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leprosy is hard to spread 
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I like to think the Abomination was the game's way of "balancing" the Jester because that's one scenario you really could use the constant stress heals.
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Jan 26, 2016 16:13
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Doctor Schnabel posted:leprosy is hard to spread He spread it in this thread just fine 
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Jan 26, 2016 16:14
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I like the leper against the swine prince/king because of intimidate spam and he can take severe punishment also all their class trinkets are pretty good.
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Jan 26, 2016 16:25
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Another question: Did they lower the cost on supplies since early access? I remember having to really think about what I want to bring but now it seems like I can easily just buy all the food and all the torches and all the bandages and not even come close to breaking the bank. Even in longer dungeons
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Jan 26, 2016 16:42
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Macaluso posted:Another question: Did they lower the cost on supplies since early access? I remember having to really think about what I want to bring but now it seems like I can easily just buy all the food and all the torches and all the bandages and not even come close to breaking the bank. Even in longer dungeons Don't think so but my standard kit always has herbs, key. Also a bloodthirst ring is pretty nice to bring food usage down.
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Jan 26, 2016 16:59
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i think they did adjust it a bit, yeah. iirc food and torches in particular are cheaper edit: had a quick glance at the patch notes and nothing jumped out at me, so maybe i'm making that up. i can't shake the feeling that those prices got a tweak somewhere in the past half year tho Soup du Journey fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Jan 26, 2016 16:59
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Lyrax posted:Just like the Necromancer, the Drowned Crew folds to Crusaders because they are Unholy. Plus Crusader camping skills give stress damage mitigation which is necessary for anyone who gets All Hands On Deck!'d into Heave to! I like the leper for the cannon because he pretty much guarantees a hit on the cannon and whatever fodder it summoned. It can also take the punishments from the brigands and heal itself in a pinch. The same applies for the flesh specifically be a use the champion version of it dishes out so much damage you pretty much have to have a durable party to handle it.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:26
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just because his dick rotted off doesn't mean it's cool to call him an "it"
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Jan 26, 2016 17:31
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Leper is good for greed attempts against the prophet if you want to harvest all those precious wood chunks. Bring a dodge-focused houndmaster to guard the rest of the team from the roof collapses, a healer of some sort, and probably a Crusader I guess since you're already committed to pounding down the front row. Your biggest problem will be getting everyone stressed out by normal encounters before you ever reach the boss.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:32
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i thought guard didnt work for the roof collapse
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Jan 26, 2016 17:40
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Doctor Schnabel posted:i thought guard didnt work for the roof collapse If it doesn't it's the result of a recent patch. I know it did at some point.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:42
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Doctor Schnabel posted:i thought guard didnt work for the roof collapse It doesn't if the guy guarding is also targeted at the same time. Same deal with the Swine Prince. Man-At-Arms/Houndmaster are still phenominal in both of those fights.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:42
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Doctor Schnabel posted:i thought guard didnt work for the roof collapse It does, but at higher levels the Prophet will frequently multitarget, and guard fails against AOE attacks that include the guarding character. An Occultist with a +debuff trinket is a much more reliable way of tanking rubble damage.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:42
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It works, saw it on stream yesterday Efb
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Jan 26, 2016 17:43
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i was watching some stream where a dude tried the guard thing. both the target and the guy guarding him were targets. 
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Jan 26, 2016 17:47
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abomination gets really silly with the protective chains and some -stress item. it doesn't hurt that his base form is still a solid character.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:53
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Ves-PD-MaA-HM(Dismas) go to face the Swine God. Round 1, everyone gets stunned except MaA, who Bellows. Then the Swine God uses his AoE, which crits Dismas to Death's Door from full health. Wilbur's second move marks Dismas and another character; it ends up being a Death Blow to Dismas. I'm not about to try and kill a Champion tier boss who's still at full health with a not-full party, so luckily I bail. Sadly, Dismas was holding two of my favorite trinkets, the Ancestor's Map and the Highwayman's Buckle. I feel like this is the most bullshit thing the game's done to me so far. I had a good party composition at max heath/low stress/good camping buffs, going into what I expected to be a tough fight, and it was over before it even started becuase of (what I feel is) RNG bullshit. I like hard games. DCSS is probably my favorite game, and I splat high-level characters all the time. But when I die in Crawl, I can tell it's my fault (unless it's some early game gently caress you like a jackal pack or an adder I can't run from). In this case it feels like Dismas died because I had the nerve to go fight a boss in a game that's about fighting bosses. I'm angry about this video game right now, but I still like it and will still finish it, but a less level-headed me wants to storm off to write one of those angry Steam reviews after 90 hours played.
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Jan 26, 2016 18:55
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I don't think you can blame the game if you haven't learned from the previous two swine fights not to attack Wilbur.
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Jan 26, 2016 19:00
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protomexican posted:Ves-PD-MaA-HM(Dismas) go to face the Swine God. Round 1, everyone gets stunned except MaA, who Bellows. Then the Swine God uses his AoE, which crits Dismas to Death's Door from full health. Wilbur's second move marks Dismas and another character; it ends up being a Death Blow to Dismas. I'm not about to try and kill a Champion tier boss who's still at full health with a not-full party, so luckily I bail. Sadly, Dismas was holding two of my favorite trinkets, the Ancestor's Map and the Highwayman's Buckle.  Macaluso posted:Another question: Did they lower the cost on supplies since early access? I remember having to really think about what I want to bring but now it seems like I can easily just buy all the food and all the torches and all the bandages and not even come close to breaking the bank. Even in longer dungeons I don't really remember the costs being any higher, but I didn't play much between February and July. Maybe before July they were higher.
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Jan 26, 2016 19:00
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So why did you Bellow anyway? Doesn't hitting Wilbur trigger the big crybaby freakout
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Jan 26, 2016 19:01
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Internet Kraken posted:I don't think you can blame the game if you haven't learned from the previous two swine fights not to attack Wilbur. nope game unfair and fight is impossible pls respect
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Jan 26, 2016 19:01
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protomexican posted:In this case it feels like Dismas died because I had the nerve to go fight a boss in a game that's about fighting bosses. Actually, Dismas died becuase you had the nerve to use an attack that targets all enemies including the little piggy in a fight that's about not targeting the little piggy.
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Jan 26, 2016 19:02
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For someone who likes DCSS it's amusing that you would invoke it. That exact post gets made with clockwork regularity, and then 25 people dogpile with all the various ways in which you could have avoided dying. Hubris~
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Jan 26, 2016 19:10
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 Player: lol I'm gonna kill this little fucker *gets wrecked* Game: Attacking the little one has enraged the big one! Player: Hm, well maybe it won't happen again. *party wipes* Player: GAME IS BULLSHIT UNFAIR UNFAIR UNFAIR
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Jan 26, 2016 19:10
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What they should do is have your adventurers warn you that you shouldn't hit the little piggy. Maybe they could say something like "Do not hit the little one!" or "It is protecting the little one!" every time you  out and hit Wilbur. That would certainly help
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Jan 26, 2016 19:10
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frest posted:So why did you Bellow anyway? Doesn't hitting Wilbur trigger the big crybaby freakout Well, killing him makes the boss go completely apeshit forever, but hitting him will make the boss go apeshit once. It's still bad every time. Internet Kraken posted:
To be fair, when I got there my first instinct was "he's guarding the little guy, kill the little guy first" and I one-shot him so I never actually saw any warnings about not hitting him. I still managed to kill him by getting really lucky with death's door, having a vestal constantly removing DD from everyone, and a plague doctor getting blight up to 15+ on him
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Jan 26, 2016 19:10
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Wilbur killed himself to Riposte when I did the Swing King, I'm wondering if the freakout only triggers from a direct attack?
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Jan 26, 2016 19:12
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It's a roguelike. Occasionally, you will have a party wipe due to the RNG. Occasionally, you will pull off a miracle win due to the RNG. And than there are a shitload of inbetweens, where you can win by not attacking the little pig.
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Jan 26, 2016 19:13
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frest posted:Wilbur killed himself to Riposte when I did the Swing King, I'm wondering if the freakout only triggers from a direct attack? I was watching a stream the other day where the streamer did just that and the king still went apeshit. e: Well... I think? I can't actually remember if the king actually attacked at all in the timeframe between wilbur dying and the streamer retreating. President Ark fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Jan 26, 2016 19:14
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Turns out that riposte on Wilbur doesn't trigger the big guy's revenge so I thought that I might be able to cheese the fight by exploiting that. Well, that was well and good until Wilbur died, which apparently makes the boss go into perma freak out mode. Turned a fight that was going well into a pretty tense damage race. Probably should have considered that happening and not tested that with the boss at 50% hp 
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Jan 26, 2016 19:15
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When i did the apprentice swine prince it had been so long i forgot about that and was like "Well i'll just knock him down to one shot territory for when boss is dead". Prince proceeded to about kill my party off, luckily when i made that boner of a decision i had two weakening debuffs on him so it wasn't so bad, and i recovered from it just fine. Well that's my story about making a bad decision but being slightly prepared for it unintentionally. I didn't have too hard a time with the apprentice guys i never did back in EA, but i tend to be cautious with bosses. I think out of all of them the only one that gave me slight issue was the prophet and that was very minor outside of my only real damage on him being an iron swanning hellion.
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Soothing Vapors posted:What they should do is have your adventurers warn you that you shouldn't hit the little piggy. Maybe they could say something like "Do not hit the little one!" or "It is protecting the little one!" every time you Am I crazy or don't characters literally do this? I seem to recall one of my guys saying that during the fight with him Or is that the joke
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Jan 26, 2016 19:16
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Also, just throwing this out there: as far as I can recall, the only full-party AOE stun in that fight is from retaliation for hitting/killing Wilbur, so in order to have 3 of your dudes stunned in Round 1 you must have already hit Wilbur.... and already gotten the characters warning you to stop doing that Wilbur can stun 3 guys on his own, but only after the King is dead
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Macaluso posted:Am I crazy or don't characters literally do this? I seem to recall one of my guys saying that during the fight with him 
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Jan 26, 2016 19:17
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I know you guys say not to restart, but I keep doing it anyways. Finally a good group of vest/pd/bounty hunter/MAA on the second 4 man run. 2xthugs+2xshooters destroys my group in the 3rd fight, just after a collector. Even got an insane lucky draw on 2x rare trinkets from a collector + some other chaff. I *know* I've played the fights 95% optimally, and I can't even get through 3 fights without a loss? I'm not doing 2/3's of a map with 3 guys
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Jan 26, 2016 19:22
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Daktari posted:2xthugs+2xshooters destroys my group in the 3rd fight what were you having the plague doctor doing in that fight e: also the bounty hunter
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Jan 26, 2016 19:23
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Soothing Vapors posted:Also, just throwing this out there: as far as I can recall, the only full-party AOE stun in that fight is from retaliation for hitting/killing Wilbur, so in order to have 3 of your dudes stunned in Round 1 you must have already hit Wilbur.... and already gotten the characters warning you to stop doing that the hits just keep on coming lol
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Jan 26, 2016 19:26
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I feel like this game is drawing in a lot of people who don't play or aren't used to games with permanent consequences, and it's driving OCD 100% perfectionist rpg save-every-potion-until-the-last-fight types absolutely bonkers when something goes wrong.
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President Ark posted:what were you having the plague doctor doing in that fight Had the 2 starting morons + a leper. They had great skills for 2nd/3rd row, ie their stuns, come hither's, with the damage stuff.
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Jan 26, 2016 19:35
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