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rabidsquid posted:In my experience I generally don't give a huge poo poo about a Stony Silence compared to Hurkyls Having played (mox-less)affinity against a junk mono-w build with main Stony Silences, I can say that it's pretty hilarious when they drop the silence and give you a poo poo eating grin before you beat them down with a high powered ornithopter before flinging it at the dome. "What silence?!"
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Man_alive posted:Having played (mox-less)affinity against a junk mono-w build with main Stony Silences, I can say that it's pretty hilarious when they drop the silence and give you a poo poo eating grin before you beat them down with a high powered ornithopter before flinging it at the dome. "What silence?!" Alternatively, tapping my mox in response for W, letting it resolve, playing Wear//Tear. Have had opponents concede on the spot.
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rabidsquid posted:Modern is a stupid format. Fixed for accuracy.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I guess it stops you from "drawing" Torrent Elemental/Misthollow Griffin. It also means your opponent doesn't get to see your whole decklist though. do they actually need to be face up to play from exile? VVVVVVV Danke Molybdenum fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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Jan 25, 2016 14:09
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Molybdenum posted:do they actually need to be face up to play from exile? Yes, because face down cards outside the battlefield don't have characteristics including the rule text "you may cast this card from exile."
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rabidsquid posted:I think slightly bad is a bit of an understatement. It's a "did I draw my sideboard card" match which are all loving stupid if you ask me
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Man_alive posted:Having played (mox-less)affinity against a junk mono-w build with main Stony Silences, I can say that it's pretty hilarious when they drop the silence and give you a poo poo eating grin before you beat them down with a high powered ornithopter before flinging it at the dome. "What silence?!" What was that 'Thopter empowered by? If it had plating already they should have known Silence doesn't get it done. Or was it Ensoul Artifact?
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Jan 25, 2016 15:47
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I'm pretty surprised that there was no Tron in that modern top 8... What i'm not surprised at is Painful Truths top 8'ing in Legacy again. The card is gas.
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mcmagic posted:I'm pretty surprised that there was no Tron in that modern top 8... What i'm not surprised at is Painful Truths top 8'ing in Legacy again. The card is gas. hm.... smells like someone is losing a bet
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yeah proper posting incoming. i didn't realize this card was so good, i mean it top 8'd a classic that was won by best deck in the format goblins even!! e: srs as a said in the other thread it seems like it found a spot as a roleplayer but i wouldn't start with it the 75 of a random deck that could cast it until testing showed it was necessary, def never making my 60 black potus fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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black potus posted:yeah proper posting incoming. i didn't realize this card was so good, i mean it top 8'd a classic that was won by best deck in the format goblins even!! Whats the count on this now? gwrtheyrn posted:UW gets stony silence / kataki if they want it, but I don't know if that really helps enough. Really most merfolk decks could probably get away with splashing kataki with 4 wanderwine + vials if they really wanted Kataki is a lot worse against affinity post-Origins considering they have a sideboard option to kill small guys that also helps mitigate stony silence. Zoness fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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Jan 25, 2016 17:01
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3/5 i think
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black potus posted:3/5 i think Didn't it need to be a 100 person tournament at minimum? Either way I have a hard time counting a 1-of in the sideboard.
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mcmagic posted:I'm pretty surprised that there was no Tron in that modern top 8... What i'm not surprised at is Painful Truths top 8'ing in Legacy again. The card is gas. I'm not at all surprised by the former. Tron is fantastically simple to hate out compared to Twin and people putting the same amount of sideboard space they used for Twin against Tron is just going to crush constantly until people forget about it and dedicate space to our new Affinity and Merfolk overlords. The entire history of GR Tron has been upswings followed by being banished to the land of wind and ghosts by sideboards until people forget (so i guess it's the dredge of modern), the only difference is everybody assumed the upswing was going to happen before it actually did this time.
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Jan 25, 2016 18:26
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Except at my FNM, where I was even able to beat our local molten vortex life from the loam 4x ghost quarter in the main burn deck for the first time ever thanks to moving to two forests (and using a pair of Warping Wails to ramp out a Wurmcoil with assorted nonsense lands after getting double GQed) it was fun, even if that was a very silly use case for warping wail and i didn't get to test it for what it is primarily used to do
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TheKingofSprings posted:Legacy Weapon should be in this format so the Eldrazi could actually have been destroyed for good by rainbow lasers Isn't the legacy weapon still build into Karn or something, somehow? JerryLee posted:Why would they need to make a new one, let alone an even better one? Since rare/mythic reprints in expansion sets (with the same art, even!) are now kosher in this post-core-set world, why not just reprint Karn Liberated whenever Karn shows back up? Ordinarily the answer to that question would be "because they want to move packs with something new and exciting," but given how high the demand for KL already is, you'd think their marketing department would prefer reprinting a sure thing to trying to roll the dice on making a new Karn. Modern Masters III is probably the only hope for a Liliana of the Veil reprint any time in the foreseeable future.
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UberJew posted:I'm not at all surprised by the former. Tron is fantastically simple to hate out compared to Twin and people putting the same amount of sideboard space they used for Twin against Tron is just going to crush constantly until people forget about it and dedicate space to our new Affinity and Merfolk overlords. The entire history of GR Tron has been upswings followed by being banished to the land of wind and ghosts by sideboards until people forget (so i guess it's the dredge of modern), the only difference is everybody assumed the upswing was going to happen before it actually did this time. I find Tron to be extremely resilient against most of the hate that people play. Affinity is a rough matchup but Merfolk is like 80% in your favor.
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Yea. Main decking a ghost quarter or two has helped me both slow down greedy mana bases, and quarter my own poo poo in response to land death. The cool thing is now I can take out my spellskites and try out thought-knot seers because twin is gone. Stony silence is ok hate I guess, but it's not as good as people think it is and blood moon is a dead draw against me as far as I'm concerned.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Yea. Main decking a ghost quarter or two has helped me both slow down greedy mana bases, and quarter my own poo poo in response to land death. The cool thing is now I can take out my spellskites and try out thought-knot seers because twin is gone. Stony silence is ok hate I guess, but it's not as good as people think it is and blood moon is a dead draw against me as far as I'm concerned. Ghost Quartering your own Urza land in resp to a Crumble to Dust is a total thing.
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mcmagic posted:I find Tron to be extremely resilient against most of the hate that people play. Affinity is a rough matchup but Merfolk is like 80% in your favor. Merfolk is a hugely favored matchup, yeah. I didn't mean to imply those matchups are specifically the bad ones for Tron, just that when the entire field overreacted to Tron I wasn't surprised it was those decks (where the sideboard answers have absolutely no overlap with sideboard answers to Tron, both of which are also happy to have Twin out of the picture) that rose to the top. mcmagic posted:Ghost Quartering your own Urza land in resp to a Crumble to Dust is a total thing. Yeah, every G/R Tron deck has maindecked at least 1 Ghost Quarter (and I'm back to 1 from 2 to make room for a second forest, as I didn't want to cut a Grove and lose a red source for pyroclasm in the current environment) largely for this (against Sowing Salt, before Crumble) for ages. I'm honestly more worried about a Ghost Quarter + Extirpate effect than a Crumble to Dust in most situations (and the upswing in Ghost Quarters is why I added a second basic) atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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My biggest worry for Merfolk is now that Twin is gone, RG Tron and Affinity get to run rampant, both of which are horrible matchups for Merfolk. Hurkyl's doesn't do enough, and I can't think of anything that blows RG Tron out of the water that a mono blue deck can sideboard in. Steel Sabotage only stops O Stone and Wurmcoil, Karn is still an issue, ditto for Ugin. And now there's an instant speed Pyroclasm running around that can even wipe the board when you have multiple lords when they drop an Eldrazi Titan.
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Count Bleck posted:My biggest worry for Merfolk is now that Twin is gone, RG Tron and Affinity get to run rampant, both of which are horrible matchups for Merfolk. FWIW I don't think Kozilek's Return is good in GR Tron, especially vs Merfolk. 2 damage to each creature isn't going to do much, especially on t3. You need hard removal vs them. Ugin or O Stone.
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Count Bleck posted:Hurkyl's doesn't do enough, and I can't think of anything that blows RG Tron out of the water that a mono blue deck can sideboard in. Just play Back to Basics. 
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Count Bleck posted:My biggest worry for Merfolk is now that Twin is gone, RG Tron and Affinity get to run rampant, both of which are horrible matchups for Merfolk. In my matches with the merfolk player at my LGS, I've found that the first Hurkyl's may or may not be enough, but the second one often is. With respect to Kozilek's Return, if RG Tron is casting Ulamog or Emrakul, you have other things to worry about.
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Kozilek's Return is way, way worse than Pyroclasm against Merfolk. You'll usually kill something, and sometimes even two somethings if you can drop it on turn 2. On turn 3 they're so much more likely to have a second lord/cursecatcher/spell pierce available. That's in addition to my general beef with Kozilek's Return that you can't cast it on curve with a finisher or o-stone like you can with Pyroclasm
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UberJew posted:Kozilek's Return is way, way worse than Pyroclasm against Merfolk. You'll usually kill something, and sometimes even two somethings if you can drop it on turn 2. On turn 3 they're so much more likely to have a second lord/cursecatcher/spell pierce available. You have to get it's "flashback" in order for it to be good and that is hard to do before dying since you'd need to cast in first on T3 with a red and then have tron soon after to cast a fatty before you die. World Breaker is the card you have to be playing in Tron from OGW.
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suicidesteve posted:Just play Back to Basics. Print it into modern and it'll go straight into my deck. Kind of hoses yourself against choke and boil but who cares
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mcmagic posted:You have to get it's "flashback" in order for it to be good and that is hard to do before dying since you'd need to cast in first on T3 with a red and then have tron soon after to cast a fatty before you die. World Breaker is the card you have to be playing in Tron from OGW. I can't see a place to cut anything for World Breaker. I don't want it over newlamog or wurmcoil, nor do I think I can justify cutting spellskite.
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UberJew posted:I can't see a place to cut anything for World Breaker. I don't want it over newlamog or wurmcoil, nor do I think I can justify cutting spellskite. My current build moved 1x Ugin to the board with 1x in the Main and cut the Emrakul for 2x World Breakers main. It's that good.
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What does merfolk side in against skred red? There's a handful at my LGS and that match up is horrible.
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mcmagic posted:My current build moved 1x Ugin to the board with 1x in the Main and cut the Emrakul for 2x World Breakers main. It's that good. I already cut Emrakul for a second newlamog (and it has proven a very good move), so I could at best fit in the one. I happen to have one that I opened, so I'll give it a shot. What does it end up doing for you, over the other finishers?
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Salvor_Hardin posted:What does merfolk side in against skred red? There's a handful at my LGS and that match up is horrible. Um, bring in an additional kira if they have one in the board, some amount of counter magic, probably a mix of unified will/negate/dispel in trade for harbinger/phantasmal images, and then just go to town. Honestly it should be a pretty even matchup all in all., especially since merfolk has Master of Waves as a good trump card. If you fear artifact removal, you might want to cut Aether Vial, but honestly, getting in underneath skred seems important, so Id probably still run it.
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UberJew posted:I already cut Emrakul for a second newlamog (and it has proven a very good move), so I could at best fit in the one. I happen to have one that I opened, so I'll give it a shot. What does it end up doing for you, over the other finishers? It's a game winner against the mirror and the Bx Eldrazi deck for 3 less mana than Newlomog. It blocks everything in the format. A lot of times it's just Karn's 5 and 6. You're also going to play against a lot of decks that want to Blood Moon you early but don't have a quick clock and it those cases, hard casting it off 7 lands and a egg just wins you the game. This is main deck blood moon hate that can't be countered. The card is insane.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:What does merfolk side in against skred red? There's a handful at my LGS and that match up is horrible. Kira, Spellskite, and countermagic. If you run pithing needles you could play one and name koth or sheets maybe? Not sure if you want to be playing a long game though. Madmarker posted:Um, bring in an additional kira if they have one in the board, some amount of counter magic, probably a mix of unified will/negate/dispel in trade for harbinger/phantasmal images, and then just go to town. Honestly it should be a pretty even matchup all in all., especially since merfolk has Master of Waves as a good trump card. Aether Vial flashing in little munchkin fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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little munchkin posted:Kira, Spellskite, and countermagic. If you run pithing needles you could play one and name koth maybe? Not sure if you want to be playing a long game though. Flashing in Kira does nothing in response. Kira Triggers on the first spell, if kira isn't already out when that spell is cast, that doesn't happen. Your point still stands for spellskite though.
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mcmagic posted:You have to get it's "flashback" in order for it to be good and that is hard to do before dying since you'd need to cast in first on T3 with a red and then have tron soon after to cast a fatty before you die. World Breaker is the card you have to be playing in Tron from OGW. mcmagic posted:It's a game winner against the mirror and the Bx Eldrazi deck for 3 less mana than Newlomog. It blocks everything in the format. A lot of times it's just Karn's 5 and 6. You're also going to play against a lot of decks that want to Blood Moon you early but don't have a quick clock and it those cases, hard casting it off 7 lands and a egg just wins you the game. This is main deck blood moon hate that can't be countered. The card is insane. Whats your list? Looks like I need to test it before regionals.
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This is what I have now but it's going to change before regionals. 4x Karn 2x Ulamog 3x Wurmcoil Engine 2x World Breaker 2x Spellskite 1x Ugin 4x Ancient Stirrings 4x Expedation Map 4x Star 4x Sphere 4x Sylvan Scrying 3x Oblivion Stone 3x Pyroclasm 4x Tower 4x Mine 4x Power Plant 4x Grove 1x Forest 2x Ghost Quarter 1x Eye of Ugin SB 2x Crumble to Dust 1x Ugin 2x Thragtusk 3x Nature's Claim 2x Crucible of Worlds 3x Pithing Needle 1x Vandalblast 1x Relic
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I'm looking to get back into casually playing Magic with my brother, right now we're I think using a couple duel decks IIRC, I was wondering if the most current event deck has enough value to it that it warrants buying. I know they were highly valued at least before, and with a quick glance I like the theme of it. I would appreciate knowing what you guys think as I'll likely purchase it after dinner if I don't hear anything bad about it.
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Stik3 posted:I'm looking to get back into casually playing Magic with my brother, right now we're I think using a couple duel decks IIRC, I was wondering if the most current event deck has enough value to it that it warrants buying. I know they were highly valued at least before, and with a quick glance I like the theme of it. I would appreciate knowing what you guys think as I'll likely purchase it after dinner if I don't hear anything bad about it. If you're just playing causing they should definitely provide a good amount of value.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:How many Affinity matchups are not this Actual none. The deck is favored in every t1 match up I am pretty sure? It's been rocking a 53%+ winrate since pod has been banned at the very least. That's when I started playing it and wasn't paying attention prior.
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