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Taking a long arc away from Gon would be good, as it would give him time to think about what the hell he did wrong. Of course, that is only if the manga continues (lol).
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I'm fine with Gon getting benched for the Dark Continent arc, but I'd also be fine with him never using Nen again and having to resort to other methods - which probably won't happen.
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I expect Gon to go to Wing to get his Nen back the normal way. Him and the Eyebrows kid do tournament stuff and eventually Gon goes to the floor master tournament.
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Kild posted:I expect Gon to go to Wing to get his Nen back the normal way. Him and the Eyebrows kid do tournament stuff and eventually Gon goes to the floor master tournament. Ging was quick to point out to Gon that after what happened and being returned to normal, wanting more is asking for trouble and could result in bad poo poo. Anyway I doubt Gon will have anything to do with the Dark Continent. This is going to be Leorio and Kurapika's arc. Killua is traveling with Alluka so nothing will likely happen with them ether for a while.
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Jan 25, 2016 10:39
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they should make a meta anime about a bunch of 30 year old manchildren living vicariously through super powered kids shows
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Jan 25, 2016 12:20
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generally you only live vicariously through fictional characters that have pleasant experiences. nothing good ever happens to anyone in this manga.
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Just started watching this on netflix. Only a few episodes in (they just got to the wetlands part of the exam) but it's really fun and I can definitely see myself binging on this show.
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Serious Frolicking posted:generally you only live vicariously through fictional characters that have pleasant experiences. nothing good ever happens to anyone in this manga. Gon met his dad again, the goal he had during the entire manga! ...Sure, said dad is a dick, and he went through several terrible experiences to get there including turning himself into a berserk super mode of himself and then nearly dying and losing his powers forever, but hey, he met his dad!
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Jan 25, 2016 17:41
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He didn't have the powers before he left, at least; going from where he started to where he ended, he still had a net gain (friends, experiences, he's still technically a Hunter with all the benefits that affords, etc.), even if he both gained and lost a lot more over the course of the series.
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Asuron posted:Nope just Emission and Manipulation are required. Think of something like Goreinus gorillas or Razors devils and you get a pretty good idea of what decent emitters who don't just focus on making projectile attacks can actually do. Ah, you misinterpreted my statement; I meant that something you make using conjuration would require emission for it to be used separate from your body, not that emission requires conjuration to be used away from your body (which doesn't really make much sense in the first place). Alder posted:I might go out on a limb but I'm confident older Gon would be a lot more mature/wiser due to his circumstances. I hope someday we get a follow-up on teen and/or adult Gon and Killua's lives. Eventually. I want to know what an adult Killua would look like, because I can't really imagine him as an adult without getting a really bizarre mental image.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Kastro was very impressive. He lost to Hisoka largely because he kept falling for Hisoka's mind games. He even had a very large advantage during the fight after he took off both of his Hisoka's hands but kept falling for Hisoka's tricks preventing him from capitalizing on it. While Kastro would have found mastering techniques in areas he's more suited to easier and likely would have developed better techniques as a result, his main failing was just his obsession with beating Hisoka. Even going all in on Enhancer only techniques, he probably would have gotten mindfucked by Hisoka and ultimately lost. Not just because he was fighting Hisoka, but because he was in a poo poo state of mind for a magic fight tournament to the death. To use an MMA example, Connor McGregor talks wonderful, voluminous, spectacular poo poo in the lead up to his fights. Which gets the other guy angry and throws off their game because they want to put him in his place so they end up making different decisions than they would normally. In the case of Kastro, Hisoka was all up in his head. To the point where Kastro used his talents to come up with an ability specifically to fight Hisoka that did not play to his strengths. The only was Kastro would have had a chance against Hisoka is by not dwelling on his loss to Hisoka and instead focusing on his deficiencies that lead to his loss. Since he didn't, there was really no way Kastro was going to win because he was obsessed with proving he was definitively better than Hisoka. MonsterEnvy posted:Ging was quick to point out to Gon that after what happened and being returned to normal, wanting more is asking for trouble and could result in bad poo poo. I like the warning that bad things could happen if Gon were to try and get his Nen back. As opposed to all the good things that happened the first time he got his Nen.
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Kingtheninja posted:Just started watching this on netflix. Only a few episodes in (they just got to the wetlands part of the exam) but it's really fun and I can definitely see myself binging on this show. Just as a heads-up, Netflix only has the first ~100 episodes and cuts off in the middle of the biggest story arc, so you'll have to find a different service to finish the series.
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Jan 25, 2016 21:17
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The whole series is up on Crunchyroll.
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So on the topic of mastering out-of-school abilities, has the manga ever gone into detail about what would happen in the water/leaf test if someone cross-trained extremely diligently, a la Kastro? Would his aura still reveal the Enhancer's "increase in volume" or would it begin to react, additionally, in additional ways from his growing proficiency at forcing it out of different midichlorians or whatever HxH calls them? That's the one counterargument, I think, to the "not numerical/not strict power limitations" thing, since it's pretty clearly some sort of physiological thing with clear and discrete categories. Kytrarewn fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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Kytrarewn posted:So on the topic of mastering out-of-school abilities, has the manga ever gone into detail about what would happen in the water/leaf test if someone cross-trained extremely diligently, a la Kastro? The test shows your natural affinity, no what you trained in, so Castro would definitely increased the volume of water. You would only get a different result, if your category changes, which can happen due to some major physical or mental trauma, or if you become a specialist. What I really like to know is how other tests work, since the water tests is specific to Netero's martial arts school- e X fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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Kastro's downfall is he didn't think like a conjurer/manipulator. So he didn't foresee the problems with his abilities.
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On his journey to meet his dad, Gon met a dude willing to punch the poo poo out of his dad for being an irredeemable shithead, a dude willing to put his life on the line for the sake of bringing him back from poo poo, I'd make them same journey just for the sake of meeting  Leorio 
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I've always been fond of the idea of Gon's nen manifesting in a different category as he regains it post-recovery. It would both reflect the irreversible change his transformation put him through, as well as probably give him a more interesting signature move than stand-around-charging-a-single-punch.
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I'm a fan of Gon never getting his nen back because otherwise there would be no consequence to what he did.
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Senor Candle posted:I'm a fan of Gon never getting his nen back because otherwise there would be no consequence to what he did. He's just carrying on his father's legacy
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Kild posted:He's just carrying on his father's legacy The consequence to Ging's actions is that everyone hates him.
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rodney mullenkamp posted:Just as a heads-up, Netflix only has the first ~100 episodes and cuts off in the middle of the biggest story arc, so you'll have to find a different service to finish the series. Didn't know this but I have a CR account so I'm good!
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Davinci posted:I've always been fond of the idea of Gon's nen manifesting in a different category as he regains it post-recovery. It would both reflect the irreversible change his transformation put him through, as well as probably give him a more interesting signature move than stand-around-charging-a-single-punch. Gon's new nen category is Transmuter, where he learns how to turn his aura into teflon in order to battle his greatest nemesis, Hisoka
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Senor Candle posted:I'm a fan of Gon never getting his nen back because otherwise there would be no consequence to what he did. The consequence was that he was going to die very painfully and there was nothing anyone could do about it. It just happened that his best friend has a sister who has a split personality with a genie. Having to get a wish from a genie that is held in the bowels of the super assassin compound and then go full Transporter with the genie to get it all the way to Gon is a pretty decent loophole that no Nen contract could possibly account for.
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The consequence of Gon's stupidity is that he really hosed up his relationship with Killua. Not irreparably, but they would only have a chance to patch things up if the manga continued. So, their story ended in a very bad place with no chance of it ever improving.
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tbh alluka's whole existence is pretty contrived and way too convenient for Gon. The only thing that saves it is that the arc Togashi built around it is pretty cool
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Serious Frolicking posted:The consequence of Gon's stupidity is that he really hosed up his relationship with Killua. Not irreparably, but they would only have a chance to patch things up if the manga continued. So, their story ended in a very bad place with no chance of it ever improving. Not sure if I agree with this idea because Bisky pretty much mentioned their current relationship is somewhat skewed since Gon was his very first friend ever. I figured it was a flag where they have to part ways to train and they have a better friendship on more equal terms. Just I didn't expect Alluka to show up and welp, I found my life's purpose. cya later gon. Law Cheetah posted:tbh alluka's whole existence is pretty contrived and way too convenient for Gon. The only thing that saves it is that the arc Togashi built around it is pretty cool Welp, not sure how I'd feel if Gon just stayed dead or in a coma for the rest of the series too that'd be a depressing ending.
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Alder posted:Welp, not sure how I'd feel if Gon just stayed dead or in a coma for the rest of the series too that'd be a depressing ending. As Gon lays dying, Ging finally comes to see him. As Gon is fading out for the last time, the last thing he hears is Ging explaining how he isn't actually his father. Just some guy Mito knew, and she's just been telling everyone he was the absentee father of her illegitimate child.
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Gyges posted:As Gon lays dying, Ging finally comes to see him. As Gon is fading out for the last time, the last thing he hears is Ging explaining how he isn't actually his father. Just some guy Mito knew, and she's just been telling everyone he was the absentee father of her illegitimate child. 
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Alluka could've been better introduced/hinted at beforehand but otherwise I don't have any particular problems with that plot thread. The story's world and characters are richer for its inclusion, and the resolution - despite being a bit handwavey - carries itself with a certain thematic dignity that rings true. Way too many people get hung up on the contrivance of it without considering what it brings to the table.
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It's just the kind of thing I could see people bitching about endlessly if it happened in a different series. I think people give HxH a pass on it because they already like it
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Law Cheetah posted:tbh alluka's whole existence is pretty contrived and way too convenient for Gon. The only thing that saves it is that the arc Togashi built around it is pretty cool Eh, the only part of it I really didn't like was the big reveal of the rules. "Actually, Killua, the emotionless master assassin who has been prophesied as being capable and likely to murder everybody, was nice to his sister as a kid and so he doesn't have to follow the rules and there's no need for equivalency". Considering the level of  that we all do in this thread, it would have been fascinating to know how many human souls had to be combusted in order to break an ironclad nen bond. It would have been a fascinating data point.I'd love to know why he just wound up saying "gently caress it".
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It is simple, really. Alluka wasn't using nen. Her powers dramatically exceeded what nen was capable of, but she also followed ritual behavior like strong nen abilities require so everyone just assumed it was nen. Instead, she was using some weird innate dark continent poo poo that was beyond human ken. She could break the rules because her power wasn't dependent on those rules. Basically, it was a preview of the dark continent arc.
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Kytrarewn posted:Eh, the only part of it I really didn't like was the big reveal of the rules. "Actually, Killua, the emotionless master assassin who has been prophesied as being capable and likely to murder everybody, was nice to his sister as a kid and so he doesn't have to follow the rules and there's no need for equivalency". Considering the level of We saw that Killua wasn't a complete rear end in a top hat from the start though. He makes friends with Gon, helps the others out, and then we learn about some of his earlier backstory with Canary when Gon, Leorio, and Kurapika come to ask if Killua can come out and play. His whole thing is trying to reconcile his humanity and his hosed up upbringing.
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Kytrarewn posted:Eh, the only part of it I really didn't like was the big reveal of the rules. "Actually, Killua, the emotionless master assassin who has been prophesied as being capable and likely to murder everybody, was nice to his sister as a kid and so he doesn't have to follow the rules and there's no need for equivalency". Considering the level of Selfish wishes cost you; selfless wishes don't, or at least don't cost very much. Killua's just the only person who figured it out, everyone else in his (and Alluka's) life being fairly poisonous and self-serving. Appropriately, Killua's also the only person who treats Alluka like an actual human being and not some "Thing" to be feared, appeased, or used. One of the reasons wishes and wish-granting remains a popular plot device in fiction is because of what wishes can teach us about the characters who make them.
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Bad Seafood posted:Appropriately, Killua's also the only person who treats Alluka like an actual human being and not some "Thing" to be feared, appeased, or used. Killua seems to be the only one to really differentiate between Alluka and Nanika, who he also treats fairly horribly but not nearly as badly as everyone else. Then he realizes Nanika is his sister too and they decide to go see the world.
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Alluka's entire existence is a pretty big retcon, but since she ended up being her own character instead of just a plot device, I can mostly let it slide. Killua's backstory makes a bit less sense now because of it, but I don't think it matters that much. His character is more about his development now, and not really about his past.Serious Frolicking posted:The consequence of Gon's stupidity is that he really hosed up his relationship with Killua. Not irreparably, but they would only have a chance to patch things up if the manga continued. So, their story ended in a very bad place with no chance of it ever improving. I thought by the end they had already made up. They're going their separate ways now because Gon had a single goal that he accomplished, and Killua wants to do some soul-searching of his own.
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Momomo posted:Alluka's entire existence is a pretty big retcon, but since she ended up being her own character instead of just a plot device, I can mostly let it slide. Killua's backstory makes a bit less sense now because of it, but I don't think it matters that much. His character is more about his development now, and not really about his past. The panel where they say goodbye kind've hints otherwise. They shake hands looking all happy, but then they turn away and you see their faces look sad/somber. I think the point of that was to show that while they seem happy around one another, Gon's still plagued by guilt over what he did to himself and Killua, while Killua is still upset over how Gon acted towards him even if he has forgiven him a little bit. It could've even be an act so Killua wouldn't upset Alluka. That's just the take I got on the scene, because even the goodbye was weird. They just kinda say it and walk off and it's not natural like their conversations usually are. Hell, Killua would've normally asked Gon to go with him for something like that.
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Momomo posted:Alluka's entire existence is a pretty big retcon, but since she ended up being her own character instead of just a plot device, I can mostly let it slide. Killua's backstory makes a bit less sense now because of it, but I don't think it matters that much. His character is more about his development now, and not really about his past. I think any weird discrepancies or plot holes Alluka existing in Killua's backstory might create can be waved away with Illumi's needles. Same way he used them as an excuse for being a poo poo to Nanika.
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TriffTshngo posted:I think any weird discrepancies or plot holes Alluka existing in Killua's backstory might create can be waved away with Illumi's needles. Same way he used them as an excuse for being a poo poo to Nanika. We knew there were 5 siblings for a while but one of them was never really focused on. Plus you are correct about the Needles. Killua straight up said that the Needles were messing him up something fierce and he was wondering if they were the reason he never did anything about Alluka's horrible treatment.
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