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Who What Now posted:What good are facts and logic to you? The fact is is that you, personally, care more about owning guns than you do the deaths of innocent people. All of your ilk does. I'd be more receptive to this argument if A) you applied the same utility logic to every thing else that causes deaths, and B) citizens' legal access to guns was significantly correlated to homicide rate, which it is not.
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Pauline Kael posted:How does my gun ownership relate to the death of innocent people? Can you show me a single instance of a NRA member being convicted of murder? The NRA's general counsel Robert Dowlut was convicted of murdering his girlfriend's mother in 1963
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Jan 24, 2016 19:22
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Dead Reckoning posted:I'd be more receptive to this argument if A) you applied the same utility logic to every thing else that causes deaths, and B) citizens' legal access to guns was significantly correlated to homicide rate, which it is not. You would never be receptive of the argument. Nothing is more important to you than gun ownership. All the facts and logic in the world won't change that, so what's the point in even trying? Better to just point and laugh at the psychopaths that love objects more than innocent life.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:26
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Who What Now posted:You would never be receptive of the argument. Nothing is more important to you than gun ownership. All the facts and logic in the world won't change that, so what's the point in even trying? Better to just point and laugh at the psychopaths that love objects more than innocent life. That's cool. We laugh at your pearl clutching and fear of inanimate objects. Wanna go get some beers after?
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Jan 24, 2016 19:31
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stealie72 posted:That's cool. We laugh at your pearl clutching and fear of inanimate objects. Wanna go get some beers after? Sure, there's this abandoned gas station in the woods. Come alone and with your Social Security card.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:34
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Effectronica posted:Sure, there's this abandoned gas station in the woods. Come alone and with your Social Security card. Darn it, I knew I should have started the "countdown to death threat" timer five posts ago.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:35
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stealie72 posted:That's cool. We laugh at your pearl clutching and fear of inanimate objects. Wanna go get some beers after? I don't fear guns. I fear idiots with guns. Because they are a real and proven danger.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:36
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SedanChair posted:Darn it, I knew I should have started the "countdown to death threat" timer five posts ago. What "death threat"? Just matching some creepy statements with others of my own.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:37
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Effectronica posted:What "death threat"? Just matching some creepy statements with others of my own. Yours always have that eerie sheen of plausibility to them though
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Jan 24, 2016 19:38
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SedanChair posted:Yours always have that eerie sheen of plausibility to them though Stop blaming me for being an OK actor, jerk.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:39
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Who What Now posted:I don't fear guns. I fear idiots with guns. Because they are a real and proven danger.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:40
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Effectronica posted:Stop blaming me for being an OK actor, jerk. Chikatilo was a great actor too, those kids followed him into the woods of their own free will.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:41
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stealie72 posted:Good news for you then, if we go for beers in my state, it's illegal to carry in a bar, so there will be no idiots with guns. I'll even pick up the first round. Yeah, and I bet this "bar" is located deep in the woods and just so happens to look like a freshly-dug shallow grave. You can't fool me. Edit Also the first round is a .45
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Jan 24, 2016 19:50
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Who What Now posted:Yeah, and I bet this "bar" is located deep in the woods and just so happens to look like a freshly-dug shallow grave. You can't fool me. Hey, I was just offering you a beer. You're going to have to find someone else to help with your kinks.
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Jan 24, 2016 19:53
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Lots of murderers seem pretty innocuous at first.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:02
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It never fails to be creepy how many TFR posters believe they can brainwash people into liking guns through "going out for beers".
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Jan 24, 2016 20:04
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Effectronica posted:What "death threat"? Just matching some creepy statements with others of my own. Oh, that whacky, zany, random Effectronica, what a jokester! See threatening people's lives is ~hilarious~ and really adds a lot to the gun control debate!
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Jan 24, 2016 20:08
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Effectronica posted:It never fails to be creepy how many TFR posters believe they can brainwash people into liking guns through "going out for beers". The way to get people to stop being afraid of guns is to take them shooting. Everyone knows this. Sheesh.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:10
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Effectronica posted:It never fails to be creepy how many TFR posters believe they can brainwash people into liking guns through "going out for beers". Yeah I imagine a guy like you doesn't have any friends and has never been invited out for a beer. It helps explain your inability to discuss things like an adult and treasuring juvenile snark over rational discourse.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:11
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Effectronica posted:It never fails to be creepy how many TFR posters believe they can brainwash people into liking guns through "going out for beers". Viewing the relatively typical social interaction of having a friendly discussion over beers (or in an equivalent casual social setting) as a way to engage with a person and potentially sway their opinion as 'creepy brainwashing' is kind of weird. Even autistic people don't hold that kind of view.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:13
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Ogmius815 posted:Edit: why not post some pictures with literal devices? They make you look so cool. Okay. I made a holster for profit and mailed it out so a person can carry their gun around whenever they feel like it: 
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Jan 24, 2016 20:14
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stealie72 posted:Cheese it, fellas. He's onto us!!!! I own and shoot guns regularly. However, unlike you gun nuts I have no illusions about using my guns to kill
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Jan 24, 2016 20:17
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Effectronica posted:It never fails to be creepy how many TFR posters believe they can brainwash people into liking guns through "going out for beers". I'll add something else while I'm add it, and it feels strange to say it, but Tezzor is a higher quality poster than you are
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Jan 24, 2016 20:19
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Pauline Kael posted:I'll add something else while I'm add it, and it feels strange to say it, but Tezzor is a higher quality poster than you are Hey, do you have anything to say about this: SedanChair posted:The NRA's general counsel Robert Dowlut was convicted of murdering his girlfriend's mother in 1963 You know, the exact thing you asked for (even if I didn't provide it)?
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Jan 24, 2016 20:22
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You keep your guns offsite because statistics scare you or because you don't trust yourself or your housemates? Because the former is weird. "This fiream stored in a safe with a cable lock through the action and ammo secured separately could, somehow, be considered to be a constant danger."
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Jan 24, 2016 20:24
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Who What Now posted:I own and shoot guns regularly. However, unlike you gun nuts I have no illusions about using my guns to kill This isn't the sdth.txt thread. It is fun though to watch people make stuff up to try to be a part of the discussion.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:25
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Who What Now posted:Hey, do you have anything to say about this: Yeah, I stand corrected. Sedanchair provided an example from 50 years ago of a single member of a 3+ million member organization that committed murder. Clearly NRA members are the real criminals.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:27
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No he's their general counsel right now. Like, he is their guy.Butch Cassidy posted:You keep your guns offsite because statistics scare you or because you don't trust yourself or your housemates? Because the former is weird. It's weird, they think they're going to snap and decide to kill their kids or something. I'm worried about either the mental health or critical thinking skills of a person who can't tell the difference between themselves and people prone to violence.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:27
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Who What Now posted:You would never be receptive of the argument. Nothing is more important to you than gun ownership. All the facts and logic in the world won't change that, so what's the point in even trying? Better to just point and laugh at the psychopaths that love objects more than innocent life.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:28
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stealie72 posted:Good news for you then, if we go for beers in my state, it's illegal to carry in a bar, so there will be no idiots with guns. I'll even pick up the first round.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:29
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Who What Now posted:I own and shoot guns regularly. However, unlike you gun nuts I have no illusions about using my guns to kill And just because you don't believe it doesn't matter. The 2nd Amendment was created to protect against tyranny. It's good that you don't have illusions abut fighting tyranny, that means our society is doing pretty good at the moment.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:32
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Gun laws usually stop criminals, you're right. That why we need more of them. Its just common sense. Only the NRA is standing in the way of making it illegal to kill people.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:46
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NathanScottPhillips posted:I showed on the last page that owning a car increases your chance of dying on the way to work by 1000x. Why the second amendment was written doesn't matter. It has no place in today's society and should be abolished. SedanChair posted:No he's their general counsel right now. Like, he is their guy. Yes, because accidents aren't a thing that happens. Oh, and mistaking your own spouse or children for an intruder and gunning them down in cold blood. Yeah, that's totally a thing that has literally never happened in all of human history. You got it. Great job!
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Jan 24, 2016 20:51
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stealie72 posted:That why we need more of them. Its just common sense. Only the NRA is standing in the way of making it illegal to kill people. Why more of them? What's going to be different? Is it going to be double illegal to kill someone? Is there a class of criminal that will be willing to kill someone under the current laws, but if it's double illegal, they won't?
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Jan 24, 2016 20:52
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Who What Now posted:Why the second amendment was written doesn't matter. It has no place in today's society and should be abolished. Thank God you're not in charge, and built to stay that way
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Jan 24, 2016 20:54
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Who What Now posted:Yes, because accidents aren't a thing that happens. Oh, and mistaking your own spouse or children for an intruder and gunning them down in cold blood. Yeah, that's totally a thing that has literally never happened in all of human history. You got it. Great job! How do those accidents realistically happen with firearms kept secured and unloaded by an owner uninterested in using them for self defense?
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Jan 24, 2016 20:58
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Who What Now posted:Yes, because accidents aren't a thing that happens. Oh, and mistaking your own spouse or children for an intruder and gunning them down in cold blood. Yeah, that's totally a thing that has literally never happened in all of human history. You got it. Great job! Do you really have such a low opinion of yourself? How the hell can you trust yourself to transport people in an automobile, or mow your lawn?
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Jan 24, 2016 21:01
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Pauline Kael posted:Why more of them? What's going to be different? Is it going to be double illegal to kill someone? Is there a class of criminal that will be willing to kill someone under the current laws, but if it's double illegal, they won't? If it was illegal to murder people then there wouldn't be any murders. Why won't the NRA listen to mayors demanding common sense from moms and stop telling their puppets in Congress to keep murder legal.
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Jan 24, 2016 21:01
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Butch Cassidy posted:How do those accidents realistically happen with firearms kept secured and unloaded by an owner uninterested in using them for self defense? Good question. Ask the ones with the kids who were shot by the guns the owned.
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SedanChair posted:Do you really have such a low opinion of yourself? How the hell can you trust yourself to transport people in an automobile, or mow your lawn? Can you tell me how my life is improved by keeping my guns in my house?
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