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Narcissus1916 posted:I think the article is dead-on on Noah's current lack of influence. There IS a Daily Show sized hole in our culture. I've seen every episode of Colbert's new show and, yeah, I 100% agree there's no more teeth as far as political commentary. But, in Stephen's case, he's got the Late Show now. Its not the same political beast that the Colbert Report was. I look at it in terms of David Letterman. Is Stephen better than that guy? I think so. Larry Wilmore is really passionate about civil rights, unfairness, and nerd culture. When Nightly began it was a lil' clunky with the Keep it 100 segment being drawn out too long but I think it's figured its self out segment -wise. He really does get invested, it seems. Ricky Valez, though.... gently caress that guy. Not funny. Not clever. Nope.
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Jan 26, 2016 03:54
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TNS is the same as it ever was. Great when it's an issue Larry cares about, shitawful otherwise, unwatchable whenever they do a bit with one of the side characters.
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Alright, I decided to skim the piece after all. It's not the hit piece or concern troll piece I imagined it being. But I can't help thinking it's willfully riding on the blog hivemind's strange dislike for Trevor. I'm enjoying The Daily Show, and many of the broader editorial focus shifts are understandable. (Less media bashing, less of Stewart's "i'm tired of being tired of everything" tone) And I guess Trevor is still trying to figure out how to fill the hole left in those changes. I think Trevor really needs to gain more wisdom and perspective for a voice to shine through and that would still take a few years. I'm not going to make excuses like "he's new and Stewart wasn't that amazing at the start too" because Trevor inherited a stronger program and experienced crew and what matters is if I'm being entertained now. Fortunately, I am. I'll avoid the super simplistic (and wrong) explanation that the 2016 election's been too big a joke it can't be additionally mocked. I do think it's hard to digest with the willful troll campaigns of Trump and Cruz not on the terms they're willing to be engaged with. Trump and Cruz don't mind at all being mocked by comedy and welcome continuing relevance as long as it doesn't hurt their support from the base. I don't know what a better forest view "so what?" take on the election or America in 2016 would be. It obviously involves Trevor having a strong viewpoint, and I think he's still working that out.
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I'm curious to see how the industry/peers see TDS now. Its been nominated for and won plenty of Emmys. They've even got a couple Peabody awards. Will the trend continue with Noah? Shouldn't it, since they have most of all the writers still on staff? With an election year like this one its kinda hard not to write some biting social commentary worthy of accolades.
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JazzFlight posted:I find the problem is that Trevor Noah is almost a non-entity. He reads a bunch of jokes in a row in a jovial manner. It seems fake. I want him to say something off the cuff or get fired up about something. Hell, talk about interesting things going on in Africa that us Americans might not know about. I like John Oliver because he gets pissed about stuff and uncovers interesting stories that the media glosses over. Gyges posted:This was true about 97% of all Jon Stewart Daily Shows. We'll have to wait for Trevor to get 9/11ed or something completely heinous, like all the times Jon got fired up. He got all serious just the other day when Fox was giving Obama poo poo for crying about the murder of first graders. I thought he did a great job of it, too. The audience seemed a little unsure of how to react, though -- like they kept expecting him to make a joke but he was just serious.
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Pillow Hat posted:He got all serious just the other day when Fox was giving Obama poo poo for crying about the murder of first graders. I thought he did a great job of it, too. The audience seemed a little unsure of how to react, though -- like they kept expecting him to make a joke but he was just serious. Yeah exactly. If Trevor came in post 2016 election he'd have plenty of time to get a hang of things before the next one. Right now it's trial by fire.
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Pillow Hat posted:He got all serious just the other day when Fox was giving Obama poo poo for crying about the murder of first graders. I thought he did a great job of it, too. The audience seemed a little unsure of how to react, though -- like they kept expecting him to make a joke but he was just serious. There's also the two or three mass shootings that happened weeks after he came on board.
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FYI - RUMSFELD was on Colbert tonight, and he actually said "If it was a fact, it wouldn't be called intelligence." In reference to the causes of the Iraq War.
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Jan 26, 2016 06:39
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Narcissus1916 posted:I think the article is dead-on on Noah's current lack of influence. There IS a Daily Show sized hole in our culture. I enjoyed the article too; probably the best criticism I've read on Trevor so far. The line "He's out to neutralize, not to awaken" gets to the point I was trying to make a few pages ago.
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Jan 26, 2016 06:56
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The first bit on the election was pretty decently done - nothing earth shattering but strong enough. And then the Cheng piece. gently caress me gently, I haven't seen a sketch sour so quickly. The second he went from "hey this is some hosed up government bullshit" to Tired Dad Jokes I cringed. Is there someone who finds his Daddy Never Loved Me schtick funny? Like, anywhere?
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Jan 26, 2016 09:01
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I've never found that funny from any comedian. Maybe it's cause I can't relate to it, I don't know.
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Jan 26, 2016 15:02
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Other correspondents have made it funny before, by being less blunt about it (not going on for so long or specifically naming the Daily Show). Colbert used to do rants that started about one thing and ended up about his personal issues all the time.
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Jan 26, 2016 15:10
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I found that Chieng bit funny. I'm not sure if Ronnie intended to keep doing Daddy issue jokes after the first two times, but I thought it going for it way too tempting to not tie it with the adult gay adoption angle.
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Yeah I thought the bit was funny overall. I just feel like daddy issues are kind of a low hanging fruit comedy wise. I think he's funnier when he's doing other stuff.
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Count me as one of those who isn't a fan of Chieng. He's the one correspondent I'm not a fan of. He seems to just have one or two jokes and I don't find either funny enough to keep laughing at. I'm not hating him or anything. I hope he rounds out as a comic and he could maybe benefit from working with the other correspondents more. But right now when I see him I'm kind of prepared for a disappoint segment. I will say that the one moment of that segment I enjoyed was the classic Daily Show moment where the rear end in a top hat being mocked doesn't realize what's happening.
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Jan 26, 2016 23:43
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The "daddy issues" schtick is no good, but I won't write him off about that. It's actually good that they brought to light the issue of a lot of gay couples opting for adult adoption when they thought marriage equality was never going to happen. It was very much a thing and the issue now, though they didn't bother to expound upon it, is that the courts really have no idea what the hell to do with annulling adult adoptions for this purpose. It just hasn't happened so it keeps getting escalated to higher courts because there's no precedent even though the logical answer is obvious.
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The first bit he did with virtual reality I thought the dad bit was hilarious, every time since it's just gone downhill. I still like him a lot though, pizza rat was quick and funny. I'm getting real annoyed with Trevor though. Comedic wise his voice imitations are terrible and it's like his most go to move. The worst thing though is that he's a terrible interviewer. The guy last night was trying to set up easy jokes that the crowd were into and Trevor just couldn't stop tripping him up over and over. He's done the same thing in a lot of interviews with comedians too, not just a one time thing. But the thing that I'm annoyed by the most is that, to me, he's proven completely unqualified to be interviewing non-comedians. Others in the thread have already argued against the "but Jon needed more time too" logic but I'll go a step more and say he shouldn't have taken the job if he couldn't do better than whatever the hell it is he's doing with the 'real' guests and letting them regurgitate whatever they want with no rebuttal or insight in return. Like somebody else said above I'm basically only watching now for the correspondents and maybe because I have a crush on Desi. Really feels to me like an era coming to an end because I'm never giving Nightly another chance. At least we'll still have Oliver on HBO. Botnit fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Botnit posted:The first bit he did with virtual reality I thought the dad bit was hilarious, every time since it's just gone downhill. I still like him a lot though, pizza rat was quick and funny. Oh, shut the gently caress up.
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I'm finding Trevor very bland too. I know people keep saying Jon Stewart took years to get good, but John Oliver nailed it after like two weeks, and Colbert was amazing from the start.
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Jan 27, 2016 02:01
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Oliver and Colbert were on the Daily Show learning from Jon for years before they got their own shows.
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Pillow Hat posted:Oh, shut the gently caress up. Somebody needs to counteract your obsessive spamming the thread of Leave Trevor Alone hyperbole.
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Jan 27, 2016 02:22
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GreenNight posted:Oliver and Colbert were on the Daily Show learning from Jon for years before they got their own shows. Yeah, they hardly were starting from the same spot Noah is. He had like 3 segments before he got the gig. Plus I'm not even sure we're making the same comparison now. Colbert was playing a character which is totally different. Plus one of the main complaints about Noah is his interviews and Colbert's interviews were always something completely different. I don't remember Oliver being especially good or bad at them and they're not a part of his show now. This debate is redundant so I keep trying to avoid it. Its just "Noah isn't as good as Jon"/"Give him time to grow in it"/"He doesn't have IT" over and over. I don't know. I enjoy the show so I don't mind the growing pains. I compare that to Nightly which I just couldn't struggle through after a few weeks. If Noah's TDS doesn't work for you and you don't have faith he'll grow in it then I guess you gotta just walk away. Its awesome Oliver is there as an alternative and Samantha Bee is starting soon, isn't she?
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Yes she is. Her husbands commercial basically saying "watch us since you're not watching Daily Show anymore" left a bad taste in my mouth though.
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Botnit posted:I'm getting real annoyed with Trevor though. Comedic wise his voice imitations are terrible and it's like his most go to move. How will we make it through this torture after so many years of Jon's impeccable imitations.
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Gyges posted:How will we make it through this torture after so many years of Jon's impeccable imitations. Plus, I would add that although his standard American voice is not awesome, every other nationality he has done has been spot on to my ear. All Jon really had was the Brooklyn guy.
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Dr Christmas posted:He had Harvey Fierstein-sounding Jewish mother too http://www.cc.com/video-clips/hso7s0/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-on-topic---the-best-of-jon-stewart---classic-impressions?xrs=share_red
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The problem with Trevor Noah is ultimately that he's not American. He only recently immigrated there, and as a result he's not really invested in it. So when they talk about Trump, for instance, he just laughs at him and thinks he's funny, not something he's worried about. Because, in the worst-case scenario where Trump becomes president and everything goes to poo poo, all it means for Trevor is that he goes back to South Africa, or the UK and continues his successful comedy career there. In a few years, that'll almost certainly change, as Trevor feels more at home and everything becomes more personally relevant to him. The same thing happened to John Oliver. But until then, he won't own the problems he makes jokes about. He's like when Jon would make jokes about foreign politics - he finds the humour in the issues, and if he knows enough about them he probably has some sort of opinion on them. But ultimately, he's not got the emotion behind it because he feels that it's not really his business.
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Trump is not something to worry about. He is a farce and the fact that he is leading the Republican field is indeed the height of comedy. If by some miracle he actually wins he will be crushed in the general, because outside of 30% of the Republican base he is never going to be taken seriously as an option.
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Comrade Fakename posted:The problem with Trevor Noah is ultimately that he's not American. He only recently immigrated there, and as a result he's not really invested in it. So when they talk about Trump, for instance, he just laughs at him and thinks he's funny, not something he's worried about. Because, in the worst-case scenario where Trump becomes president and everything goes to poo poo, all it means for Trevor is that he goes back to South Africa, or the UK and continues his successful comedy career there. I liked the bit where compared Trump to and African dictator.
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Pillow Hat posted:Plus, I would add that although his standard American voice is not awesome, every other nationality he has done has been spot on to my ear. All Jon really had was the Brooklyn guy. His Ben Carson impression is great.
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raditts posted:His Ben Carson impression is great. It's outstanding. And if you think that's because Ben Carson is an easy person to imitate, go watch any clip of Jay Pharoh doing Carson and loving it up completely.
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Gyges posted:Trump is not something to worry about. He is a farce and the fact that he is leading the Republican field is indeed the height of comedy. If by some miracle he actually wins he will be crushed in the general, because outside of 30% of the Republican base he is never going to be taken seriously as an option. That being said, I think people need to talk a lot more about the old guard GOP and all the harm they did. And that it's fruitless to ask Rubio or Jeb or Kasich or Christie to SAVE US from a Trump or Cruz nomination because they're all terrible.
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Gyges posted:How will we make it through this torture after so many years of Jon's impeccable imitations. Jon knew his impressions were complete poo poo, Trevor thinks his are amazing judging by him laughing at himself after each one.
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Gyges posted:Trump is not something to worry about. He is a farce and the fact that he is leading the Republican field is indeed the height of comedy. If by some miracle he actually wins he will be crushed in the general, because outside of 30% of the Republican base he is never going to be taken seriously as an option. I agree, there's no way that Trump will be president, and in fact his success in the primaries could well be a good thing because it might destroy the Republican party. But at absolute minimum the fact that such large swathes of the American public support him to the point where he hugely leads the Republican field, despite being pretty much openly a fascist, is already a damning indictment of and a huge embarrassment for the USA. Most commentators act like that. Trevor just thinks he's a funny man. This isn't a criticism of Trevor as a comedian. The kind of investment in the country he needs will come naturally to him as he stays there. It's just a pity that he faces an election so soon into his tenure.
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