anything that splits the right wing vote is fine with me, even if that thing is a candidate who once literally compared his opponent to satan in a campaign flyer. Actually maybe that's even better.
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infernal machines posted:Yes, if only this hadn't been pointed out repeatedly during the election, when it was known by anyone with even a passing interest in the transit file that the entirety of SmartTrack (not just that western portion) was quite literally impossible to accomplish as pitched. It hasn't become any less impossible, and every revision has been slowly walking the plan back, to basically cover Metrolinx's plan for the RER, which will be built and funded by the province in the same time frame. Meanwhile John Tory has been glad handing every politician he can get near, "securing" funding for his impossible fantasy, and ensuring that the real transit needs of Toronto will never be met. Why are these plans impossible? I'm vaguely curious, I have family in Toronto that (of course) bitches constantly about public transit, so I wonder how it seems so constantly bad.
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Maybe they should pursue a pipeline to Churchill instead.
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“You can’t dump raw sewage, accept foreign tankers, benefit from equalization and then reject our pipelines.” Hmm well it looks like you can, so...
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" Alberta is now under virtual economic blockade." I don't think the writer understands how troubling this statement actually is.
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I can't wait until everyone wants to move to BC to participate in our  green rush Finally everyone will know BC is world class
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e: ^^^^ Ontario is already preparing for the Weed Farms!vyelkin posted:Lower oil prices and the lower Canadian dollar, in theory, make the country as a whole (and therefore Ontario) more attractive for manufacturing and non-oil exports. The problem is that the past ten years of the high dollar have destroyed much of our manufacturing capacity, and it will only come back if Canada is a more attractive site for international investing then our national competitors--and the Canadian dollar is never going to be as low as the peso. You should expect an upswing in manufacturing that already exists, because it's possible for companies located here to hire more workers and scale up production, but for all the plants that have fully shut down and all the companies that have relocated to Mexico, don't expect them to come back. We need different industries to lead a recovery here. Manufacturing is also hampered heavily by the skyrocketing hydro costs (yes this is a very ikantski post but its still a major factor). Ontario is a pretty diverse province in terms of work force though and I do wonder why its taking so long to refocus that into a new area instead of wishing on a star for the old days to return.
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Furnaceface posted:Manufacturing is also hampered heavily by the skyrocketing hydro costs (yes this is a very ikantski post but its still a major factor). Because Canadian corporations are chickenshit and would rather stash billions of dollars offshore than actually take a risk by investing it in something new, and our governments are all either too austere or too corrupt (or both) to competently invest government money in new industries, innovation, and R&D.
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PT6A posted:What's wrong with massive condo/apartment buildings? It's not the buildings themselves it's the overall approach to urban planning. Others have already given really good and detailed answers but I'll just add that without the right mixture of buildings you can create really poorly planned neighborhoods that are unpleasant or even dangerous. There's a huge development on the northern boarder of Toronto called Blackcreek or, because of it's major intersection, "Jane and Finch". It's a weird mixture of apartment block towers surrounded by bungalows and gas parks. When the towers were built in the 1960s they were intended for middle class car owners, but the neighborhood ended up being mostly inhabited by low income immigrant communities. Because of bad zoning and bad economic planning the area has a dense population but a totally inadequate base of stores and employment opportunities. People have to leave the neighborhood for some of their shopping and for work, but the local transit is poorly designed and many families are too poor for cars. Meanwhile the huge apartment towers and the attempts to install green-space have made it so that there are huge pedestrian deadzones that don't have much foot traffic: these areas are the perfect places to rob someone, or to flee into after committing a crime, and as a result the poorly thought out layout of the neighborhood is conducive to criminal behavior (which then gets, in typical racist Canadian fashion, blamed on the locals). There's nothing wrong with apartment buildings and condos but they have to be built in a way that complements the rest of the neighborhood. If you just throw up some cheaply built towers and overload the local neighborhood without planning a commensurate expansion of transit and proper zoning to ensure local stores and jobs then you can end up with an urban planning disaster on your hands. flakeloaf posted:The first part I get, but my motivation for moving out was not having to endure the crash of rhinos endlessly penetrating all six sides of my living space. That six feet of air between me and the other guy is worth a few hours of shoveling and yard work. I think traditional towns are great and I think detached houses in city neighborhoods like the Annex or Cabbagetown or The Beach are great. It's specifically the way that modern subdivisions are built -- where every street is a curvy illogical mess with no side walks that is intentionally designed to make foot traffic impossible, and you have to drive to do literally anything -- that I think is disastrous from both an environmental and a social perspective. More traditional towns actually did a pretty good job of combining a dense main strip with walkable stores and maybe even some apartment buildings with outlying areas where you could have a house sitting on a decent bit of land. And it used to even be pretty affordable. It would be fantastic if we had a government that actually tried to preserve and strengthen towns because I totally get why many people would rather live in a small town than a big city and I think that's a lifestyle that it makes sense to try and preserve. Dreylad posted:Can't disagree with any of this. The problem is how you handle the problem of so many towns - mainly the ones surrounding the GTA - that have entirely suburbanized. There's no putting that genie back in the bottle, and trying to save the suburbs from themselves is probably beyond the municipal budget of most cities. On a related note, the handful of towns that haven't totally sub-urbanized often become very expensive, which is a problem with a lot of urban renewal stuff in general: it just prices out everyone but the rich. Or you don't get priced out exactly but now your whole community is dependent on wealthy outsiders / newcomers and your new life involves selling stuff to them or repairing their broken poo poo. Bracebridge Ont is a town that has a pretty nice main drag with traditional stone buildings and local stores for coffee and books and clothing and outdoor supplies and the like. But during the summer it's pretty clear most of the business here comes from the wealthy city people who own cottages in the area. Then you go down the hill and you come to endless suburban car parks filled with lovely fastfood restauraunts and a Wal-Mart. And suddenly half the people there are 30 pounds heavier, wearing wifebeaters and baseball hats and driving Ford F-150s. The resulting class and cultural divide can be a bit jarring.
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jm20 posted:Energy East rejection is 'denying the livelihood of other Canadians,' says Ambrose Lol, gently caress right off! What a cow
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Helsing posted:I think traditional towns are great and I think detached houses in city neighborhoods like the Annex or Cabbagetown or The Beach are great. It's specifically the way that modern subdivisions are built -- where every street is a curvy illogical mess with no side walks that is intentionally designed to make foot traffic impossible, and you have to drive to do literally anything -- that I think is disastrous from both an environmental and a social perspective. I used to live in such a place. Check out the developments around Portobello Blvd. in Ottawa's east end. They are exactly the places you describe: Few sidewalks, curvy mazes to nowhere, and unless you want to go to Shoppers or the grocery store you're not walking anywhere useful. There were all sorts of retail outlets and grocery stores and the like out there, but not a lot of them paid a wage that could actually sustain someone living in that area. Most of the people living there had a good 30-45 minute drive (or, if they were smart and had no kids, an hour on the bus) to work every morning. You aren't a community just because you have a lot of people living in the same place.
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Just so you dumb assholes know how dumb you are, I'd like to remind you all of Tony Clement's loving cognitive dissonance poo poo cake. http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/8962354 It seems all of Canada has already forgotten about this and it was of no consequence to Clement's career or dignity. This is why Canadian politics is such a loving joke and Canadians are garbage. Say something stupid and all is forgotten within a couple weeks.
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Cultural Imperial posted:Just so you dumb assholes know how dumb you are, I'd like to remind you all of Tony Clement's loving cognitive dissonance poo poo cake. http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...-deal-1.3400250 Listen to him defend his position here. The host hammers him haaaaard.
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jm20 posted:http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...-deal-1.3400250 Clement: We thought they were going to fight terrorists, now there's an execution, now in a gear shift that would astonish a trucker we demand transparency. Carol Off: You knew these vehicles had been used to suppress peaceful demonstrations before you sold them, and you sold them anyway. 
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flakeloaf posted:Clement: We thought they were going to fight terrorists, now there's an execution, now in a gear shift that would astonish a trucker we demand transparency. It's a really bizarre interview. At times Clement sounds like an NDPer essentially saying "Liberal Tory same old story" but also he was in the government at the time.
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This dumb poo poo needs to be rubbed into the face of every loving person who voted for a conservative
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Cultural Imperial posted:This dumb poo poo needs to be rubbed into the face of every loving person who voted for a conservative lol if you think righties would change their position based on some two faced politicking /THC They don't care, small guvment, lower mah taxes, no more handouts
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Also who cares if our manufacturing jobs are killing muslims or why. The average conservative voter doesn't care, or is supportive of "them killing each other over there"
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Cultural Imperial posted:Just so you dumb assholes know how dumb you are, I'd like to remind you all of Tony Clement's loving cognitive dissonance poo poo cake.
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Baronjutter posted:Also who cares if our manufacturing jobs are killing muslims or why. The average conservative voter doesn't care, or is supportive of "them killing each other over there" They have a strong perference towards a pro-active bombing campaign on the city of Agrabah so selling a couple more 'murder jeeps' aint a thing
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THC posted:Clement lost whatever dignity he had after the Gazebo Fiasco of 2010. And yet there are enough dumb motherfuckers who keep voting for him. This is why Canadians are loving worthless
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Paul Calandra lost his seat, let's be thankful for that. Have some faith yet, you guys!
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Cultural Imperial posted:And yet there are enough dumb motherfuckers who keep voting for him. This is why Canadians are loving worthless I missed you CI
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quote:There's a huge development on the northern boarder of Toronto called Blackcreek or, because of it's major intersection, "Jane and Finch". It's a weird mixture of apartment block towers surrounded by bungalows and gas parks. When the towers were built in the 1960s they were intended for middle class car owners, but the neighborhood ended up being mostly inhabited by low income immigrant communities. Resident of OG J&F here! You're pretty much on the money about the layout of Jane and Finch (though the gas parks are quite a ways away from us, and also there's quite a lot of mid-sized developments there. I live in one). Though in terms of development it's quite a lot better than it was when I moved here (six years ago), with a lot more local businesses and community events going on. It's by no means a model neighborhood and it obviously still has problems (murders!), but I've walked around the area at any and all hours and never once felt unsafe. J&F is more than a failure of urban planning though. While your insight was good, it is somewhat limited in addressing the social and historical challenges/failures that allowed J&F to become a historically troubled neighborhood. J&F accounted for the lion's share of population growth in North York (a function of the dense housing), but social services and in particularly Toronto public housing was utterly unequipped for a huge influx of immigrant communities with traditionally weak social mobility. My fiancée grew up in one of the worst of the worst apartment complexes in the region (though not in a government housing) and her take is that neither the residents nor social services were willing to cooperate mutually on any kind of neighborhood reform. When a massive subsection of your neighborhood are first-generation landed immigrants with little/no English skills and difficult prospects, their children often stratified on racial lines (the population is majority Carribean/South East Asian). Urban planning plays a huge role in why J&F has been a rough place, but it doesn't account for the huge (and some would say deliberate) gaps in social services that allowed the region to decay over time. Changes in that regard have seen huge improvements, however. As always Helsing, you rock at this whole posting thing. edit: As an addendum, I previously lived at the Village at YorkU and that place is a literal cesspool of filth, alcoholism, and trash. Never live there. And don't call the police: they won't come.
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InfiniteZero posted:Anything that splits the right wing vote is fine with me, even if that thing is a candidate who once literally compared his opponent to satan in a campaign flyer. I have my fingers crossed that we end up with a NDP Minority and Selinger steps down, that is the only scenario I like so far.
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DariusLikewise posted:I have my fingers crossed that we end up with a NDP Minority and Selinger steps down, that is the only scenario I like so far. We would have to put him through seeker training so that he can still catch the snitch despite the other guys getting more votes I wonder if any of the people that voted to keep him as leader actually expected him to win another election. I went out with a French girl a while back after the pst drama who completely loved the guy, you would've thought he was the second coming listening to her. So those people exist I guess is my point cheese sandwich fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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I just got an NDP flyer in Winnipeg saying that they were sorry they didn't listen but they totally will now
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Canadians will not be interested in pipelines for a long time. Alberta and the CPC poisoned the well for short term gains and now they're going to pay for it long term. No one will trust any positive spin about pipelines because the entire system was completely corrupted and has zero credibility. Also they literally poisoned the well in a lot of places by building substandard pipelines, carrying bitumen in pipes designed for crude and failing to repair/monitor pipelines or implement effective monitoring systems. Their poo poo sucked, they knew it, the contractors knew it, the government knew it and everyone turned a blind eye while collecting royalties and revenues all the while cutting back on manual air and ground monitoring despite knowing that the replacement remote monitoring systems didn't even work. cowofwar fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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The solution is to allow the pipelines through our provinces provided Alberta accepts our low and mid level nuclear waste and torontos garbage
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To be honest, I don't think anything can be done about the Canadian economy unless and until our biggest and best corporations are forced to do something better than collect rents - whether on natural monopolies (utilities), exploitation of publicly-created infrastructure and regulations (telecoms), accumulations of capital (retail finance and insurance), or natural resources (mining, forestry, energy, fishing)... I believe, as even Karl Marx did, that the free market has immense power and energy to create and change. But, as with any organism, it has evolved for rigid efficiency. The rentier therefore fears change and works to do as little as possible and to preserve the status quo, as it understands that its greatest threat is not a competitor but a change - whether from innovation or merely the effects of a functioning society. Thus, they compete not against each other but against the public. It breeds a toxic degree of conservatism that is anathema to any sort of innovation. Of course they'd leave their money overseas and refuse to take risks - risks are bad for them. If I was all-powerful and had a time machine, I'd have focused Canada's development on the public control and ownership of vital resources, utilities and natural monopolies. The profit from them would be reinvested into creating an extremely efficient space for people to take risks and form businesses, with robust public infrastructure, a strong social safety net, high-quality education, and only indirect government support in the form of low taxes (which would be focused more on personal income), cheap power, universal health care (to include vision, dental and pharmacare) and other such enablers. Of course, I doubt anyone has managed such a thing. So I have to put my pipe down and live with what we have.
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