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Rigged Death Trap posted:CtOS not being instantly dumped and shat on after the events of the game is the most stupid thing, jesus. This is one of the parts that things fall even more flat on. We've had an omnipresent Evil Future Corporation(tm) around the entire game. There's audio logs, conversations, whole scenes dedicated to showing that they're blatantly evil, they're taking over the city from the inside, they're spying on everyone all the time, they're experimenting with mind control and in the end not one of the heroes really gives a poo poo. Sure, Aiden will steal, lie and murder to prevent Damien from getting access to that, but he's totally cool with the entire setup existing and being in the hands of god knows who! Even from the exceedingly generous 'Aiden is Batman' perspective, it's utterly nonsensical.
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All those news segments and it conveniently ignores the public's reaction to any of it. Chicago must be dead inside, like Aiden.
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Jan 26, 2016 15:53
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So is that livestreamed January Chipod Ironicast not downloadable anywhere?
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Tempest_56 posted:This is one of the parts that things fall even more flat on. We've had an omnipresent Evil Future Corporation(tm) around the entire game. There's audio logs, conversations, whole scenes dedicated to showing that they're blatantly evil, they're taking over the city from the inside, they're spying on everyone all the time, they're experimenting with mind control and in the end not one of the heroes really gives a poo poo. Sure, Aiden will steal, lie and murder to prevent Damien from getting access to that, but he's totally cool with the entire setup existing and being in the hands of god knows who! Even from the exceedingly generous 'Aiden is Batman' perspective, it's utterly nonsensical. I think this is kind of a fault of the mishmash storytelling, as something like that is very much a Noir staple in that our protagonist achieves some goal or merely survives but the wheels of corruption spin on. The problem comes is that sort of dis-empowerment clashes with your overall skill set and the "Grandness" of the final arc.
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Jan 26, 2016 16:32
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I also can't see it making sense at all that Blume is just able to go "This giant hacking attack on Chicago only proved that ctOS is strong and therefore we're spreading it around the world!" Chicago has spent months or years (who knows how long apps like Aiden's have been available?) having their traffic lights hosed with, fuse boxes and steam pipes exploding, their bank accounts hacked, etc. Combine that with Ded_Sec constantly butting in to spread their message by hacking Jumbotrons, and ctOS should have been an epic PR disaster for Blume. The game has to assume that everyone in America is a blind moron who immediately accepts everything they're told, regardless of what explodes right in front of them.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:06
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chitoryu12 posted:IThe game has to assume that everyone in America is a blind moron who immediately accepts everything they're told, regardless of what explodes right in front of them. That's a pretty common cyberpunk story beat, so I can't really fault them for it.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:26
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Stormgale posted:I think this is kind of a fault of the mishmash storytelling, as something like that is very much a Noir staple in that our protagonist achieves some goal or merely survives but the wheels of corruption spin on. The problem comes is that sort of dis-empowerment clashes with your overall skill set and the "Grandness" of the final arc. My issue is actually not even that - the wheels of corruption keep turning is a valid story element/moral, but the problem is that none of the characters care. At no point does Aiden give a drat that Blume is literally using mind control, stealing elections, violating literally every privacy law known to man and is outright murdering people for their own advantage - he just wants to not let Damien get hold of it (which is even a wild assumption on his part, since I don't think Damien actually ever shows he knows Bellwether exists). T-Bone, despite building the drat thing in the first place before having an attack of conscience, doesn't even seem to have a problem with the corporate overlords he's battling against (and who tried to murder him) having loving mind control. None of the characters who are aware of the situation show any concern at all about the subject. That's insane.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:29
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I genuinely can't believe that at the literal last second they tried to make that guy we had Jordi shove in a closet for the entire game into some huge moral choice deal. Like we ruined this guys life in a billion ways despite the fact that he really meant nothing to our mission, just got done with all the actual people to blame, and had our big climatic hero speech, and now Aiden just walks in and the game expects you to feel something strongly about the whole encounter. They might as well have had a scene where Aiden disassembles the gun the dude used and dramatically have him throw each piece in the ocean or something while he mumbles about how this gun is to blame as well.
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Jan 26, 2016 17:30
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HGH posted:Three words. Deep Silver also used them for Saints Row 4 on PS4 and Xbone, which makes me worry about that series' future. If they don't care about Saints Row enough to get a decent port out, how bad will the sequel be? That port of SR4 runs at 1080p which seems to be only for marketing reasons. The textures are straight out of the last gen versions with trilinear filtering. Anti-aliasing is set to off. There is a "V-sync" option in the menu that does nothing at all, screen tearing is always present. The game still fails to run at a consistent frame rate.
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TechnoSyndrome posted:It's baffling how they screwed up so bad on an HD port of a PS2 game. It isn't really. Zone of the Enders as a series uses a lot of little tricks and workarounds that basically required the PS2's emotion engine to properly work and naturally, other than early BC USA/JP PS3's, they don't have access to that (and they couldn't code it to take advantage on the off chance the user has a PS3 with one). Which means you need to get a proper workaround going which takes time and money, two things they probably weren't offered. Zone of the Enders 2 was hard to run at full speed on a PS2 emulator for a very long time and I can't say for certain that it's even possible now. Bearing in mind that the PS3 and 360 aren't powerful hardware and it's pretty understandable, albeit not ideal or really even acceptable levels of performance.
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chitoryu12 posted:The game has to assume that everyone in America is a blind moron who immediately accepts everything they're told, regardless of what explodes right in front of them.
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Jan 26, 2016 18:12
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Superanos posted:Deep Silver also used them for Saints Row 4 on PS4 and Xbone, which makes me worry about that series' future. If they don't care about Saints Row enough to get a decent port out, how bad will the sequel be? Volition's never had a good track record for outsourced ports. Remember the disaster that was SR2PC?
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Jan 26, 2016 18:15
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I can't believe nobody used the word "sheeple" in this game. ...........did they?
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Jan 26, 2016 18:28
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Maybe in one of those meme electronic billboards?
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VoidBurger posted:I can't believe nobody used the word "sheeple" in this game. They practically did during one of Chip's 'loving around in Chicago' vids. DedSec briefly takes over the public broadcasting stations, and literally say "Wake up, people." in the middle of a warning about the dangers of CToS.
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That privacy invasion was loving amazing. I can't believe you made one even better than the entire game ever could (though racy grandma was pretty drat close). R.I.P Ironicus, you were the best Chicagonian I ever knew. chitoryu12 posted:I also can't see it making sense at all that Blume is just able to go "This giant hacking attack on Chicago only proved that ctOS is strong and therefore we're spreading it around the world!" Chicago has spent months or years (who knows how long apps like Aiden's have been available?) having their traffic lights hosed with, fuse boxes and steam pipes exploding, their bank accounts hacked, etc. Combine that with Ded_Sec constantly butting in to spread their message by hacking Jumbotrons, and ctOS should have been an epic PR disaster for Blume. I mean that's that I think the entire point of this game was. Also thanks again for the Chicago history vids Ironicus, those were super rad. I hope there's more of those up to the present day! FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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I'm sad you made it all the way through the game without encountering the random guard who's sexually attracted to musical instruments. Oh well, a fantastic LP anyway.Night10194 posted:It would make him stop being special if other people had the Profiler. He clearly wants basically what Damien wants, just he wants it for his delusions of heroism. Who knows, maybe Watch_Dogs_2 will pull a Prototype and make the villain of the sequel the hero from the first game. To bad that doesn't seem like the story they were setting up during the credits.
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VoidBurger posted:I can't believe nobody used the word "sheeple" in this game. Good thing Mass Effect took the Shepard mantle otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if Aiden was called that instead of the Fox.
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Jan 26, 2016 18:56
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FinalGamer posted:That privacy invasion was loving amazing. I can't believe you made one even better than the entire game ever could (though racy grandma was pretty drat close).
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Jan 26, 2016 19:30
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As we've been talking about the game being too "current" and not going for a further out cyberpunk/more futuristic style, i realized that that's a great way to get around the copious inaccuracies about Chicago, be they from copyright/trademark issues or technical ones. If you can't have a building or sculpture in the city because they're worried about being sued, just redesign some building that's all neon and chrome and poo poo. Then it can actually be an interesting replacement instead of a PIZZA or CHEESEBURGER.
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Jan 26, 2016 19:40
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Watch_Dogs' Chicago is nicknamed the Third City, since it was rebuilt following the meteor strike of 2008.
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Just a meteor strike? You'd think they'd half assedly link it to another ubisoft franchise.
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Jan 26, 2016 20:27
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The tv show Person of Interest focuses around an ex special forces agent who speaks in a gravelly near whisper all the time, and an elite hacker with a limp who gain access to a system they call "The Machine" which see everything in New York and can predict crimes before they happen. They use the machine to spy on the officials and higher ups, catch them with cartels and stuff and show that even the cops are corrupt. It seems they smudged the margins a little bit to avoid a lawsuit.
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SpookyLizard posted:Just a meteor strike? You'd think they'd half assedly link it to another ubisoft franchise. It was destroyed by the templars. Wake up, sheeple, meteors can't break steel cities.
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zedprime posted:I think you're putting a little too much stock in the Chicago thing. I mean its like a really thin veneer of Americacity, USA they tried calling Chicago applied over Montreal. Pawnee is 5 minutes away, in the mountains. Montreal doesn't look or feel like Watch_Dog city.
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Jan 26, 2016 22:03
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A good amount of Watch_Dogs Chicago (like the ever-present newsstands and tiny islands dotting the waterways) is very NYC.
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Jan 26, 2016 22:14
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chitoryu12 posted:A good amount of Watch_Dogs Chicago (like the ever-present newsstands and tiny islands dotting the waterways) is very NYC. Maybe its fairest to call it franken-North America everycity, because lets face it, after it came out of the blender it doesn't really feel like any one place in particular.
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Jan 26, 2016 22:20
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Jan 26, 2016 22:28
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Thank you for slogging through this bad game. In future Chicago history segments, I'd like to hear about how Chicago is depicted in movies and television(and how accurate or inaccurate the depictions are). Maybe an episode about music and musicians that are connected to the city.
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Jan 26, 2016 22:30
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zedprime posted:You know where else has tiny islands in waterways and is a stones throw from mountains filled with equal parts hillbillies and punk artists? Montreal. No? Montreal is one island, and Mount-Royal is on the island itself and part of the city. It is where all the artist types live though. Like, there's Laval which is both the neighboring island and the neighboring city/giant suburb and then there's the two tiny islands with the amusement parc and the casino, but Montreal isn't a mess of tiny islands, it's one big island.
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You realise, of course, that once reliable, almost infallible MIND CONTROL has been introduced into a plot, the bad guys have already won? Of course nobody questions ctOS being the best thing ever, because THE BAD GUYS HAVE MIND CONTROL. Of course literally nobody gives a poo poo about Blume having mind control, because THEY HAVE MIND CONTROL. But perhaps that's giving the writers too much credit.
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Scalding Coffee posted:All those news segments and it conveniently ignores the public's reaction to any of it. Chicago must be dead inside, like Aiden. Look, they WOULD have had something to say about it but some celebrity showed her nipple and that took a whole 24-hour news cycle to cover properly.
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Zortzico posted:The tv show Person of Interest focuses around an ex special forces agent who speaks in a gravelly near whisper all the time, and an elite hacker with a limp who gain access to a system they call "The Machine" which see everything in New York and can predict crimes before they happen. They use the machine to spy on the officials and higher ups, catch them with cartels and stuff and show that even the cops are corrupt. AND a rescue dog. Bear is an important member of the cast. "This guy stole my dog!" "Let's be honest, the dog wanted to leave."
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Dabir posted:You realise, of course, that once reliable, almost infallible MIND CONTROL has been introduced into a plot, the bad guys have already won? Of course nobody questions ctOS being the best thing ever, because THE BAD GUYS HAVE MIND CONTROL. Of course literally nobody gives a poo poo about Blume having mind control, because THEY HAVE MIND CONTROL. It honestly would be kind of interesting if that's actually what the background to W_D2 is. Your main goal in the game: Find a way to break the mind-control everyone's been put under, but the protagonists are immune to/become aware of for whatever reason.
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Jan 26, 2016 23:41
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Hey, I found a much more palpable ending to Watch_Dogs. 
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MonsieurChoc posted:No? Montreal is one island, and Mount-Royal is on the island itself and part of the city. It is where all the artist types live though.  and this mirrored Watch Dogs map looks suspiciously like following his presidential triumph, Donald Trump dropped downtown Chicago on top of Montreal because he felt Trump Tower needed a change of scenery.  Although to stop pressing my joke, NYC fills the mold too. Just sure as hell not Chicago.
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Jan 27, 2016 00:07
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Pokemon Black and White take place in Watch_Dogs' Chicago.
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This last set of updates was so dang good! Your special privacy invasion was super great.
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Jan 27, 2016 00:27
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This makes Jordi the true hero.
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Okay, so I'm guessing Blume decided to knock off two of its problems at once? I suppose it's something that he wasn't hired by loving Damien of all people. Still terrible business practice, Jordi. Now no one's gonna hire you if word of that betrayal gets leaked.
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