- BBJoey
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Forgive me (and probably others) for just deciding to tuning out of the whole issue is easier than than the risk of being painted as a racist.
If you're just tuning out entirely, why did you comment that the speech was lacking in consensus-building?
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May 24, 2024 04:47
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- open24hours
- Jan 7, 2001
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So who's going to get knighted tomorrow?
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Jan 25, 2016 00:30
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- I would blow Dane Cook
- Dec 26, 2008
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So who's going to get knighted tomorrow?
Sir Queen Elizabeth
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Jan 25, 2016 00:33
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- Au Revoir Shosanna
- Feb 17, 2011
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i support this government and/or service
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Run for PM, Tony! Show some ambition you vacuous little weirdling.
I'd vote for you.
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Jan 25, 2016 00:43
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- Laserface
- Dec 24, 2004
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At work and am sharing an office with an ex labor member. He just said something about federal labor that will make people in here cheer?
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Jan 25, 2016 00:48
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- open24hours
- Jan 7, 2001
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Well what was it?
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Jan 25, 2016 00:51
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- Laserface
- Dec 24, 2004
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Albomania
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Jan 25, 2016 00:53
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- open24hours
- Jan 7, 2001
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Albo sucks.
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Jan 25, 2016 00:58
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- Doctor Spaceman
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"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
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hahaha, which he had no qualms about throwing under a bus as soon as Alan Jones didn't like what it was doing.
I love that he clearly looked to find local electorate stuff he'd done, and that was the best he could come up with.
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Jan 25, 2016 00:58
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- Au Revoir Shosanna
- Feb 17, 2011
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i support this government and/or service
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Albomania is a lie. All aboard the Pilbs Parade!
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Jan 25, 2016 01:02
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- open24hours
- Jan 7, 2001
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More like Plibersuck.
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Jan 25, 2016 01:03
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- I would blow Dane Cook
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Plibercuck
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Jan 25, 2016 01:22
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- Birb Katter
- Sep 18, 2010
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BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE
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Apparently no.
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Jan 25, 2016 01:23
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- I would blow Dane Cook
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The 11th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey is out:
http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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Jan 25, 2016 01:45
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- Graic Gabtar
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If you're just tuning out entirely, why did you comment that the speech was lacking in consensus-building?
Although I have no seat at the table it doesn't mean I wouldn't want to watch these videos. More people should watch if only to recognise that the contributing factors of this issue are not the ones formed by their own prejudice.
However, I have nothing to bring to the discussion that those involved (or observing) would want to hear so others can run with it. They can let me know when their making headway and I'll be happy with that.
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Jan 25, 2016 01:49
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- SadisTech
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Clem.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/25/sneered-at-patronised-and-condemned-abbott-battles-on-and-thats-a-good-thing
quote:All politicians in the deepest valley harbour a belief that, since politics is such a volatile and unpredictable profession, they can always return to the highest mountain. After all, history is littered with examples of great political comebacks: Menzies, Churchill, de Gaulle, Nixon, Wilson, Howard, Rudd and, of course, Turnbull.
You might think this eternal optimism accounts for Tony Abbott’s decision to re-contest his Sydney seat of Warringah at the next election. Or you might think the former prime minister is staying in parliament because he just can’t get a job doing anything else.
But you’d be wrong. For Abbott, politics is a vocation, not a springboard for eternal political leadership or financial rapaciousness. It is his way of giving something back to the country. Yes, as he knows from first-hand experience, politics is a dispiriting business. But he also believes, as John Howard once said, it is among the highest and noblest forms of public service.
Indeed, Abbott’s commitment to public service for more than two decades has been exemplary: humble backbencher, junior minister, senior minister, leader of the opposition, prime minister, not to mention his volunteer work as a surf life-saver, fire-fighter and community worker in remote Indigenous communities. Abbott is one of those increasingly rare politicians to have followed a vocation rather than simply to have sought a way of living off the taxpayer.
As unfashionable as it is to say so, there are very few people in public life with finer personal qualities than Abbott. During much of his six years as Liberal leader from 2009 to 2015, he was reviled, humiliated, plotted against and finally betrayed by his own colleagues. Everybody would have understood if he had quit politics at the weekend.
Since he lost the Liberal leadership in September, Abbott has made a few bitter criticisms of his colleagues, but no more than Malcolm Turnbull after he lost his party’s leadership in the summer of 2009-10 and far less than Kevin Rudd after his knifing in the winter of 2010. Abbott has not taken the usual failed politician’s route and enriched himself as a lobbyist or company director. Nor is he likely to write a self-indulgent memoir that seems virtually obligatory for most former politicians.
I should make it clear here that, although we’ve known each other reasonably well for the past two decades, I carry no brief for Abbott. We have had some deep disagreements, most notably over Iraq and Russia. And I readily concede he made a series of mistakes during his brief tenure.
For whatever reason, he never looked comfortable in high office or managed to strike the right note. He broke some crucial promises over the GP co-payment and university funding changes. The whole Sir Prince Philip thing a year ago was just bizarre. And his scrupulous loyalty to his treasurer Joe Hockey and chief of staff Peta Credlin, according to many senior Liberals, led to his downfall.
But Abbott was not nearly as bad a prime minister as people say. From the outset, he was dealt a severe handicap: an uncooperative and reform-averse Senate. He was courageous and right to support a tough stance on border protection, which helped boost public confidence in an orderly, large-scale legal immigration policy. Abbott also stuck to other commitments that resonate with the electorate, most notably the repeal of the widely unpopular carbon tax, which stands the test of time given the failure of the UN to reach a legally binding, enforceable and verifiable deal at Paris last month.
Furthermore, he is a far better prime minister than his two predecessors. I know this claim flies in the face of conventional wisdom among the Canberra smart set: that Kevin Rudd was far more popular with the Australian people and Julia Gillard possessed political skills and arts that eluded Abbott. But although Rudd was in the political stratosphere in 2008-09 and Gillard did win over those independents to form a minority government in 2010, their undoubted gifts were superficial and laden with deceit. Ultimately, Rudd and Gillard bled authority as if from an open wound and undermined public confidence in our democracy – and bequeathed deficits as far as the eye can see.
So what now? Abbott has been written off before, only to come charging back. Sneered at, patronised, condemned, he has battled on. Abbott, at 58, is relatively young and exceedingly fit, he is highly experienced, a man of enormous talent and a magnificent parliamentary performer and an adept and compelling politician.
It is still hard to tell whether Malcolm Turnbull will make a good prime minister and Liberal party leader. We do know quite a lot about what he stands for – his foreign-policy speech at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies last week was sound in style and substance – but we don’t know what he is like under fire, or how good he might be at making decisions and seeing that they are properly executed.
But we do know that Abbott has a set of ideas and instincts that mark him out distinctively from Turnbull and that he clearly resonates with the Liberal party faithful and ordinary, more conservative Australians in a way his successor never will. Should Turnbull fall, who knows what might happen? Perhaps Abbott should let it be known, publicly rather than privately, that he would be willing to be called upon to serve as a senior minister after this year’s election.
I just... I... bold the whole thing I guess
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Jan 25, 2016 02:25
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- open24hours
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I don't really disagree that Abbott is (was) a good politician, to stay prime minister for even half a term while being that hopeless takes a considerable amount of political skill. He is, however, a complete fuckwit. For all his faults people seemed to like Rudd, and while Gillard wasn't so well liked she wasn't loathed in the way Abbott was (is) either. Turnbull would be insane to do anything other than ignore him and make sure he's kept on the backest of the back benches.
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Jan 25, 2016 02:30
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- Au Revoir Shosanna
- Feb 17, 2011
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i support this government and/or service
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quote:
He was courageous and right to support a tough stance on border protection
suck a gently caress you fucksucker
labelling the institutionalised torture of refugees 'courageous' is a bridge too loving far
Au Revoir Shosanna fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jan 25, 2016
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Jan 25, 2016 02:48
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- Starshark
- Dec 22, 2005
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Doctor Rope
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Why is Switzer writing for the Guardian?
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- Nautilus42
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Unrelated sea creature
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quote:
All but one of Australia's state premiers and chief ministers have signed a declaration calling for an Australian head of state, in a move the Australian Republican Movement says points to "the dawn of a new republican age".
Key points:
WA's Colin Barnett only state leader not to sign declaration
Petition supporting move signed by 4,000 people
Peter FitzSimons says referendum or plebiscite needed
Monarchist League says move based on "will of politicians"
WA's Colin Barnett was the only state leader not to lend his name to the statement, which declares: "We, the undersigned premiers and chief ministers of Australia, believe that Australians should have an Australian as our head of state."
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, himself a staunch republican, has released a statement through his office saying his "commitment to Australia having an Australian as head of state is undiminished".
Mr Turnbull has previously said that a fresh referendum would be unlikely before the end of the Queen's reign.
Peter FitzSimons from the Australian Republican Movement said the declaration was timed for tomorrow's Australia Day, along with an online petition signed by nearly 4,000 people.
"It is time to get moving, and I must say I was thrilled by how enthusiastic the premiers were," FitzSimons said.
"All of Australia's political leaders now support an Australian head of state, including [Prime Minister] Malcolm Turnbull and [Opposition Leader] Bill Shorten.
"Never before have the stars of the Southern Cross been so aligned in pointing to the dawn of a new republican age for Australia."
South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill said he believed there was public support for becoming a republic, a move that would be "an important assertion of our national identity".
"I think there was strong support for a republic in 1999, it's just that some clever politicians managed to manoeuvre the situation into a defeat for the republican cause," he told AM.
"I think there is an underlying sense of support for a republic, always has been and it is just a question of rekindling that."
In a statement Mr Barnett said he actively campaigned for a republic ahead of the 1999 referendum and accepted the result "as a democratic expression of the public will".
"While I believe and hope that Australia will choose to become a republic in my lifetime, I do not think that the time is right, or that sufficient time has past since the referendum, to be again prosecuting the argument for constitutional change," he said.
Let's, while the Queen of England is young enough to come to Australia, not bow and curtsy but rise in a standing ovation and say, 'Thank you, your Majesty, for the sterling service you've given our nation'.
Peter FitzSimons
In a statement the Australian Monarchist League's national chair Philip Benwell said the current constitution was "based on the Crown which always represents the people".
"This petition is calling for a republic which will be based on the will of politicians, which is evidenced by so many premiers and politicians supporting it," he said.
Mr Benwell also disputed the claim there was not an Australian head of state, saying "it is quite clear" the Queen is sovereign head of state and the Governor-General is executive head of state.
Republic would be 'ultimate act of respect to Queen'
With political leaders backing a republic, FitzSimons called for another referendum or plebiscite on the issue.
"It's got to be a movement of the people and that is happening — we have quadrupled our numbers," he said.
"There's a euphoria there."
I've seen petitions recently like keeping kebab shops open past midnight which have garnered 25,000 signatures in just a few days
Australian Monarchist League spokeswoman Gabrielle Hendry
FitzSimons urged republicans not to hold off on pushing for constitutional change until after the Queen dies.
"Let's, while the Queen of England is young enough to come to Australia, not bow and curtsy but rise in a standing ovation and say, 'Thank you, your Majesty, for the sterling service you've given our nation'.
"She will give us the key, we'll take it for a spin around the block and we'll be on our way."
Mr Weatherill said it would be the "ultimate act of respect to Queen Elizabeth II if she presided over the transfer of Australia from a monarchy to a republic".
Spokeswoman Gabrielle Hendry said the republic push did not reflect the view of a majority of Australians.
"Unfortunately it's only got 4,000 signatures — there are some 16 million eligible voters in Australia," she said.
"Furthermore, I've seen petitions recently like keeping kebab shops open past midnight which have garnered 25,000 signatures in just a few days."
Source: ABC
I figure it might be far enough to election time to bring this up to a referendum if there's enough support.
Considering there will probably be the plebiscite for Same Sex Marriage simultaneously, posing the question would be opportune I think.
Added bonus is that it would drive tony and his cronies up a wall
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Jan 25, 2016 02:56
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- Halo14
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quote:Tom Switzer (born 1971 in Dallas, Texas, USA[1]) is an Australian conservative columnist and foreign policy analyst
quote:Career
He is a former editor of The Spectator Australia (2009-2014), opinion editor for The Australian (2001-2008), an editorial writer at the Australian Financial Review (1998-2001) and assistant editor at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, DC (1995-1998). In recent years, Switzer has also been a regular commentator for Sky News television, Fairfax Media and Quadrant magazine.
In 2008 he was senior adviser to former federal Liberal Party Leader Brendan Nelson until the leadership vote that saw Malcolm Turnbull take over in the top job.[4] During his time in the Opposition Leader's office, he provoked controversy for his role in toughening up Coalition opposition to then-prime minister Kevin Rudd’s emissions trading scheme.[4] In 2009, he was a candidate to replace Brendan Nelson in his northern Sydney electoral seat of Bradfield.
Switzer's analysis of Australian politics has been picked up by the international media, including The Wall Street Journal in opinion articles such as Howard’s End,[4] Defenstration Down Under,[5] and The Triumph of Tony Abbott [6]
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Jan 25, 2016 02:59
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- Amethyst
- Mar 28, 2004
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I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai
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https://twitter.com/BobBrownFndn/status/691424340395462656
quote:Bob Brown has just been arrested at Lapoinya in NW Tas, site of community protests over logging. Being taken to Burnie Police stn.
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Jan 25, 2016 03:18
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lol
http://www.theage.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/clive-palmer-and-the-nickel-refinery-collapse-that-wasnt-20160124-gmd5v3.html
Clive Palmer could walk away from the administration linked to his Queensland Nickel refinery without losing the assets and leave creditors out in the cold.
It has been widely observed that Mr Palmer's Queensland nickel refinery fell into the hands of administrators last week. But it did not.
Instead, a shell company with no material physical assets called Queensland Nickel Pty Ltd was put into voluntary administration, with FTI Consulting appointed to the job on Monday last week, shortly after 237 workers at the refinery services were laid off.
His Queensland Nickel business has been referred to widely as if it is one entity in the past week.
While Queensland Nickel Pty Ltd does employ all the workers, contracts suppliers, and owes millions to creditors, it does not actually own the assets.
Rather, Queensland Nickel Pty Ltd has an agreement to run the nickel refinery, called Yabulu, with QNI Metals and QNI Resources.
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- froglet
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You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.
You can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs. Vote Greens.
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lol
http://www.theage.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/clive-palmer-and-the-nickel-refinery-collapse-that-wasnt-20160124-gmd5v3.html
Clive Palmer could walk away from the administration linked to his Queensland Nickel refinery without losing the assets and leave creditors out in the cold.
It has been widely observed that Mr Palmer's Queensland nickel refinery fell into the hands of administrators last week. But it did not.
Instead, a shell company with no material physical assets called Queensland Nickel Pty Ltd was put into voluntary administration, with FTI Consulting appointed to the job on Monday last week, shortly after 237 workers at the refinery services were laid off.
His Queensland Nickel business has been referred to widely as if it is one entity in the past week.
While Queensland Nickel Pty Ltd does employ all the workers, contracts suppliers, and owes millions to creditors, it does not actually own the assets.
Rather, Queensland Nickel Pty Ltd has an agreement to run the nickel refinery, called Yabulu, with QNI Metals and QNI Resources.
Why do they allow this??
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Jan 25, 2016 04:41
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- open24hours
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Buyer beware. Creditors should have known what they were financing. Can't expect the government to protect people from their own stupid decisions.
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- Lid
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And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
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I've never seen that many comments on a Guardian Facebook post before. Pushing 200 in less than an hour.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-climate-fiasco
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Jan 25, 2016 05:14
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Buyer beware. Creditors should have known what they were financing. Can't expect the government to protect people from their own stupid decisions.
Presumably they looked at the company's balance sheet before extending them credit, unless they just assumed resources can only go up up up
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- asio
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"Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood
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In an unsurprising turn of events, the guy narrating the most recent UPF callout video can't pronounce the word "Jesuit".
Protip nerds, it's not pronounce "Jee- soot"
Noted Players in Australian Culture, the Society of Jesus?
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