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warburg
Jan 9, 2007

My melee attacks feel really underpowered. I cant help but feel like im missing something because I do such piddly damage unless I get the weapon buff from my mage pawn.

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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
Ugh, after doing the hard mode > normal mode restart for a second ring of perseverance mostly because I failed chasing shadows, I missed another quest line! I found out after the fact that exploring the duke's palace as soon as you get there and exiting via the dungeons means you don't see a cutscene, which means you never even meet a quest npc.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

I bought this game despite having it on PS3 because of my severe mental problems. Add me and my elderly pederastic pawn Moist Grampa : http://steamcommunity.com/id/jimbob11

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
So if I fail the Lost and Found quest does that mean I can't access the portcrystal in Witchwood?

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

Could anyone add me to the steam group?.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/tei

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Jordan7hm posted:

So if I fail the Lost and Found quest does that mean I can't access the portcrystal in Witchwood?

Yes

year199X
Oct 9, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Serious Frolicking posted:

Ugh, after doing the hard mode > normal mode restart for a second ring of perseverance mostly because I failed chasing shadows, I missed another quest line! I found out after the fact that exploring the duke's palace as soon as you get there and exiting via the dungeons means you don't see a cutscene, which means you never even meet a quest npc.

Don't worry too much about it unless you like forced romance, stealth, and terrible escort quests.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

brutal!

(thanks :))

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Trapezium Dave posted:

Is there any reason to focus on eventually killing the Ur-Dragon other than the challenge and/or bragging rights? (not to say these aren't valid reasons on their own)

I know there is some gear involved, but I heard the DLC expansion negated this somewhat unless you are an obsessive completionist.


Online, nope not really,


Offline at least, yes. Heaven's key is a useful set of holy Daggers to have. Also 20 full heals wakestones, are useful as poo poo.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
So (ending spoilers) if I start a completely new game, will the Seneschal still be my characer from the last save, or is that just for NG+?

beejay
Apr 7, 2002

The online Ur-Dragon was one of the things that made me super interested in this game back in the day but at that point I was kind of over console gaming, and by the time I thought about getting the game again I had heard it was kind of out of reach. I had hopes for getting involved in killing it on PC but it looks like I'm progressing too slow to partake again. Oh well. I'm glad to hear that it's not as huge of a deal as I thought. I am loving this game in general, and I haven't even really gotten anywhere yet.

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007

beejay posted:

The online Ur-Dragon was one of the things that made me super interested in this game back in the day but at that point I was kind of over console gaming, and by the time I thought about getting the game again I had heard it was kind of out of reach. I had hopes for getting involved in killing it on PC but it looks like I'm progressing too slow to partake again. Oh well. I'm glad to hear that it's not as huge of a deal as I thought. I am loving this game in general, and I haven't even really gotten anywhere yet.
You can always get involved in killing it. Just get in there and cumulatively deal like 3million damage across all attempts that generation. Whenever it finally dies you'll get a bunch of rewards. Getting it during the grace period is another story, and just something you watch out for.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Hocus Pocus posted:

Its funny how you get attached to other people's pawns. I had goon pawns Shaggy and Aricka (sorry I didn't give you a gift - I buttoned past it and couldn't go back :ohdear:) yesterday/today and kept them on even when I gained about ten levels on them.

When picking pawns out, somewhere between their inclinations, and copying the habits of their owner, it really does feel like you're looking for the right personality/behaviour to suit your playstyle/team.

I'd had a string of pubbie striders/rangers, and they'd all been really frustrating. Then I picked up Shaggy and he balanced daggers and bow like I did when I was a ranger. Dumping ten fold flurries into the big meanies, and saving daggers for tight spaces and weak enemies - as it should be.

Oh man, glad to hear he works pretty well for other people. I think the fact I've played a sorcerer most of the game and never climb enemies makes him actually use his bow a lot of the time because he almost never jumps on anything (except giant skeletons weirdly).

Not so great when he was a strider/warrior. Ranger definitely suits him best.

Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer
My three Bernes.



e: Three is ENOUGH!

Gildiss fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jan 22, 2016

Electric Lady
Mar 21, 2010

To be victorious
you must find glory
in the little things
I did a few levels as sorceror and it's the first playstyle that didn't really click with me. All those charge times. Mystic Knight has them too but they're for enchantments or spells that otherwise last a little while. So I'm not gonna worry about min-maxing at all. I'll go back later on to farm it up to rank 9 for the augment, but otherwise I'm just gonna stick with Mystic Knight, maybe switch to assassin when I feel like it. It makes it a little easier knowing that Ur-Dragon isn't a necessity for endgame except for utter completionists.

I killed a griffin in front of Gran Soren that flew into a goblin pack I was fighting, was this the one that unlocks the quest for the Bluemoon Tower? I've just been told that the Duke wants to visit me but I haven't accepted the quest yet. I'm just not sure about the timing.

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

Gildiss posted:

My three Bernes.



:syoon:

AndroidHub
Feb 28, 2007

I've seen some stuff that would really make you say "like what?"
So is it accurate that going into hard mode then cranking it down to normal is just a "reset the world" but you keep everything skill/level/item -wise? I just sorta free-wheeled through the game and missed basically every quest that it is possible to miss.

mirarant
Dec 18, 2012

Post or die

Alabaster White posted:

I'm having a hard time getting my teeth into this game. Traveling around takes forever, and combat is arduous because all the encounters are like 30 tough-rear end bandits or saurians, so the fights go on for ages. Not to mention my pawns can't fight worth a drat so I constantly need to do all the work singlehandedly and help them up every 5 seconds. I am mashing "COME" as hard as I can, please stop running at the chimera we have no chance of even scratching. I just want to go back to town :(

The combat is also not really doing a whole lot for me. I can use the basic lovely sword swings, or the ridiculously overpowered dash-stab move that does 3x the damage, can be used like 6 times in a row before running out of stamina, and stunlocks enemies. All the fights so far have devolved into me spamming the dash while my pawns fall over constantly. At least I have some eminently useful information about a certain type of canid's weaknesses and hunting techniques.

Might want to give out some more info (your level, where are you in the storyline etc.)

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Onmi posted:

So I was stabbing my way through Bitterblack and just finished off Gazer, I'm wondering if (at level 51) I should keep plunging down or just go stab the Dragon already. I'm running a Magic Knight who spent a significant amount of time in Fighter (About 13-14 levels while I max Ranked it) and Sorcerer.

You're about to run into a big difficulty spike in BBI that you may have trouble with. There's also some BBI content that doesn't unlock until the post game, so you might want to keep on trucking with the main quest. It'll certainly make the rest of BBI significantly easier for you.

Onmi posted:

Right now my build is.

Sword Skills
Stone Forest
Great Cannon
Ruinous Sigil

Shield Skills
Holy Glare (Still building up Discipline for Furor)
Blessed Trance
Abyssal Anguish

I wonder if there are any skills I'm overlooking

Also my Augments

Vigilance (Extend the Limits of your health, whatever that means)
Vehemence (More Strength)
Sinew (More Carry Capacity)
Prescience (Easier Perfect Block, would be good if I ever remembered to Block in time)
Adamance (Halves Stamina Consumed when blocking attacks, See Prescience)
Retribution (Revive Pawns with boosted Attack and Magic)

I have a feeling that's less than optimal. But I'm not really sure what to go for.

My own augments are:

Clout (20% strength boost, as opposed to Vehemence's 10%)
Sinew
Bastion (reduced physical damage for face tanking)
Prescience
Articulacy (15% reduced cast times, stacks with Wyrmking's Ring for 32%)
Acuity (20% magic attack boost, stacks with base and weapon stats)

It's also worth pointing out that perfect blocks don't consume stamina.

Vigilance also only increases your HP by 100. Bastion is a bit weird in that it seems to reduce the amount of damage taken after the end of a damage calculation. The wiki claims that it reduces damage taken after armor calculation by 50 in the base game, 112.5 in BBI, so every time you would take damage you're taking 50 or 112 less damage from the attack. On hard mode the damage reduction is doubled. So I'd recommend ditching Vigilance for Bastion, and probably eventually ditching Bastion once you get good enough armor.

If you want to go more swingy, Clout and Vehemence stack, while Acuity and Attunement stack with each other if you want more magic.

Since you have Prescience, I'd recommend ditching one of your shield spells for a shield enchantment. Holy enchantment is good if you can perfect block near one of your Great Canons, as it shoots a ton of lasers which will proc your canons an absurd amount. I'd recommend getting rid of Holy Glare/Furor. It's a neat seeming spell but I haven't found a situation where it's actually feasible to use. A Ruinous Sigil with a Great Canon inside is a lot more practical.

If you're running a GK build you may want to substitute Stone Forest for Full Moon Slash, which poops out a ton more GC shots than basic attacks. Like Holy Glare/Furor there aren't a lot of situations where Stone Forest is worth using over the Sigil/GC combination.

Horace Kinch
Aug 15, 2007

Broken Cog posted:

So (ending spoilers) if I start a completely new game, will the Seneschal still be my characer from the last save, or is that just for NG+?

If you completely wipe your save the first time it will always be the guy you played as in the tutorial. In NG+ the Seneschal is a random player + main pawn (online) or your previous guy (offline).

Horace Kinch fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jan 22, 2016

Praseodymi
Aug 26, 2010

Seeing as we're on Mystic Knight augment chat, it's worth mentioning that Inflection, which is meant to halve damage received while casting, is bugged so it actually doubles it.

AndroidHub
Feb 28, 2007

I've seen some stuff that would really make you say "like what?"

Praseodymi posted:

Seeing as we're on Mystic Knight augment chat, it's worth mentioning that Inflection, which is meant to halve damage received while casting, is bugged so it actually doubles it.

Oh...

oh...

(I've been using that since I unlocked it :smithicide:)

Praseodymi
Aug 26, 2010


Yeah, I hope they fix it, it seems like it'd be pretty good for an MK build.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Praseodymi posted:

Yeah, I hope they fix it, it seems like it'd be pretty good for an MK build.

It's been bugged since the original DD release, I think, so I doubt they're going to fix it now.

Emong
May 31, 2011

perpair to be annihilated


Evil Mastermind posted:

It's been bugged since the original DD release, I think, so I doubt they're going to fix it now.

Wouldn't be surprised if a mod fixed it, though.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
There's a fenced off area near Greatwall. I figured it'd have bandits, but there was an ogre instead. After killing it and take a look around, I noticed the benches and table there were ogre sized and there was a bunch of food on it.

I broke in to this dude's house and murdered him while he was eating dinner

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Robo Reagan posted:

There's a fenced off area near Greatwall. I figured it'd have bandits, but there was an ogre instead. After killing it and take a look around, I noticed the benches and table there were ogre sized and there was a bunch of food on it.

I broke in to this dude's house and murdered him while he was eating dinner

That's the pet ogre of a nearby bandit leader. You can get a quest to get him some food.

Horace Kinch
Aug 15, 2007

That bug was in the PS3/XB360 version too. Looks like they never got around to fixing it.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Broken Cog posted:

That's the pet ogre of a nearby bandit leader. You can get a quest to get him some food.

gently caress, I should have known better

Deadly Ham Sandwich
Aug 19, 2009
Smellrose
I love that there are so many quests that you can miss or fail without even realizing it.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Elderbean posted:

Any tips on making a good strider/ranger pawn?

Three starred or dragon/silver/goldforged rusted bow and whatever move fires the most amount of arrows possible, make them something that isn't scather so they'll use their bow rather than try to dagger everything and congratulations, you have the single most useful pawn type in the game that nobody on pc is making (i'm also guilty of this b/c schierke is a tiny witch and that's just a fact)

e: you can three star a rusted shortbow with a vendor item from the black cat iirc, so you should be able to have one as early as the first time you hit gran soren

ee: high lassitude on a sorcerer is scrub tier by comparison, but sorcerer's giant gently caress-off spells absolutely love having a friend with a rusted bow torporing everything for them

atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jan 22, 2016

im cute
Sep 21, 2009

Finally got my future support Mage going. Challenger/Utilitarian for the early game, probable Utilitarian/Medicant once things get going for real. Played a ton on consoles, but are there any weird PC idiosyncrasies to look out for?

2 SPOOKY
Sep 9, 2010

Always Be Alert!

Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:

I love that there are so many quests that you can miss or fail without even realizing it.

The sidequest progression page on the wiki is basically spoiler free and incredibly helpful. It lists quests by stage and shows which cut off at what point. And the individual quest pages tend to list the more esoteric requirements (like the 2nd stage of the Cassardis well quest requiring you to wait 7 ig days from the first to be able to take) near the top, well above any quest spoilers.

It's not the greatest feature of Dragon's Dogma for sure, but really if you miss a quest knowing that it is possible to do so, it's your own fault for not using the resources available. :shrug:

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

UberJew posted:

Three starred or dragon/silver/goldforged rusted bow and whatever move fires the most amount of arrows possible, make them something that isn't scather so they'll use their bow rather than try to dagger everything and congratulations, you have the single most useful pawn type in the game that nobody on pc is making (i'm also guilty of this b/c schierke is a tiny witch and that's just a fact)

e: you can three star a rusted shortbow with a vendor item from the black cat iirc, so you should be able to have one as early as the first time you hit gran soren

ee: high lassitude on a sorcerer is scrub tier by comparison, but sorcerer's giant gently caress-off spells absolutely love having a friend with a rusted bow torporing everything for them

So should you be using that as a strider or ranger? Or is it a personal preference thing?

e:Derp, Rusted Bow is Assassin/Strider only

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Robo Reagan posted:

So should you be using that as a strider or ranger? Or is it a personal preference thing?

depends on if you find it fun: rusted bow will do basically no damage but comprehensively debuff targets

i prefer having a pawn to do it but i carry a rusted bow around as an assassin just in case i need it for something

there is a rusted longbow as well, i just don't remember what the upgrade materials are for that offhand

im cute
Sep 21, 2009

Robo Reagan posted:

So should you be using that as a strider or ranger? Or is it a personal preference thing?

e:Derp, Rusted Bow is Assassin/Strider only

Using a Rusted Longbow with Tenfold Flurry is pretty much a guaranteed Poison+Torpor on anything that isn't totally immune.

warburg posted:

My melee attacks feel really underpowered. I cant help but feel like im missing something because I do such piddly damage unless I get the weapon buff from my mage pawn.

Keeping your weapon updated and upgraded and taking Vehemence, Clout, and Ferocity will help. Some of the advanced and hybrid classes get stuck in a bit of a rut since their weapons tend to drop later than the basic classes (ask me about using Magian Crutch right up to the end of the game). Keep checking in with vendors after story beats, when their inventory expands. Particularly Caxton and the guy at Granwall, but also Barroch in BBI if you're rolling in gold.

im cute fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jan 22, 2016

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

UberJew posted:

depends on if you find it fun: rusted bow will do basically no damage but comprehensively debuff targets

i prefer having a pawn to do it but i carry a rusted bow around as an assassin just in case i need it for something

there is a rusted longbow as well, i just don't remember what the upgrade materials are for that offhand

I was talking for a pawn. I'm trying to get rid of the rusted bow on my character since I already have a few weapons on hand at all times. One less would be nice and if a Rusted Bow/Longbow pawn is more useful to goons then that's nice too

Elderbean
Jun 10, 2013


Where can you pick up better weapons and armor, other than the MASTERWORKS guy? I'm around level 34 at the moment.

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004

I managed to port my 360 save over to an alternate steam account. :w00t: Too bad everything I send to my main account is rocks. :argh:

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Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer

Elderbean posted:

Where can you pick up better weapons and armor, other than the MASTERWORKS guy? I'm around level 34 at the moment.

Make a trip to the Greatwall Encampment.

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