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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I'm a bit behind on Best friends stuff, where did something like that even come up and what did Liam say about it?

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Depths
Apr 15, 2009

SENPAI
http://twitter.com/2BFLiam/status/690597557970550785
Liam... Just let the vita go...

E: http://twitter.com/2BFLiam/status/690932905669824513

Depths fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jan 23, 2016

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro
is there a game with sengoku rance's overworld and combat? but not all the rape and lolicons?

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

lmao

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Al-Saqr posted:

It's FINE.



It's not a PROBLEM.
The last time someone had ironically defending this sort of thing as their gimmick they got permabanned from SA, so I guess it's a good thing liam doesn't post here

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

He would ALMOST have a point except rape and lolis.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Andrast posted:

I'm a bit behind on Best friends stuff, where did something like that even come up and what did Liam say about it?

Their latest saltybet video, an anime sword girl appears and trap gets sprung
It sounded a bit like a deadpan joke, but you never know with Liam

TriffTshngo
Mar 28, 2010

Don't get it twisted who your enemies are.
jesus loving christ liam I knew the kid had no goddamn standards but that's crossing at least four or five lines.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

fatherboxx posted:

Their latest saltybet video, an anime sword girl appears and trap gets sprung
It sounded a bit like a deadpan joke, but you never know with Liam

I'm willing to just say it's serious because Liam's Criminal Girls history leads me to believe he would I in ironically say Rance is good.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
I looked up the game to see if it was a Vita release (because that would explain a lot) and I found an article in Portuguese defending the game with a title that translates literally to "It's just a game".

I didn't know Liam was fluent in Portuguese!

TheRealestMatt
Jun 27, 2014

The Boss. The CEO. The J-Cup Lover.
Heh, the problem here is that alot of porn is more wholesome than a good percentage of Japan-only games.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Dias posted:

I looked up the game to see if it was a Vita release (because that would explain a lot) and I found an article in Portuguese defending the game with a title that translates literally to "It's just a game".

I didn't know Liam was fluent in Portuguese!

Rance is one of the longest running PC-exclusive series as it happens.


TheRealestMatt posted:

Heh, the problem here is that alot of porn is more wholesome than a good percentage of Japan-only games.

Eeeeeyup

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

TheRealestMatt posted:

Heh, the problem here is that alot of porn is more wholesome than a good percentage of Japan-only games.

Yeah. I mean, if it was something like Tsukihime, I'd give it a pass, but c'mon.

Now I question Liam's deadpan mentions of Rapelay.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

TheRealestMatt posted:

Heh, the problem here is that alot of porn is more wholesome than a good percentage of Japan-only games.
A lot of porn has higher standards than a lot of Japan-only games, yeah

There also might be a reason those games are Japan-only, yeah

Look at that Fire Emblem thing where the "protagonist" drugs this one gay girl without her knowledge so she sees men as women, and "cures" her of her gayness and marries her, and that's in the latest Fire Emblem that is coming to the US(though they are excising that particular nonsense from the english release)

edit: oh yeah the cherry on top of that was her saying she only had eyes for the protagonist even when it was revealed he was a guy and not a girl, and he says something along the lines of "I don't want to catch you lusting after women after this"

classy as gently caress

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Jan 23, 2016

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

Captain Invictus posted:

Look at that Fire Emblem thing where the "protagonist" drugs this one gay girl without her knowledge so she sees men as women, and "cures" her of her gayness and marries her

:what:

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I wish I was joking

Check the edit, too, for more amazing writing

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

The good news (aside of it being cut from the English version) is Liam says he sincerely hopes to not even discuss said Fire Emblem scene and it's exclusion. That was a half hour knife fight I was dreading.

Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jan 23, 2016

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

Please don't listen to Invictus, because it's a dumb anime thing rather than a dumb "Japanese games are deplorable" thing

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Baal posted:

Please don't listen to Invictus, because it's a dumb anime thing rather than a dumb "Japanese games are deplorable" thing
OK like, when all we had was a billion random fan translators arguing with each other this was believable but NINTENDO ITSELF is issuing the backdown Baal.

...Well I say that but Invictus did get some details wrong.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Nintendo is issuing a backdown because it's going to look bad to westerners who jump to conclusions and immediately assume it is meant to be gay cleansing. Like I would be willing to believe it was a thing if it wasn't both coming from Tumblr more than any other place and it wasn't a goofy rear end Japanese game where most of the word we are getting from it is people who are intentionally looking to stir poo poo up.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

Baal posted:

Please don't listen to Invictus, because it's a dumb anime thing rather than a dumb "Japanese games are deplorable" thing

I mean, I don't care either way, it's just the sort of thing that would get you rightfully lambasted this side of the ocean nowadays. That being, if the actual context is "lesbian gets healed by the magical power of the D".

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
also another notch on final fantasy tactics superiority over that dumb fantasy swordspeople that look the same series


Although I say that but watching LoGH kinda makes me understand "oh they just look generic, they're actually cool and poo poo".

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

The absolute best argument you could make for it is it's JUST an extremely ill conceived justification for letting a dude PC pair up with every girl, because it's inarguably that. But perhaps the smarter thing to do, which requires no insane magic powder plot, is just lock out the gay girl if you play a dude!

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Oh it deserves to be insulted because it's a stupid loving thing, but the game already has gay marriage in it. There's no agenda to cure people of the gay especially since gay marriage is now a thing in Japan too. It's just boring kneejerk reactions and even I am the king of those I was just like "This is stupid, but harmless."

Rodyle posted:

The absolute best argument you could make for it is it's JUST an extremely ill conceived justification for letting a dude PC pair up with every girl, because it's inarguably that. But perhaps the smarter thing to do, which requires no insane magic powder plot, is just lock out the gay girl if you play a dude!

I mean I agree, but that character never came off as a lesbian to me so much as she is just every other high school girl who tries to grope other girls in anime.

Captain Baal fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jan 23, 2016

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Baal posted:

Nintendo is issuing a backdown because it's going to look bad to westerners who jump to conclusions and immediately assume it is meant to be gay cleansing. Like I would be willing to believe it was a thing if it wasn't both coming from Tumblr more than any other place and it wasn't a goofy rear end Japanese game where most of the word we are getting from it is people who are intentionally looking to stir poo poo up.

It was actually pretty homophobic and gross. Even if you discount the turning a lesbian straight part it's still drugging without consent.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Yeah, that's true.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

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Baal posted:

Oh it deserves to be insulted because it's a stupid loving thing, but the game already has gay marriage in it. There's no agenda to cure people of the gay especially since gay marriage is now a thing in Japan too.

Just because people find something dumb and gross (which that whole deal is) doesn't mean they thing it's part of some larger agenda to wipe gays off the face of the earth.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Like, they just make the wrong call at every stage. Like fine you want to do the COMPLETELY INSANE See Dudes As Ladies thing, have it be Whoops I Mixed Up Your Flask And Mine or something, not I Slipped You Some poo poo.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

Rodyle posted:

Like, they just make the wrong call at every stage. Like fine you want to do the COMPLETELY INSANE See Dudes As Ladies thing, have it be Whoops I Mixed Up Your Flask And Mine or something, not I Slipped You Some poo poo.

...that would raise interesting questions. I mean, it IS better than Rohypnol.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Just because people find something dumb and gross (which that whole deal is) doesn't mean they thing it's part of some larger agenda to wipe gays off the face of the earth.

Except there are several people who do? Like there's a lot of reactions like that, maybe not in this thread, but it is not an uncommon statement to see.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
The funny and sad thing is that 99% of people don't read A rank support conversation, because there was 0 fuss about Awakening which had similar things going on (not the gay conversion thing).

The main arguments from the news is definitely mostly about gay conversion which literally does not exist in the original game, but I learned that the internet can't read for poo poo beyond 125 characters.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Dias posted:

...that would raise interesting questions. I mean, it IS better than Rohypnol.

I mean it's like Austin said on the Beastcast, there's a core in there that is just Wheee, Wacky Anime Genderbend Hijinks but that is TOTALLY lost in execution.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

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It's just, Baal I get you understand that it's dumb and bad but this reply/idea

Baal posted:

Please don't listen to Invictus, because it's a dumb anime thing rather than a dumb "Japanese games are deplorable" thing

Baal posted:

Nintendo is issuing a backdown because it's going to look bad to westerners who jump to conclusions and immediately assume it is meant to be gay cleansing. Like I would be willing to believe it was a thing if it wasn't both coming from Tumblr more than any other place and it wasn't a goofy rear end Japanese game where most of the word we are getting from it is people who are intentionally looking to stir poo poo up.

is loving stupid argument. "Yes I know it's bad and I know anime can handle the topic poorly, but you clearly only think it's bad because it's Japanese. And even though it is bad they're only changing it because people would overreact to it and act like it was a dumb thing."

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Tae posted:

The funny and sad thing is that 99% of people don't read A rank support conversation, because there was 0 fuss about Awakening which had similar things going on (not the gay conversion thing).

The main arguments from the news is definitely mostly about gay conversion which literally does not exist in the original game, but I learned that the internet can't read for poo poo beyond 125 characters.

I think that "I slipped you a potion and now you aren't gay" is pretty bad duder

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Fire Emblem is the worst thing to come out of Nintendo because they're the worst thing by far about Smash Bros.

gently caress All Fire Emblem Characters.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Improbable Lobster posted:

I think that "I slipped you a potion and now you aren't gay" is pretty bad duder

She was never gay

She is bi at maximum if you want to see it that way, but she is written (whether you agree or not) by the writers as straight.

Like I said, the drug thing is a thing I agree should be localized out.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

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Improbable Lobster posted:

I think that "I slipped you a potion and now you aren't gay" is pretty bad duder

To play the Liam's Advocate: "To be fair, it's more I slipped you a potion and you realized that you loved me." Which is a little less lovely but still :laffo:

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

It's just, Baal I get you understand that it's dumb and bad but this reply/idea



is loving stupid argument. "Yes I know it's bad and I know anime can handle the topic poorly, but you clearly only think it's bad because it's Japanese. And even though it is bad they're only changing it because people would overreact to it and act like it was a dumb thing."

I apologize if I'm coming off as insensitive, but I really don't care about this. I saw this stuff and thought "That's dumb" and that was the most reaction I had to it. I understand how and why it comes off as really bad to a lot of people, but I legit don't look at them and think some people aren't overreacting especially when they end up buying the game anyways. If you think that makes me a lovely person, that's fine, but I legit cannot muster up the ability to look at this as anything other than a dumb Japanese thing.

It is a bad thing that was rightfully removed from the game, but I just thought "Yeah, that sounds about right."

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Al-Saqr posted:

Fire Emblem is the worst thing to come out of Nintendo because they're the worst thing by far about Smash Bros.

gently caress All Fire Emblem Characters.

The worst is sheik, you loving casual :colbert:

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Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Al-Saqr posted:

Fire Emblem is the worst thing to come out of Nintendo because they're the worst thing by far about Smash Bros.

gently caress All Fire Emblem Characters.
Once Fire Emblem was bad. Then it was great, then it was okay, and now it's bad again.

I like Lyn, L'arachel, and Nephenee.

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