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There is Anticipate. The problem I have with UR Prowess is that it still seems worse than Atarka Red.
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Isn't this the winter of perfect mana? Could you make a temur list? You could add Atarka's command and Become Immense for not too much extra cost. Become imense is also going to be much easier to activate with all these cheap cantrips you're using to make the deck function. It might be fighting with Treasure cruise for delve, but I feel like you'll cycle more than 12 cards in any game where you win anyway? like, if you don't burn through twelve cards, your dudes probably weren't able to pump huge enough for the kill? Gensuki fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Jan 24, 2016 |
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Jan 24, 2016 13:53
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Gensuki posted:Isn't this the winter of perfect mana? Could you make a temur list? So yesterday we did a lot of play testing at the LGS. We sleeved up UR Prowess, Jeskai Prowess and Atarka RUG. My thoughts were Jeskai Prowess was the best of them because it had reach. It played a lot like a slow modern burn deck. Early game hit with creatures and cantrips to fuel your hand, mid game just throw burn spells at their face until they die. Ascendancy was garbage in it and just cost a turn and killed you. But running 4 Jeskai charms, 4 wild slash and 4 exquisite firecraft worked pretty well to melt faces. Just waiting for everything in the mail to be able to pull the proxies and take it to an FNM.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:So yesterday we did a lot of play testing at the LGS. We sleeved up UR Prowess, Jeskai Prowess and Atarka RUG. My thoughts were Jeskai Prowess was the best of them because it had reach. It played a lot like a slow modern burn deck. Early game hit with creatures and cantrips to fuel your hand, mid game just throw burn spells at their face until they die. Ascendancy was garbage in it and just cost a turn and killed you. But running 4 Jeskai charms, 4 wild slash and 4 exquisite firecraft worked pretty well to melt faces. Were you running the Jaces or were you doing the Elusive Spellfist replacements?
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Jan 24, 2016 14:34
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Count Bleck posted:Were you running the Jaces or were you doing the Elusive Spellfist replacements? Jace. The Jeskai build had spears, stormchasers and mantis riders, a few abbots for 15 total creatures and then draw and burn to round it out. A few counter spells tossed in and two manlands. Running a 22 land mana base. It worked best when curving into mantis rider and then prowessing like crazy with draw turn 4 then face melting. Oddly satisfying.
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Jan 24, 2016 15:50
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Sounds like I should play the Jeskai Variant, or does that also run Jaces?
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Jan 24, 2016 15:59
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Count Bleck posted:or does that also run Jaces? What a silly question. Is it a standard deck that plays or can splash blue?
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suicidesteve posted:What a silly question. Is it a standard deck that plays or can splash blue? I am allowed to hope.
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Jan 24, 2016 16:11
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My apathy for not getting jace when he was cheap is now haunting me. This is what it must've felt like for people who didn't get Jace TMS when it was $20. j/k I would've traded him into modern staples after the rise anyway.
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Count Bleck posted:Sounds like I should play the Jeskai Variant, or does that also run Jaces? Count Bleck posted:I am allowed to hope. Jace is really good but not wholly necessary. Just run it without him and add some more draw. Edit: every time I see Eric Hawkins I want to punch him in his face. It's just so imminently punchable. Also how does Mcaduffie play with his hair covering his eyes, comb your hair you loving bum. Looking like a nerdly maroon 5 is not good. Errant Gin Monks fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jan 24, 2016 |
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Jan 24, 2016 16:18
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Jace is really good but not wholly necessary. Just run it without him and add some more draw. Do you have the jeskai list available? I need a deck for new standard but really don't want to drop another couple hundred on a bunch of mythics.
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Count Bleck posted:Do you have the jeskai list available? I need a deck for new standard but really don't want to drop another couple hundred on a bunch of mythics. It appears to have more mythics in it than before oath.
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Chill la Chill posted:My apathy for not getting jace when he was cheap is now haunting me. This is what it must've felt like for people who didn't get Jace TMS when it was $20. I bought into Jace when he was $20 because I wanted to run the U/R Tutelage deck. People at my LGS give me poo poo because no one else can afford him now. I thought about trading him for Modern things too, but he is a Modern thing, so I'm just keeping them.
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Sickening posted:It appears to have more mythics in it than before oath. What list is this now? Edit: loving Palace Familiar in the feature match. Count Bleck fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jan 24, 2016 |
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Jan 24, 2016 17:47
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Got to appreciate those Moonlights.
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Jan 24, 2016 18:50
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I can't wait for these 4 and 5 color garbage time sinks to be gone. Fetchable duals with fetches was the worst thing ever,
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Jan 24, 2016 19:01
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Gensuki posted:Isn't this the winter of perfect mana? Could you make a temur list? Mana Winter sounds like a cool way to describe how hosed Standard has been, at times.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:19
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promo guides are scarce. dang
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Jan 24, 2016 19:23
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They should just show Abzan v. Rally 15 times. I can't say I'm gonna miss watching people shuffle constantly when the fetchlands rotate.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:42
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Their match selection is horrible. First game was something like abzan vs esper dragon and second or third was a rally mirror.
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Angry Grimace posted:They should just show Abzan v. Rally 15 times. I can't say I'm gonna miss watching people shuffle constantly when the fetchlands rotate. If there weren't no reason not to run loving 12 of them the Fetches would probably be fine. As is there isn't, so they're not. I look forward to search cards getting shafted even harder as a response. 
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Jan 24, 2016 19:53
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TheKingofSprings posted:I look forward to search cards getting shafted even harder as a response. Rampant Growth 2 (1G) Sorcery Look at the top 3 cards of your library. You may put a basic land card from among those cards into play tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:02
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Fetches plus typed duals are literally the Devil
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I can't wait for these 4 and 5 color garbage time sinks to be gone. Fetchable duals with fetches was the worst thing ever, I liked INN-RTR mana.
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Hellsau posted:Rampant Growth 2 (1G) I just realized Magic is like 40% as fun for me if I don't play a card that lets me search through my library without cracking a fetch at least once in a game No wonder I haven't liked the direction they've been going in
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Jan 24, 2016 20:04
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jassi007 posted:I liked INN-RTR mana. Yes the mana base then was very good. You could easily run 2 colors, 3 was a decent stretch, 4 and 5 were loving not attainable.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Yes the mana base then was very good. You could easily run 2 colors, 3 was a decent stretch, 4 and 5 were loving not attainable. Omnidoor thragfire
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Jan 24, 2016 20:32
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Yes the mana base then was very good. You could easily run 2 colors, 3 was a decent stretch, 4 and 5 were loving not attainable. Yup 4 color reanimator was definitely not a deck.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Yes the mana base then was very good. You could easily run 2 colors, 3 was a decent stretch, 4 and 5 were loving not attainable. Latern decks were a (gimmicky) thing, they were the best winning with door to nothingness is the best thing ever
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awesomebrah posted:Yup 4 color reanimator was definitely not a deck. Never played against it so I wouldn't know about it. Even if I had it wouldn't have mattered. Turbo Gates was INN-RAV and it was the best deck ever in standard.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Never played against it so I wouldn't know about it. I like how you pivot from unequivocal statement to subjective dismissal. excellent shitposting, a fine vintage
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whydirt posted:Fetches plus typed duals are literally the Devil But every other format has this? What makes it uniquely a bad thing for Standard? I haven't had a chance to play in the current Standard so I haven't experienced it myself.
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C-Euro posted:But every other format has this? What makes it uniquely a bad thing for Standard? I haven't had a chance to play in the current Standard so I haven't experienced it myself. Every other format has ways of punishing people for it.
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Lancelot posted:I like how you pivot from unequivocal statement to subjective dismissal. excellent shitposting, a fine vintage Okay let me make a change to my statement. FOR THE MOST PART there were two or three color decks, some outlying 4 color decks. This standard has Jeskai black Mardu green Abzan blue 4 color rally 5 color bring to light It's a little ridiculous. And it seems like almost every deck but the UR Prowess and Eldrazi deck is 4 or more colors on the coverage. Edit: I'm not sure what worse, watching these slow rear end decks durdle around forever or watching the Pats vs the Broncos durdling around forever. I'm probably going to switch it to football Errant Gin Monks fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jan 24, 2016 |
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C-Euro posted:But every other format has this? What makes it uniquely a bad thing for Standard? I haven't had a chance to play in the current Standard so I haven't experienced it myself. Every other format either has ways to keep it in check (Wasteland, Blood Moon, etc.), or has actual reasons why you'd want to focus on two (or even one) colours. They often align, with something like Death and Taxes, you stay in white/colourless for the effects, while also blocking your opponent's land hate (for the most part). In Standard, you have access to good enough mana, and not enough focused payoffs, so you can (and should) use it all to go 4-5C GoodStuff. Even if it's not just A Pile Of Good, you get the point.
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Serperoth posted:Every other format either has ways to keep it in check (Wasteland, Blood Moon, etc.), or has actual reasons why you'd want to focus on two (or even one) colours. They often align, with something like Death and Taxes, you stay in white/colourless for the effects, while also blocking your opponent's land hate (for the most part). If blood moon is in SoI I will poo poo myself with joy. It won't be but god drat it would be amazing.
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Serperoth posted:Every other format either has ways to keep it in check (Wasteland, Blood Moon, etc.), or has actual reasons why you'd want to focus on two (or even one) colours. They often align, with something like Death and Taxes, you stay in white/colourless for the effects, while also blocking your opponent's land hate (for the most part). I actually think the main issue is that you're expected to make far more land drops in Standard than you are in Eternal formats.
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suicidesteve posted:Every other format has ways of punishing people for it. How quickly we forget Ob Nixilis Unshackled  Before you leap down my throat yes, that is a joke.
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Yep I'm switching to football. I can't watch another rally vs 4 color same poo poo again.
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Blood Moon is the worst kind of silver bullet, I don't think they're wrong to not reprint it.
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