Hesiod posted:

citation needed.

Here's another fact:

I let you off easy with the forex poo poo and took no end of heat because of it but you were an entitled baby who couldn't get it.

You're not allowed to run for CSM anymore because it turned out the leaders you're defending now got buyer's remorse and you're at best Aryth-lite. That's what I was told.

Feel free to "call me out on my poo poo". Nobody's stopped you so far but also so far all I see is half assed giant baby insinuations.

crew posted:

The awful thing about reddit is: unpopular opinions disappear because of the downvote mechanism so it can be tough to call people on bullshit if they're being propped up by a hate mob.

For example examine this exchange with Xenuria

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/42co46/im_darius_johnson_former_ceo_of_goonswarm_csm_1/cz9dhe5

Normally reddit is quite accepting of Xenuria in a trolling fashion yet here he is being massively downvoted for asking to see a shred of evidence after being accused of some pretty have duty poo poo.

Berious posted:

He's not wrong but he was a bad ceo. Had a gimmick hateboner for euros but the gimmick somehow became real and euro tz got poo poo all to do and withered. Chased out corps that had stuck with us through incredibly bad times for no good reason. Gave ceo to kartoon. Didn't fire deadtear.

Darius has this huge rear end in a top hat persona but sometimes i think he forgot it was a persona. Goons have it better until mittani by far even if it's corporate and boring.

The Bob play was stuff of eve legends but the rest of his ceoship stank.

Glory of Arioch posted:

weaselior was uninvolved with forex there bucko

Berious posted:

He's not wrong but he was a bad ceo. Had a gimmick hateboner for euros but the gimmick somehow became real and euro tz got poo poo all to do and withered. Chased out corps that had stuck with us through incredibly bad times for no good reason. Gave ceo to kartoon. Didn't fire deadtear.

Hesiod posted:

You are wrong. It's cute that you think you might know more about it than the guy who did the investigation and had actual access to things though.

Kimsemus posted:

Having no idea who Xenuria is (I was in goonswarm for like a month) wouldn't other people be able to be able to post logs or substantiate what DJ has said?

Furthermore, I agree -- why not just dump all the logs and proof you have of everything and let people chew on that awhile?

Hesiod posted:

It was a joke you were too stupid to get because you believed the same troll I put in the New York Times.

I wish I'd noticed that and explained it but I didn't because I couldn't honestly believe you were that stupid. I was wrong and it was a major miscalculation as you've pointed out.

I forbade giving the CEOship to Karttoon. It was given to Zapa. Anything else you want to get wrong while claiming the moral high ground?

Kimsemus posted:

Having no idea who Xenuria is (I was in goonswarm for like a month) wouldn't other people be able to be able to post logs or substantiate what DJ has said?

Furthermore, I agree -- why not just dump all the logs and proof you have of everything and let people chew on that awhile?

I actually have no idea who most of the people DJ posts about are, but if its his general feeling that the thing that exists today is different from the thing that existed before, and he doesn't like that, I guess that's his opinion and that's okay right? He says this all got started over something Sion posted (I have no idea who that is either), but I agree with anyone who say she should dump any logs that support his case.

CommonShore posted:

You guys need to realize that the only thing dumber than arguing on the internet is playing eve

Glory of Arioch posted:

no, i was one of the faction five, so yeah, i have an intimate knowledge of what happened

participants in forex:
me (querns)
aryth
mynnna
dramaticus
bloody

weaselior specifically did not participate because he was afraid of being banned

YouTuber posted:

Darius if want to play EVE with Goons without the trouble of filling out pip forms and making quarterly progress reports I'll vouch you into ISRAD/PL no questions asked.

Hesiod posted:

The show us the evidence troll is ridiculous whether it's posted because you got caught cheating or because you don't like the fact that everything you believed about your poo poo was made up.

Xenuria has been given the opportunity to provide me with the evidence (I can't get it) and I openly stated I may have been incorrect EVEN in the original statement.

Having to point out that a cocksucker like that who you all rightfully poo poo all over because he's a loving poo poo of a person with a long history of unfunny lies and annoyances is pretty telling.

Kimsemus posted:

I just feel like, objectively, your narrative makes sense but it rings hollow in places without substantive evidence.

Hesiod posted:

You are wrong. It's cute that you think you might know more about it than the guy who did the investigation and had actual access to things though.

Hesiod posted:

It was a joke you were too stupid to get because you believed the same troll I put in the New York Times.

Glory of Arioch posted:

Hexyflexy posted:

Jesus Christ, like half of the goons who play EVE I've never been in GSF, is running it so stressful that you all loving hate each other now?

Kimsemus posted:

I guess what I'm trying to say is I (and many people) have no frame of reference as to whether Sion, Xenuria, or anyone else is poo poo or not. Most goons are faintly aware that the current state of affairs is sort of poo poo judging by some of the sperg posting that goes on here and things like book kickstarters and taking shill money from Daybreak Games, but when you say someone is a terrible cocksucker, I have no idea if they are or not because I've interacted with them zero.

And also I don't think Xenuria is going to give you the evidence you need so he can fall on his own sword. I just feel like, objectively, your narrative makes sense but it rings hollow in places without substantive evidence.

Glory of Arioch posted:

nah, we just operate under a strict policy of "talk poo poo get hit"

Hesiod posted:

If you want to decide whether I'm telling the truth maybe you should take a look at the actual links I provided on Reddit which were written by people who aren't me that clearly show something wrong with the historical record. I'm loving tired in the philosophical sense and I don't really want to be here or anywhere else talking about this dumb space bullshit.

I get that you feel things would be better if I just out and said things but at the end of the day it's not really about you. I'm getting poo poo off my chest at the pace I choose and if I wanted to see how people felt about the release schedule I'd have asked them. Every once in a while maybe I get to do something because I want to.

Oodles posted:

Can someone explain forex in eve to me, and why it might get you banned?

I'd ask on Reddit, but grr goons and all that.

Oodles posted:

Can someone explain forex in eve to me, and why it might get you banned?

I'd ask on Reddit, but grr goons and all that.

Cal posted:

He isn't wrong. As the guy that came up with it, ran the team, and did it the most, wrote the post and Querns edited it, I would know. Remember our long chats over months because your dumb rear end couldn't even unwind us? Eventually the real story is going to come out in some post EVE memoir and it is going to be delicious.

When you cannot even get basic facts right I don't know how you expect people to believe anything else you say.

Hesiod posted:

If you want to decide whether I'm telling the truth maybe you should take a look at the actual links I provided on Reddit which were written by people who aren't me that clearly show something wrong with the historical record. I'm loving tired in the philosophical sense and I don't really want to be here or anywhere else talking about this dumb space bullshit.

I get that you feel things would be better if I just out and said things but at the end of the day it's not really about you. I'm getting poo poo off my chest at the pace I choose and if I wanted to see how people felt about the release schedule I'd have asked them. Every once in a while maybe I get to do something because I want to.

Hesiod posted:

If you want to decide whether I'm telling the truth maybe you should take a look at the actual links I provided on Reddit which were written by people who aren't me that clearly show something wrong with the historical record. I'm loving tired in the philosophical sense and I don't really want to be here or anywhere else talking about this dumb space bullshit.

I get that you feel things would be better if I just out and said things but at the end of the day it's not really about you. I'm getting poo poo off my chest at the pace I choose and if I wanted to see how people felt about the release schedule I'd have asked them. Every once in a while maybe I get to do something because I want to.

Kazanir posted:

I like Darius a lot in spite of his recent badposting. But if we're relitigating history let's also pause to remember the moment when he banned the creator of EVEThing and Goonmetrics (Tazuki) because Tazuki had bought a freighter alt from someone else who was later banned for RMT. He proceeded to roundly mock people on the public boards who were mad about this, but then later rescinded the bans after admitting that their RMT ban process hadn't actually checked for legitimate character sales.

Good times were had by all.

Hesiod posted:

You are wrong. It's cute that you think you might know more about it than the guy who did the investigation and had actual access to things though.

Hesiod posted:

go ahead and post the "whole story" champ

You were let off the hook and unwinding your dumb bullshit was hard because eve is terribly written but I could and should have just permabanned you. I'd have been right and you'd still be making the same posts in this thread.

Hesiod posted:

I forbade giving the CEOship to Karttoon. It was given to Zapa. Anything else you want to get wrong while claiming the moral high ground?

Zephyrine posted:

I always tried to imagine a CEO transition from Darius to Karttoon.

Darius taking Karttoon up to the top of Goon mountain to gaze over the lands and going:

"Karttoon. You are the greatest of my sons. First among equals. None surpasses you in political cunning and military tactics. Karttoon my son. I am getting old, and one day this will all be yours"

evilweasel posted:

I mean, you complained that Tamir doesn't get credit but he specifically got credit and is a major character in the dumb comic book that was really the only thing that badly mangled what happened (and that was largely because it was limited to some tiny amount of words, and then what was told was heavily modified to fit a comic book).

Nobody's been shorted of credit except maybe Graham, who I think gets forgotten because he quit cold turkey pretty shortly afterwards so he wasn't around to jog people's memory (and because doing the logistic stuff tends to get forgotten as it just doesn't make for the fun stories to tell people when you're not trying to write like an ~official history~). I know what he did though because he was specifically credited in the Wired article (I think) that was written afterwards, something like doing so many towers he told someone that all the bowls were in reinforced in the dishwasher. Xttz is still around and never gets shorted credit though he never speaks up for himself because he's continued to do crazy things, like being the person who realized what Fun With Chemistry could do to Test (several people knew about the corp, only xttz realized you could do more with it than swipe ozone from test stations for cynos).

I also thought extremely poorly of you after being a director during Darius 2.0 but I've generally avoided badmouthing you until now. But if you want to complain that i'm badmouthing you where you can't reach, don't badmouth our stuff on places anything i post will be moderated out or downvoted into invisibility. Even if nobody agrees with you here, it won't make your posts go away.

Oodles posted:

Can someone explain forex in eve to me, and why it might get you banned?

I'd ask on Reddit, but grr goons and all that.

Hesiod posted:

So what you're saying is that when I'm wrong I say "Sorry folks, hosed that one up lol"? Wow what a tremendous poo poo of a person. Clearly a liar and a cad.