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Finster Dexter posted:Whoa, cool off. That line wasn't an insult. I'm as groggy as anyone and consider myself as tryhard as anyone when it comes to strategy games. Yikes, man. Wasn't trying to offend, but you're being awfully sensitive, there. I don't know what community we're talking about where tryhard isn't a pejorative, but if that's what you mean it's cool. I'm not trying to argue for pilot abilities and upgrade cards in demos, but even just having asteroids and actions at least gives the game some variety. In the in-book demo scenario you're rolling a bunch of dice results that do nothing and there's nowhere to go.
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I would love to live in a world where none of my three dice attacks missed to make gunner useless. If you're attacked first, you use Dengar's ability and don't use gunner. Then game a shot in normal order and use gunner if you miss. If you're shooting first, don't use gunner, then use it when you get shot at. If someone had you in arc and takes a shot at someone else because you have a gunnered up shot waiting, then you're still getting utility out of it.
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Strobe posted:I would love to live in a world where none of my three dice attacks missed to make gunner useless. If you're attacked first, you use Dengar's ability and don't use gunner. Then game a shot in normal order and use gunner if you miss. Gunner is bad on Dengar because it is five points for situational use, because his shoot-back pilot ability is itself situational. If you trade away PTL, K4, Unhinged, and Engine Upgrade to get a jury-rigged double-tap that you can reroll once, I think you have made your 9EHP ship dramatically worse. And it's still 51 points.
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Jan 25, 2016 21:23
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guts and bolts posted:Gunner is bad on Dengar because it is five points for situational use, because his shoot-back pilot ability is itself situational. If you trade away PTL, K4, Unhinged, and Engine Upgrade to get a jury-rigged double-tap that you can reroll once, I think you have made your 9EHP ship dramatically worse. And it's still 51 points. Maybe the boba or gonk crew could change how he does things to make him more efficient. Hopefully. If not unhinged what other scum astromech would he use?
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Jan 25, 2016 22:22
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Otisburg posted:
It took me a while to understand why you were posting a picture of your stock Falcon before I noticed TFA radar dish. Is it Mel? edit: Oh wait, did you also give it a wash? vvvvvvv double edit: that's sick, looks real good AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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AndyElusive posted:It took me a while to understand why you were posting a picture of your stock Falcon before I noticed TFA radar dish. Is it Mel? Nah, just the dish. Yeah, picked up a couple off of Shapeways. Pops right in, pretty easy mod.
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Hencoe posted:Maybe the boba or gonk crew could change how he does things to make him more efficient. Hopefully. R4 agromech isn't bad for him, what with the double attacking, though Unhinged and K4 is the very obvious combo. Unless Gonk, Overclocked Astromech and Boba are totes amazeballs, my Dengar probably looks like this Dengar (33) Push the Limit (3) K4 Security Droid (3) Unhinged Astromech (1) Glitterstim (2) Engine Upgrade (4) Punishing One (12) Total: 58 View in Yet Another Squad Builder And I think it will be pretty solid. It's no fat han, maybe, but it'll shoot quicker.
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guts and bolts posted:Gunner is bad on Dengar because it is five points for situational use, because his shoot-back pilot ability is itself situational. If you trade away PTL, K4, Unhinged, and Engine Upgrade to get a jury-rigged double-tap that you can reroll once, I think you have made your 9EHP ship dramatically worse. And it's still 51 points. I'll let you know if I find a Most Wanted to buy to give me K4 and Unhinged. In the meantime, I'm buying the Punishing One to get the Guidance Chips, and I feel like playing Scum with the only three Scum ships I (will) own. I can still get the double tap, it's just not as black and white as "point ship at target, double tap." I know that things that are slightly difficult to do are considered sub-par in X-wing, but I already fly XXX list, which are basically the epitome of "everyone says this ship is bad".
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Strobe posted:I'll let you know if I find a Most Wanted to buy to give me K4 and Unhinged. In the meantime, I'm buying the Punishing One to get the Guidance Chips, and I feel like playing Scum with the only three Scum ships I (will) own. There's really not much "slightly difficult" about gunner- it's a straight up attack buff, very good against hard-to-hit targets, particularly stacked with effects that modify multiple attacks like predator. It's not really a "double tap" the way BTL is.
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Dengar and Gunner interact in a way that's slightly less simple than that, because if he uses it on one attack he can't make his second attack at all. That's what guts and bolts is talking about with the "dramatically worse" comment, and I think it's silly to declare it worse offhand.
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Strobe posted:Dengar and Gunner interact in a way that's slightly less simple than that, because if he uses it on one attack he can't make his second attack at all. That's what guts and bolts is talking about with the "dramatically worse" comment, and I think it's silly to declare it worse offhand. You don't get 5 points of versatility out of Gunner with Dengar like you would pretty much every other ship that can take it (ships that can't make multiple primary weapon attacks) so I think that yes, it's worse offhand in that specific instance.
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Strobe posted:Dengar and Gunner interact in a way that's slightly less simple than that, because if he uses it on one attack he can't make his second attack at all. That's what guts and bolts is talking about with the "dramatically worse" comment, and I think it's silly to declare it worse offhand. Honestly though if you're gonna roll that way i'd go and use Tel Travura with title, hull, VI, and gunner.
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You get arguably more versatility at the cost of reliability. I get to choose which target I take multiple rools at, but risk losing my other attack if I take the shot.
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Strobe posted:You get arguably more versatility at the cost of reliability. I get to choose which target I take multiple rools at, but risk losing my other attack if I take the shot. I think the thing is, it's an expensive way to modify an attack on a one-action ship.
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Panzeh posted:Honestly though if you're gonna roll that way i'd go and use Tel Travura with title, hull, VI, and gunner. I don't actually own VI, either.  My only big ship to date is the Shuttle.
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Panzeh posted:Honestly though if you're gonna roll that way i'd go and use Tel Travura with title, hull, VI, and gunner. Using the PS7 who dies twice is going to be very solid, but not being PS9 with PTL and Engine Upgrade (because you'd be stupid not to take Hull Upgrade on it) is going to mean it has a very different playstyle to Dengar.
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Strobe posted:I don't actually own VI, either. Ouch! thespaceinvader posted:Using the PS7 who dies twice is going to be very solid, but not being PS9 with PTL and Engine Upgrade (because you'd be stupid not to take Hull Upgrade on it) is going to mean it has a very different playstyle to Dengar. No doubt, but if I were trying a lean, stress-resistant jumpy, I would consider Tel.
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What are some solid sites that talk about strategy and tactics of x-wing minis? I'm tossing my friend into the deep end with a tournament after just a couple hours of introduction to the game. I don't think I've looked up anything strat/tactics online wise since I've only ever talked to my nova friends about that stuff lol.
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Chill la Chill posted:What are some solid sites that talk about strategy and tactics of x-wing minis? I'm tossing my friend into the deep end with a tournament after just a couple hours of introduction to the game. I don't think I've looked up anything strat/tactics online wise since I've only ever talked to my nova friends about that stuff lol. http://xwingtactics.tumblr.com/ is decent. These two articles are also pretty good, if a little dated. Ship and Asteroid placement are super important. https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/3/20/turn-zero/ https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/4/17/mastering-ship-placement/ Visualizing movement https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/110115-earning-your-wings-a-guide-for-understanding-movment/
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The tone is a bit holier than thou, but the general ideas here are sound https://tm42xwing.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/listbuilding-for-beginners/
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Chill la Chill posted:What are some solid sites that talk about strategy and tactics of x-wing minis? I'm tossing my friend into the deep end with a tournament after just a couple hours of introduction to the game. I don't think I've looked up anything strat/tactics online wise since I've only ever talked to my nova friends about that stuff lol. Don't you literally know Paul Heaver? Just have him go over some stuff.
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Kai Tave posted:Don't you literally know Paul Heaver? Just have him go over some stuff. I'm at uni. Back home I just chat with Paul and Ira and Ron and Honter and Derek and some other guys whose names you can see in top 16/32 of the last two worlds tournaments. E: oh yeah and Richard. He's a bit unsavory. Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Only myself and three others turned out for league night due to a pretty bad snow storm. Ended up racking up against the same dude's Brobots twice. Ran my XXB list with the Keyan Opportunist HLC fuckery, then a triple interceptor ace list. Tabled him both times, on account of being not only more intelligent, but also more handsome and just a morally, mentally, physically, and ecumenically better person. Also I really need to watch my elbows, my fat loving fingers and flailing arms knocked over/out of position a thing or two, necessitating a couple drops I felt bad about taking. I wasn't trying to game them, but when you're playing arc dodgers it feels like cheating to have to guesstimate where something was and then, well look at that, he's in perfect position!
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Do you guys have any good examples of Imperial repaints? I'm itching to paint something but it seems like there's a lot less flexibility in what you can logically paint compared to 40k or even FoW.
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ghetto wormhole posted:Do you guys have any good examples of Imperial repaints? I'm itching to paint something but it seems like there's a lot less flexibility in what you can logically paint compared to 40k or even FoW. This is a cool group for inspiration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1536099843345877/ If you like the TIE/fo scheme, it looks really slick on pretty much every older TIE variant, IMO, especially with a splash of red like the /sf.
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Otisburg posted:This is a cool group for inspiration: Anything that isn't a closed Facebook group?
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AndyElusive posted:Anything that isn't a closed Facebook group? Aaron accepts everybosy. It's almost up to 5k members in which case he's gonna do another giveaway. Still can't believe how big that group's gotten. It was only started last march as I recall. When I joined there were maybe only 1-200 people.
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Yeah, don't be put off by the "closed" group thing, dude. That's pretty much how every Facebook group operates, so there can be some basic level of moderation against abuse or spam accounts. You don't have to do a gang initiation or whatever.
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Otisburg is lying on the last part. You have to show your wang to the elder members first. 
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Played with some x7 defenders today with and without stealth device. Coming from a guy who loves defenders, they might be too much. I was playing 35 Fel with two 31 deltas with stealth device. Here's the current "hyped" list Colonel Vessery (35) Ruthlessness (3) Tractor Beam (1) TIE/D (0) Delta Squadron Pilot (30) Ion Cannon (3) TIE/D (0) Delta Squadron Pilot (30) TIE/x7 (-2) Total: 100 Not sold on ruthlessness, but the 28 point deltas shrug off around 3 damage a turn minimum without stealth device and get to block at ps1. With stealth device my deltas at 31 were evading both shots from predator/gunner han. It's pretty silly.
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I'd love* for Defenders to be a whole thing, but on paper it still feels pretty steeply priced. Paying Poe Dameron prices for a guy with the same HP and PWV, only PS1 with no pilot ability is rough. Once Veterans drops I'll put them on the table and take the Pepsi challenge for sure, though. *(or at least my inner 14-year-old who loved having his Magic Sith Tattoo inked pilot fly the ridiculous ubership on Vader's wing would love) Next League night I think I'll try a RAC+Whisper. How do you guys feel about : Rear Admiral Chiraneau (46) Veteran Instincts (1) Darth Vader (3) Ysanne Isard (4) Gunner (5) Engine Upgrade (4) "Whisper" (32) Veteran Instincts (1) Advanced Cloaking Device (4) Total: 100
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Floppychop posted:My favorite build for the YV-666 is still the simplest. That's what I'm using, it's incredibly effective for 38 points. I've had a couple of games with Latts Razzi now so I'm going to be trying Latts Razzi (41) YV-666 (33), Bossk (2), K4 Security Droid (3), Weapons Engineer (3) You don't get the double shot but you're more of a support ship for people with higher PS than you, you get the locks when you move, spend them on your high PS guys, then have a shot yourself, if you miss then Bossk gets you more locks you can use for your lower PS guys.
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Otisburg posted:
Love that list. Took it to last years regionals only I had FCS on whisper and no ysanne. Killing a Soontir or whisper before they can fire a single shot is amazing and completely demoralizing.
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Otisburg posted:I'd love* for Defenders to be a whole thing, but on paper it still feels pretty steeply priced. Paying Poe Dameron prices for a guy with the same HP and PWV, only PS1 with no pilot ability is rough. Once Veterans drops I'll put them on the table and take the Pepsi challenge for sure, though. I'm thinking about switching to this list, if only because I can turn chunks of Decimator into critical damage when I get angry at someone's green dice (which I inevitably do).
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I honestly think Kylo Ren fits the theme of Vader's power better than Vader does.
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Yeah, Vader would fit Moff Jerjerrod better almost, what with his propensity to kill people who screw up.
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Otisburg posted:Only myself and three others turned out for league night due to a pretty bad snow storm. Ended up racking up against the same dude's Brobots twice. Ran my XXB list with the Keyan Opportunist HLC fuckery, then a triple interceptor ace list. What was your triple interceptor list?
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Prophecy120 posted:What was your triple interceptor list? Otisburg was running Soontir with PtL, Phennir with VI, and Carnor with Intimidation, all with Title, Stealth, and Autothrusters. It's me, the lesser human being who forgot how to fly Brobots last night.
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