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He's going to announce his once trilogy is now at least 4 books sometime in the next two years and then 3 years after that when Doors of Stone (which is now called A Moonless Night) is still not out; when all we have is cross fanfiction melding King Killer with Orange is the New Black, hundreds of mspaint pictures of Kvothe falling off of hover boards, a million in-jokes, and an amazing Coat of Arms made to show Rothfuss' acumen for not writing; then my friends, we can at least look back at this moment and know that jivjov was the bellwether that made it all happen. The birth of a new, bad thread.
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Or alternatively, split the last book into two parts because that's what the cool movies are doing these days with their last hurrah. Hunger Games, Harry Potter, The Hobbit being an even further exception.
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Jan 21, 2016 14:31
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A silence in three parts, followed by a dropped mic.
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Jan 21, 2016 14:36
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Turns out that without JivJov to yell at, we have nothing to talk about. God, what have we become?
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Jan 22, 2016 19:57
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Benson Cunningham posted:Turns out that without JivJov to yell at, we have nothing to talk about. You want to argue about whether Kvothe is a Mary Sue or merely a hyper-competent Zelazny-style protagonist again?
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Jan 22, 2016 20:08
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Benson Cunningham posted:Turns out that without JivJov to yell at, we have nothing to talk about. I'm still around; I just got tired of banging my head against a wall of "hurr durr Rothfuss owes me the third book right nowwwwwwwww"
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It is difficult to grasp the difference between an author who writes one-off works and one who writes a series.
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jivjov posted:I'm still around; I just got tired of banging my head against a wall of "hurr durr Rothfuss owes me the third book right nowwwwwwwww" Rothfuss doesn't owe anyone poo poo, but some honesty from him regarding the book's progress rather then childish tantrums go a long way to shutting people up. He can easily say "I've been working on X number of other projects, Doors is taking me a long time because I'm trying to get it right and it's not happening" so he's clearly busy as poo poo and Doors isn't his central priority and that's fine. It kind of sucks as a fan of the series that the finale takes a back burner to his passion projects but it's Rothfuss' life and he can do whatever he wants. I don't know the specifics of his publishing contract for the Kingkiller books, but I'm pretty sure he gets as much freedom as he wants to take his time after the success of NoTW.
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ulmont posted:You want to argue about whether Kvothe is a Mary Sue or merely a hyper-competent Zelazny-style protagonist again? How dare you imply by association anything Rothfuss does could even approach Zelazny's work. How loving dare you. Seriously though, Chronicles of Amber owns so hard. I'm speaking about the first five books, of course.
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Benson Cunningham posted:How dare you imply by association anything Rothfuss does could even approach Zelazny's work. How loving dare you. The more I think about it, the more I wish Kvothe was a bit more cynical. I need dialogue about the input of his worst, if wiser, self. Benson Cunningham posted:Seriously though, Chronicles of Amber owns so hard. I'm speaking about the first five books, of course. There is also some neat stuff in the second chronicles, but I agree in general. Kvothe also isn't, now that I think about it, nearly as goal-focused as Corwin. Eyes firmly on the prize, that guy. or firmly on the white-hot irons, whatever As a public service announcement: The Chronicles of Amber are finally being made available on Kindle. First 3 are up now. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=zelazny
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ulmont posted:
Early I said this should be a Gene Wolfe thread I think, but now I want it to be a Roger Zelazny thread. Go read Chronicles of Amber everyone. It's too good.
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Benson Cunningham posted:Early I said this should be a Gene Wolfe thread I think, but now I want it to be a Roger Zelazny thread. Go read Chronicles of Amber everyone. It's too good. Also read Lord of Light. You'll thank me when you reach That Pun. E: For bonus points, Lord of Light is the movie people are supposedly filming in Argo (and the real world events that inspired it). ulmont fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jan 23, 2016 |
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Jan 23, 2016 04:53
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Lord of Light was really good. So was Creatures of Light and Darkness.
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mornhaven posted:Lord of Light was really good. So was Creatures of Light and Darkness. Creatures of Light and Darkness is the only thing Zelazny wrote that I haven't read. I'm saving it. Once I read it, there's nothing else  .
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Benson Cunningham posted:Creatures of Light and Darkness is the only thing Zelazny wrote that I haven't read. I'm saving it. Once I read it, there's nothing else I'm in the same boat regarding Raising Steam. I refuse to count the Long Earth books.
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PJOmega posted:I'm in the same boat regarding Raising Steam. I refuse to count the Long Earth books. My favorite Zelazny is A Night In Lonesome October, by the way.
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Benson Cunningham posted:Creatures of Light and Darkness is the only thing Zelazny wrote that I haven't read. I'm saving it. Once I read it, there's nothing else Have you read his western? Have you read the Mana From Heaven short story collection?
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Benson Cunningham posted:Creatures of Light and Darkness is the only thing Zelazny wrote that I haven't read. I'm saving it. Once I read it, there's nothing else I'm reminded of the greatest Usenet flamewar of my youth, which began with this: quote:Subject: Re: Roger Zelazny
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Benson Cunningham posted:Creatures of Light and Darkness is the only thing Zelazny wrote that I haven't read. I'm saving it. Once I read it, there's nothing else I'm the same way with The Shepherd's Crown, I'm not ready to be done with Pratchett. Is Jack of Shadows any good? It's the only other one of his I have on hand that I haven't gotten around to reading.
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mornhaven posted:I'm the same way with The Shepherd's Crown, I'm not ready to be done with Pratchett. It's good but not great. Like a lot of his early 70s novellas. Maybe Roadmarks quality?
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There's always the six-volume collection of his short stories, if you haven't read that. I'm pretty sure some of those never appeared anywhere else.
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I'm not sure I read his western, what's the title? All the others mentioned i have read. I own all his short story collections and have even read the post chronicles shorts that continue the Amber story. When I travel for work or with my wife, I'll usually stop in used book stores and try to find old first editions of his and gene wolfe's stuff. Those places are usually stripped bare by collectors though who just want to resell poo poo on eBay.
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Benson Cunningham posted:I'm not sure I read his western, what's the title? All the others mentioned i have read. I own all his short story collections and have even read the post chronicles shorts that continue the Amber story. The Dead Man's Brother (2009) (mystery/thriller novel completed in 1971, finally published in 2009) I do the same.
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It's funny. Spend forever trying to find people who like the things you like, and their recommendations are all junk. Find the people that hate the same things you hate? They've got good taste. (That being said, I found Creatures way more interesting than Lord of Light. Maybe it was because I read them back to back and in that order. But Lord felt ponderous and hamfisted in comparison. Granted, Creatures was deliberately eccentric. Still need to find a copy of Lonesome October.)
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Hughlander posted:The Dead Man's Brother (2009) (mystery/thriller novel completed in 1971, finally published in 2009) Looks like I have two books to read! What good news. Hammer Bro. posted:It's funny. Spend forever trying to find people who like the things you like, and their recommendations are all junk. Don't read Theft of Swords if your opinion aligns with mine. God, what garbage. I also picked up The Vorrh on a recommendation, and have found it to be very difficult to invest myself in. Benson Cunningham fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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Hammer Bro. posted:It's funny. Spend forever trying to find people who like the things you like, and their recommendations are all junk. I read Lord of Light first and found the writing to be more fluid. But Creatures was definitely more interesting, though I remember it being pretty disjointed and choppy. Its been a long time since I read either though so I'm probably misremembering.
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I was very glad when I found that other people disliked Name of the Wind as much as I did. What I always found especially baffling was how much people complimented the prose. I personally found it needlessly ornate, and nonsensical. Prose shouldn't just make no sense at all if you prod it a little bit. What's more, it often jarringly shifts from workman like to embarrassingly purple. I mean, this is unfair but compare: F. Scott Fitzgerald posted:In his blue gardens men and girls came and went like moths among the whisperings and the champagne and the stars. To Patrick Rothfuss posted:This was appropriate, as it was the greatest silence of the three, holding the others inside itself. It was deep and wide as autumn’s ending. It was heavy as a great riversmooth stone. It was the patient, cut-flower sound of a man who is waiting to die.
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I never understood the "cut-flower sound" thing. It sounds like he just picked something random and applied it to something it has no business expounding on. Like if I were to say, "He had the swiftly sewn hunger of generations in his starless night eyes." Sounds super profound, but try to explain what the gently caress I just said.
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Rothfuss is going to the first man convicted of mass metaphor murder.
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anilEhilated posted:Rothfuss is going to the first man convicted of mass metaphor murder. I stopped playing Pillars of Eternity almost immediately due to lazy writing. The very first paragraph of dialog is: Five wagons grope blindly for the path on a starless night, their master glancing ever upwards for assurance he is on the right course, a dim lantern his only protection against the encroaching darkness. Where do I even begin? Wagons can't grope blindly. They have a fixed axle. Any movement you can imagine for 'groping blindly' would look nothing like what the wagons were doing, which is likely just moving slowly. Even if the front wagon was somehow 'groping blindy,' man I hope the rest of the wagons are just calmly following him in a line. And this guy is looking upwards for assurance he is on the right course? The first part of this overwrought sentence points out its a starless night. The gently caress is he looking at? Lazy writing is the worst. In other news, I think I am going to do a Let's Read of Name of the Wind. First post to follow later this week. Time to get to the bottom of this poo poo.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I never understood the "cut-flower sound" thing. It sounds like he just picked something random and applied it to something it has no business expounding on. Like if I were to say, "He had the swiftly sewn hunger of generations in his starless night eyes." Sounds super profound, but try to explain what the gently caress I just said. We should play a game where people have to guess if a metaphor is from Slow Regard or a Deepak Chopra generator.
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Benson Cunningham posted:In other news, I think I am going to do a Let's Read of Name of the Wind. First post to follow later this week. Time to get to the bottom of this poo poo. Anyway, good luck. That's the rest of your life taken care of, I suppose.
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I don't really understand the appeal of that kind of thing. As I've said before I don't think Rothfuss is a particularly good writer but I did find his books enjoyable (well the first one anyway) and he's a decently entertaining fantasy writer. If you hate his writing, that's certainly understandable, but if so I can't understand why you'd want to spend so much time going through it line by line talking about how bad this or that piece of writing is. Wouldn't you rather spend the time reading an author you actually enjoy?
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Earwicker posted:I don't really understand the appeal of that kind of thing. As I've said before I don't think Rothfuss is a particularly good writer but I did find his books enjoyable (well the first one anyway) and he's a decently entertaining fantasy writer. If you hate his writing, that's certainly understandable, but if so I can't understand why you'd want to spend so much time going through it line by line talking about how bad this or that piece of writing is. Wouldn't you rather spend the time reading an author you actually enjoy? I can almost taste the cut flower irony in you making a post on the Internet criticizing people for....making posts on the Internet criticizing people. It tastes like a lack of self awareness, in three parts.
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ulmont posted:I can almost taste the cut flower irony in you making a post on the Internet criticizing people for....making posts on the Internet criticizing people. I'm not criticizing anyone I'm saying I don't personally understand the appeal of that sort of thing. I don't think people who do it are Bad People or anything like that. When I asked "wouldn't you rather spend time with an author you actually enjoy?" that wasn't a rhetorical question, I am honestly wondering why people spend time "hate reading" stuff because I've never gotten it.
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Reading critically is important. I don't hate the first book. The second one is garbage. The things that annoy me are: the public persona of the author, the second book, and the false promises made in relation to the series. I expect to say a number of positive things about the first book, though it also contains some obvious flaws. If you don't like it just ignore the thread when I make it.
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The Kicksarter for that game that Rothfuss was going to do "World Building" for has been cancelled. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/herossong/heros-song/posts/1474916 quote:Hello Everyone, It's still getting released, I guess, but it looks like they realized that they put together a bad campaign for a game that's not finished enough to even begin to show off.
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Earwicker posted:I don't really understand the appeal of that kind of thing. As I've said before I don't think Rothfuss is a particularly good writer but I did find his books enjoyable (well the first one anyway) and he's a decently entertaining fantasy writer. If you hate his writing, that's certainly understandable, but if so I can't understand why you'd want to spend so much time going through it line by line talking about how bad this or that piece of writing is. Wouldn't you rather spend the time reading an author you actually enjoy? Personally I like taking Rothfuss and other writers apart at their prose because it's a teaching experience. You learn a lot more from bad writing then you do from good writing. Enjoyment has little to do with it; learning your craft is everything when you want to improve. Rothfuss gives lots of object lessons in what NOT to do to writers.
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HIJK posted:You learn a lot more from bad writing then you do from good writing. I couldn't disagree more. If you spend all your time reading crap genre fiction - even if you are conscious that it's bad - then that's what is going to be influencing you the most. I can't think of any actual good writers who indicated in any way that they got where they are by spending a bunch of time studying some garbage fantasy series. People learn good writing from good writers, not by taking apart reams of bad writing and doing the opposite. In general: Rothfuss is just one of many genre authors at a similar level of quality and their books are fine for light entertainment but I don't really see the point in spending a whole lot of time digging into them beyond that. If someone wants to add yet another "deep dive" into yet another mediocre fantasy series to a forum that already contains 90% that exact same thing, it is of course your God Given Right to do so, but I fail to understand the point... or how it would even be any different from this thread, for that matter.
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