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Amgard
Dec 28, 2006

jm20 posted:

The solution is to allow the pipelines through our provinces provided Alberta accepts our low and mid level nuclear waste and torontos garbage

We tried shipping the Maritime's garbage over there, but it came back. :v:

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Apr 4, 2007

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jm20 posted:

The solution is to allow the pipelines through our provinces provided Alberta accepts our low and mid level nuclear waste and torontos garbage

Don't send Wynne to Alberta, they're suffering enough.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Count Roland posted:

Why are these plans impossible?

I'm vaguely curious, I have family in Toronto that (of course) bitches constantly about public transit, so I wonder how it seems so constantly bad.
This article give a good overview of the problems with SmartTrack. There's a lot of dancing around the fact that SmartTrack (as sold) was a plan to use existing GO lines, the problem being, there is quite literally no physically possible way to use the existing GO lines to achieve the headway promised. You can't put that many trains on the track. Partially because of Transport Canada's safety requirements, and partially because you literally can't have trains traveling in two directions down a single track at the same time (see the eastern portion, using a single track through Agincourt, etc.)

So you can't have the headway without building new lines, fine. But you also can't build new lines in some of the corridors planned without flattening a bunch of homes, because the right of way for the lines isn't broad enough to run three or more sets of tracks. Then you look at the proposed stations and find that there's nowhere to build some of them without either flattening more homes, or making them completely useless to the areas they're meant to serve.

The whole thing was drawn on the back of a napkin, it was an election ploy, and it worked. Unfortunately John Tory is too stupid to realize that it was never meant to be doable, and so he's been trumpeting it from the rooftops as the savior of Toronto transit.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Every time an Albertan doesn't buy my app they are denying my livelihood! :qq:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

THC posted:

Every time an Albertan doesn't buy my app they are denying my livelihood! :qq:

If the government of Calgary had the ability to block the sale of your app to most people, and was intent on doing so out of sheer petulance, you might have a good point.

Tan Dumplord
Mar 9, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

PT6A posted:

If the government of Calgary had the ability to block the sale of your app to most people, and was intent on doing so out of sheer petulance, you might have a good point.

Also if the app brought Alberta 0 benefit with significant risk of environmental contamination.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

sliderule posted:

Also if the app brought Alberta 0 benefit with significant risk of environmental contamination.
Zero benefit would be a fair accusation

e: come to think of it, there is also the potential for environmental contamination, if users throw their smartphones away in disgust without taking them to an ethical e-waste recycling shop.

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jan 22, 2016

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
Maybe Alberta should small business themselves out of their resource export price shock.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Guys why isn't my Marxist weed fantasy real

Edit :420:

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Small businesses can't fail, they can't only be failed (generally by the government, or livelihood denying enemy provinces)

Tan Dumplord
Mar 9, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Honourable job creator: Stop being petulant and let me dump this toxic waste near your city!

Selfish tree-hugging hippie politician installed by the stupid evil job-hating communist conspiracy: No! Also I am bad.

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

sliderule posted:

Honourable job creator: Stop being petulant and let me dump this toxic waste near your city!

Selfish tree-hugging hippie politician installed by the stupid evil job-hating communist conspiracy: No! Also I am bad.

The PoliToons thread is leaking again.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

PT6A posted:

If the government of Calgary had the ability to block the sale of your app to most people, and was intent on doing so out of sheer petulance, you might have a good point.

I won't even bring up environmental concerns because I get that you'll never care about them or will always find a way to rationalize why economic development matters more but let me try and frame this in a way you might understand.

What's petulant is that Albertans seem to think they have a right to build pipelines through other people's backyards and yet they're outraged that the people assuming most of the risk of the inevitable leaks or spills might actually want to enjoy some of the benefits of the pipelines.

If you're not gonna share profits with BC or Quebec then why in God's name would they ever agree to these pipelines?

The real irony here is that I bet if we'd had a Liberal government for the last 9 years they would have greased enough palms and made enough concerned clucking noises about the environment to get most of these pipelines built. Jean Chretien or Paul Martin would have found ways to placate the US environmentalist lobby and throw a bit of symbolic devleopment projects at BC or the East.

But Stephen Harper decided to play hardball, and the Albertans loved it and kept supporting Harper long after the rest of the country was fed up with him. And now as a province you're all shocked to discover there isn't much goodwill left. Maybe if your province hadn't doubled down on the most divisive and unpleasant and generlly undiplomatic rear end in a top hat in living memory then you would have made more progress on getting those pipelines built. Turns out, though, that speeches that might play well with the Calgary Petroleum Club or the Calgary Southwest riding association might not be the right message for the rest of the country.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
So is weed legal yet

Tochiazuma
Feb 16, 2007

Cultural Imperial posted:

So is weed legal yet

Yes they're using it to build condos in Vancouver

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Tochiazuma posted:

Yes they're using it to build condos in Vancouver

Better than wood. At least when it catches fire, someone will benefit.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Cultural Imperial, eat your heart out:

quote:

Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 5:09 PM - In news that will not come as a surprise to anyone living in the Great White North, a new survey listed Canada is the second-best country in the world on Wednesday, sitting behind one European country.

Germany took the top spot, while the United Kingdom came in third. The United States took the fourth spot.

The survey was prepared by U.S. News and World Report, the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business and BAV consulting.

More than 16,200 leaders in business and notable members of the public were surveyed ahead of the World Economic Forum, which kicked off Wednesday in Davos, Switzerland.

Canada earned its high ranking for a number of factors.

Celebrating diversity, being culturally influential and having an overall good quality of life are three of them.

Canada also scored high for its stunning wilderness, earning high points for being scenic (we have photographic evidence below) and having a pleasant climate (we're not sure every Canadian would agree with that).
:canada:

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Helsing posted:

Cultural Imperial, eat your heart out:

:canada:

Those articles are generally garbage. It's like the wanking that goes on when Vancouver ends up in the annual top-5 list of the best cities in the world when The Economist does its rounds.

Which reminds me that we're due for that article fairly soon.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
lol celebrating cultural diversity, bunch of white people in their condos thinking they are culturally diverse because they have a Canadian-born asian neighbour and have sushi once a week.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
It's even funnier when you notice that this particular study isn't even based on some attempt to estimate "quality of life" or whatever. They just rang up some unspecified business leaders and "citizens of note" just before the annual Oligarchs conference Davos and asked them which countries they like at the moment.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

DariusLikewise posted:

lol celebrating cultural diversity, bunch of white people in their condos thinking they are culturally diverse because they have a Canadian-born asian neighbour and have sushi made by korean or cantonese speakers once a week.

This is the real Canadian experience right here.

more like dICK
Feb 15, 2010

This is inevitable.
What's worse on this rating scale, German Turks or Canadian Chinese?

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




jm20 posted:

This is the real Canadian experience right here.

My favourite local sushi place has a Korean sushi chef, super nice guy

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

more like dICK posted:

What's worse on this rating scale, German Turks or Canadian Chinese?

Mods!!!!!!!? DO SOMETHIIIIING

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

CLAM DOWN posted:

My favourite local sushi place has a Korean sushi chef, super nice guy

http://www.168sushibuffet.com

http://www.gccmgc.com/about.php

ni hao, shi shi shi... shi, thats some good kanji I have going here :v:

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

eXXon posted:

The Eglinton LRT is fine. In fact, John Tory's SmartTrack (TM) plan would necessitate tunneling along Eglinton West and Tory just admitted that this would be outrageously expensive. So guess what, we're also going back to the Transit City plan of extending the LRT. Good job, anyone who voted for this useless old money suit for his half-bakrd transit fantasy.

The consturction going on on Eglinton wouldn't be so bad if the other side of the street wasn't shut down to build condos. I was just driving in that area this week and it is goddamn nightmare.

cowofwar posted:

So is there any city in Canada where council actually runs the city in planning mode and not just constant catch up and whack a mole?

Compared to a lot of US cities Canada is more like a libertarian utopia.
I think this is why everyone thinks Ontario drivers are assholes. We are assholes, but it's because our cities make no goddamn sense and clearly have no extant planning. You have to drive like a dickhead just to get around the one way street across the parking lot and five lanes of traffic just because the other entrance to the hospital has a partition in the road.

David Corbett posted:

If I was all-powerful and had a time machine, I'd have focused Canada's development on the public control and ownership of vital resources, utilities and natural monopolies. The profit from them would be reinvested into creating an extremely efficient space for people to take risks and form businesses, with robust public infrastructure, a strong social safety net, high-quality education, and only indirect government support in the form of low taxes (which would be focused more on personal income), cheap power, universal health care (to include vision, dental and pharmacare) and other such enablers.

I wanted a glorious socialist petrostate too, man.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

David Corbett posted:

To be honest, I don't think anything can be done about the Canadian economy unless and until our biggest and best corporations are forced to do something better than collect rents - whether on natural monopolies (utilities), exploitation of publicly-created infrastructure and regulations (telecoms), accumulations of capital (retail finance and insurance), or natural resources (mining, forestry, energy, fishing)...

I believe, as even Karl Marx did, that the free market has immense power and energy to create and change. But, as with any organism, it has evolved for rigid efficiency. The rentier therefore fears change and works to do as little as possible and to preserve the status quo, as it understands that its greatest threat is not a competitor but a change - whether from innovation or merely the effects of a functioning society. Thus, they compete not against each other but against the public. It breeds a toxic degree of conservatism that is anathema to any sort of innovation. Of course they'd leave their money overseas and refuse to take risks - risks are bad for them.

If I was all-powerful and had a time machine, I'd have focused Canada's development on the public control and ownership of vital resources, utilities and natural monopolies. The profit from them would be reinvested into creating an extremely efficient space for people to take risks and form businesses, with robust public infrastructure, a strong social safety net, high-quality education, and only indirect government support in the form of low taxes (which would be focused more on personal income), cheap power, universal health care (to include vision, dental and pharmacare) and other such enablers.

Of course, I doubt anyone has managed such a thing. So I have to put my pipe down and live with what we have.

This was what 'the Waffle' attempted to do, operating as a leftist faction of the NDP.

Wikipedia posted:

Manifesto for an Independent Socialist Canada

The Manifesto for an Independent Socialist Canada was a document drafted by a leftist faction of Canada's New Democratic Party, known as the Waffle, in 1969.[1] When that group briefly left the NDP between 1972 and 1974, it became their party's main programmatic statement.

The Manifesto for an Independent Socialist Canada is also known as the Waffle Resolution. It outlined the Waffle's deep resentment for the "American Empire," and their organization's commitment to furthering the socialist cause in Canada within the template of a successful democracy.

The Manifesto helped contribute to a debate on American control of the Canadian economy and particularly the extent of US ownership of Canadian business and resources and the emergence in Canada of a branch plant economy. The Liberal government of Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau instituted attempts to assert domestic economic control such as the creation of Petro-Canada, meant to assert Canadian control of the energy sector, and the Foreign Investment Review Agency, intended to review and limit foreign ownership and particularly American takeovers of Canadian companies. These measures were introduced in part due to pressure by the NDP, particularly during the minority government that followed the 1972 election. The NDP, in turn, had urged these measures in part due to pressure by the Waffle within the party.

After 1974, when the Waffle's party, Movement for an Independent Socialist Canada, disbanded, the Manifesto for an Independent Socialist Canada became a historical document. The name of the NDP's Socialist Caucus's Manifesto for a Socialist Canada is an echo of the earlier document's influence.

Even though they were just one faction of a party that never even held power they were actually able to shift the coordinates of the debate back during the 1970s, when the public dialogue on these issues was generally more conducive to these discussions than it would be in today's barren and corporate controlled media environment.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

jm20 posted:

This is the real Canadian experience right here.

There's actually a ton of ~ethnic Japanese~ owned restaurants in Vancouver and there's starting to be more in Toronto. Of course, when there are 15x more Chinese Canadians than Japanese Canadians you're definitely going to see a lot more of those AYCE places and whatnot around.

Also I just looked up the numbers and there are 160k Koreans to 109k Japanese in Canada? Why does it feel like there are way more Koreans or is this just due to immigration waves leading to more first gen Korean immigrants?

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Japanese immigrants are older and tended to be professionals. Korean and Chinese immigrants tended to be from a lower class background so that is reflected in their occupations.

Also Japanese cuisine is a thing so authentic Japanese restaurants tend to be expensive. Restaurants serving AYCE tend to be run by Koreans.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

A shooting at a school in La Loche, SK left at least two people dead, according to multiple reports.

brucio
Nov 22, 2004
5 dead now. Yeesh.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/northern-saskatchewan-school-in-lockdown-after-shooting/article28351900/

quote:

Five people have been killed during a school shooting incident in northern Saskatchewan, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday.

Earlier reports said two people had died.

RCMP did not release any details about what they called a “serious incident.”

The source was not authorized to speak on the record and requested anonymity.

Premier Brad Wall issued a statement Friday expressing shock and sorrow at what he called “the horrific events” in La Loche.

He also thanked RCMP and emergency personnel who responded quickly.

The shooting happened at the La Loche Community School’s junior and senior high school building, which was put in lockdown, around 1 p.m.

Mounties asked parents and residents to stay away.

“We are in the preliminary stages of investigation,” the RCMP say in a release.

The Ducharme Elementary School a few blocks away was also locked down as a precaution.

“Saskatchewan Education and Social Services will be available to provide all necessary crisis support and counselling services to the school and the community,” Wall said.

La Loche is a remote Dene community of about 3,000 people on the eastern shore of Lac La Loche in the northern boreal forest.

The area’s NDP MP, who attended the same school, was setting up a constituency office in the community when the shooting occurred.

“We’re fairly shaken up. It’s a sad day,” said Georgina Jolibois, who was mayor of La Loche until she was elected federally last fall.

“My own nieces and nephews were inside the school.”

Jolibois said she went to the school and spoke with some of her family members, who were unharmed. She wouldn’t reveal details of the shooting, saying she preferred RCMP to release the information.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
As it happens was interviewing a kid from the school. (and more)

Ugh.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Jordan7hm posted:

As it happens was interviewing a kid from the school. (and more)

Ugh.

His descriptions were surreal, describing seeing his friend get shot (and presumed he's dead) and running for his life. He also posted pictures or video of the chaos according to that interview.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

That's awful :( Is that the worst one in Canada since Ecole Polytechnique?

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)
loving hell.

David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

colonel_korn posted:

That's awful :( Is that the worst one in Canada since Ecole Polytechnique?

I think so, yes. It's horrifying.

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

quote:

The annual suicide rate in the Keewatin Yatthe Regional Health Authority is the highest of any health authority in Saskatchewan. The area, which includes La Loche, Buffalo Narrows, Ile a la Crosse and other communities in the province’s northwest, averaged 43.4 suicide deaths per 100,000 people between 2008 and 2012. That’s more than triple the average annual provincial rate of 12.7 suicide deaths per 100,000. The average annual suicide rates in the Saskatoon and Regina Qu’Appelle health authorities were 10.2 and 11.5 per 100,000 people respectively for the same time frame.

Jesus Christ.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
This is a horrifying event, but notice how loving nothing is being released about it. No victims names, no mugshots, no theories on the killer. How the RCMP aren't leaking to the press like a sieve.

What a stark contrast to the immediate dramatization and milking of American shootings.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
You're overthinking this. It is a community of 3000 with no access by road, Ofcourse information will be much less forthcoming then the us market where every affiliate news station has a helicopter and police scanners.

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

jm20 posted:

You're overthinking this. It is a community of 3000 with no access by road, Ofcourse information will be much less forthcoming then the us market where every affiliate news station has a helicopter and police scanners.

Yeah, if this was happening in downtown Toronto instead we would have fifteen competing wildly speculative theories so far and ten of them would be terrorism.

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