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1: B. Let these nutjobs come out from under their white hoods to nominate a moonbat nutjob, someone we can kick the rear end of in our spare time while actually running the country during the next year. Nelson can find other ways to help the GOP, but the best thing for the country is making sure we get another four years by any means necessary. 2: D. War on Communism. We've seen that Vietnam is probably going to go pear-shaped and at some point Robert's going to kick over a couple more rocks in his futile search for vengeance that'll point towards Communists being behind his brother's untimely death, and if we need to plant those rocks so be it. Health care and ending racism and poverty and all that is great but if we don't stop the Reds we'll all be equal as we wait in the bread lines for our daily gruel. Crush Communism now and secure Democracy worldwide and then we can try and fix our problems, which shouldn't be that hard I mean racism could probably be solved in an afternoon, maybe a long weekend at the most.
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B A Don't get me wrong I want us to focus on increasing the opportunities for our most disenfranchised americans; but I feel the best route to accomplishing the goal is to propose the plan as a blanket cure for any poverty in the nation. This way when opponents try to paint us as favoring one race or another we can retort that we are just fighting poverty and that wherever the most poverty is will obviously require the most effort to combat it. Definitely design the programs to apply more-so to the racially disenfranchised but for gods sake keep mum about it.
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C. Everett Koop posted:2: D. War on Communism. We've seen that Vietnam is probably going to go pear-shaped and at some point Robert's going to kick over a couple more rocks in his futile search for vengeance that'll point towards Communists being behind his brother's untimely death, and if we need to plant those rocks so be it. Health care and ending racism and poverty and all that is great but if we don't stop the Reds we'll all be equal as we wait in the bread lines for our daily gruel. Crush Communism now and secure Democracy worldwide and then we can try and fix our problems, which shouldn't be that hard I mean racism could probably be solved in an afternoon, maybe a long weekend at the most. *adds you to the gulag list*
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:B. We should do no favors for the Republican Party. This guy knows what he's talking about.
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uberkeyzer posted:This is a fantastic thread that finally pushed me to read the Caro biographies, which own. Caro's books are the absolute best, if you have any interest at all in the man you should read them. The story of Johnson's first fight for his Senate seat is incredible - he won through grit, ingenuity, and a lot of cheating. It's also the most measured take on LBJ, the other biographies I've read are a little too complimentary and take Johnson at his word too often. Everything Johnson said or did had a purpose to it. don Jaime posted:I'm trying to put together a similar thread to go between updates here, but Jesus, this is a lot harder than I realized, especially without a source as good as Caro. We really need to thank rakovsky, this thing is a big chore to produce. Yeah I don't like having the updates this far apart and will try to keep them coming at a faster pace but then there's life too. I don't know that you need to dive into such great detail as this one is, at our current rate we'll get to 1968 in like slightly less than a year. Something that ran through say, Hamilton's, life at a faster speed could be cool.
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rakovsky maybe posted:Caro's books are the absolute best, if you have any interest at all in the man you should read them. The story of Johnson's first fight for his Senate seat is incredible - he won through grit, ingenuity, and a lot of cheating. It's also the most measured take on LBJ, the other biographies I've read are a little too complimentary and take Johnson at his word too often. Everything Johnson said or did had a purpose to it. What will you use for a source once The Passage of Power is finished?
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Corek posted:What will you use for a source once The Passage of Power is finished? The Triumph and Tragedy of Lyndon Johnson by Joseph Califano Jr., who was basically LBJ's top domestic aide. He started in 1965 and worked on a lot of Great Society legislation and so his book focuses primarily on that, though obviously the increasing strain of Vietnam on those programs plays a major role as well. He was there while the torturous decision not to run in 1968 was being made. Good not just for funny stories about LBJ being crass but also how completely the Great Society altered the US. Tons of things you might not think of - truth in advertising, truth in lending, child safe bottle caps, home rule for Washington DC, VISTA (now folded into Americorps) - came out of the second term. Not to mention the obvious ones that still have an effect today: food stamps, medicare, medicaid. Lyndon Johnson and the American Dream by Doris Kearns Goodwin is about Lyndon Johnson's whole life. Obviously she can't get as in depth as Caro because it is about 400 pages instead of the 3000(ish?) Caro has written without even getting to the second term. She was also very close to Johnson later in his life when (IMO) he was motivated to try and manipulate his historical legacy. She records a lot of his stories verbatim, though always saying they might be fiction, and personally I find it difficult to see the real LBJ through this. She also has her own personal psychological theories about the man that intrude on the narrative quite a bit. I am probably biased by having read Caro first though. I also imagine as we diverge increasingly from history I'll rely less on written biographies and more on general historical knowledge of the time period.
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1. A; we respect Rockefeller and he's a good friend, but we really shouldn't be meddling in the affairs of the other party covertly. Plus Goldwater is a total clown and we could defeat him in our sleep. 2. A. Racism is a problem we'll need to fix, but we've already devoted a lot of political capital to the passage of the Civil Rights Act. We need to ensure everyone feels the warm fuzzy glow of the Great Society, not just the most downtrodden.
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1.) C: Do the Republicans no favors does mean cutting Rockefeller out, unfortunately. It does not mean we can't continue to feed him some level of resources. Use some of our clout to keep him in the race long enough that both Rockeller and Goldwater beat each other in a messy primary contest. Pre-1980 primary contests were still a mess loaded with back-dealing, petty patronage politics, and seven other kinds of fracas that could split a major party ticket in two, weakening both sides more. 2.) A w/ D: War on poverty can continue to be driven by economic reforms and federal support for eliminating unemployment without the overly expensive and divisive policies of the full War on Poverty at it occur in our timeline. Combine these efforts with continued civil rights reform, which will strengthen our options in both causes rather than creating two massive domestic issues for the administration to juggle. After all, the South continues to lag behind other areas of the country and poverty reduction efforts will disproportionately impact the entire region. The D part of this option focuses on splitting some of the resources into foreign policy, which cannot be neglected during the Cold War. Shift resources into NASA to better equip them for the space race. Despite early Soviet successes, the Cosmodrome is a news vacuum more often than not. It could be the Soviet New Man and his science are not adapting to life beyond Earth as they would have us believe. We can afford to spend resources here; Soviet central planning means they will have to make reductions elsewhere. Without the albatross of Vietnam, our foreign policy options are more diverse than anything Kennedy could muster and can take place while still leaving resources at home. There are three key pillars we need to pursue with some of these resources (though it is doubtful the DoD needs more funding.) *Decolonization: Pursue a more proactive approach that includes some support for European efforts. The ultimate goal can still be the end of the colonial governments, but US support and mediation means the possible disastrous footprint of the European swing to divide and quit (borrowing the British term for a broader context) can not reach the free-fall levels that resulted in civil wars, communists insurgents, and Soviet/Cuban-backed regimes popping up throughout the southern hemisphere. It will mean less need to storm every part of the globe with a mixture of the CIA, the Army, the Marines, the Navy, and whoever else is on hand to be thrown around. *Europe: Continue to build support in Europe and strengthen NATO. While taxing the Soviets elsewhere, we can force them to keep a huge presence on the Continent. Something will break and continuing the economic support for the Continent (if not the dollar amount) started by the Marshall Plan closer to two decades ago is cheap good will. *East Asia: There are too many reports of discontent between Moscow and Beijing to be ignored. At least some of the rumours must be credible. We should survey the situation, see what can be done, and determine if Indochina was just a smokescreen for a much greater divide in the Second World. Deestabilizing Sino-Soviet relations, or possibly the PRC itself, is too great an opportunity to pass up. Without their Soviet backers, it is entirely possibly Mao and his gang of thugs could turn the entirety of the Middle Kingdom into a wreck that, under the right circumstances, may be willing to look across the strait for a new, sane set of benefactors.
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1) A. We should have a supporter in the Republican party. 2) A with C. Fight poverty but put an emphasis on helping rural blacks through education such as targeted college scholarships and subsidies, welfare, and using the Justice Department to target flagrant abuses in inequities in voter access.
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Quorum posted:1. A; we respect Rockefeller and he's a good friend, but we really shouldn't be meddling in the affairs of the other party covertly. Plus Goldwater is a total clown and we could defeat him in our sleep. This.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:B. We should do no favors for the Republican Party. B A with some C In other stuff: Quorum posted:1. A; we respect Rockefeller and he's a good friend, but we really shouldn't be meddling in the affairs of the other party covertly. Plus Goldwater is a total clown and we could defeat him in our sleep. E: Note that Quorum said they changed their 1A vote to 1B instead, as did John Dough. fade5 has issued a correction as of 20:13 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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Changing my 1A vote to B since that's actually the one not giving Rockefeller support.
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Vote update - Not backing Rockefeller (1B) currently leads by exactly 1 vote - War on Poverty (2A) currently leads by a landslide
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2: War on the Republican Party It has become clear to all rational observers that by even considering a man like Barry Goldwater as their candidate for president, the Republican Party has gone off the deep end and cannot be trusted to operate within the constitutional confines of the United States. During our State of the Union, we will declare a state of emergency for the foreseeable future and announce that the Capitol Building is surrounded by the National Guard, who have been ordered to take every Republican into custody for the good of the country. The 1964 election will proceed as planned but the Republican Party will be banned from running candidates and all voters currently registered as members of the Republican Party will be banned from voting until the state of emergency is over. Then use our new Congressional supermajority to pass universal healthcare, mincome, affirmative action, and a host of other socialist programs.
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Outrail posted:With a long enough pair of bootstraps, anyone can be CEO. I'll vote for the Golden Bee I mean, I'd love to play Virtual TN-C simulator, but this is four years before Plato's Stepchildren came out. Basic access to doctors is an easier pitch than "break up redlining practices and reform prison labor."
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Rako, what will you do if we decide to go totally off the rails and declare war on Canada/the UK/Pitcairn Island or the like?
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Valinon posted:1.) C: Do the Republicans no favors does mean cutting Rockefeller out, unfortunately. It does not mean we can't continue to feed him some level of resources. Use some of our clout to keep him in the race long enough that both Rockeller and Goldwater beat each other in a messy primary contest. Pre-1980 primary contests were still a mess loaded with back-dealing, petty patronage politics, and seven other kinds of fracas that could split a major party ticket in two, weakening both sides more. This
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Outrail posted:Rako, what will you do if we decide to go totally off the rails and declare war on Canada/the UK/Pitcairn Island or the like? I'm seriously anticipating something like this to happen during the Six Day War. I guess I'm largely trusting the Goonocracy not to be too insane while also usually limiting the available options to what seems realistic. If "attack Canada" seriously won I would go with it but the consequences (impeachment? Military coup?) would also play out and the CYOA would probably end. It would be hilarious though. Mind you that I actually keep track of a couple of variables, Cold War tension being one of them. Though it never really came close during his historical Presidency, goons could get us into a nuclear crisis or even war.
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rakovsky maybe posted:I'm seriously anticipating something like this to happen during the Six Day War. I guess I'm largely trusting the Goonocracy not to be too insane while also usually limiting the available options to what seems realistic. If "attack Canada" seriously won I would go with it but the consequences (impeachment? Military coup?) would also play out and the CYOA would probably end. It would be hilarious though. Voting for D: OP rakovsky maybe creates a "Tension Meter" image.
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DrSunshine posted:Voting for D: OP rakovsky maybe creates a "Tension Meter" image. Be realistic, in this thread goons have no interest in meters other than the Jumbo Status Tracker (including hot stats on the daily probability of us just whipping it out).
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Be realistic, in this thread goons have no interest in meters other than the Jumbo Status Tracker (including hot stats on the daily probability of us just whipping it out). Yeah if we want to have some kind of graphic a "Jumbo-Meter" that let us know how LBJ's Balls are feeling about our recent decisions would be pretty sweet. I like balls is pretty much what I am saying.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Be realistic, in this thread goons have no interest in meters other than the Jumbo Status Tracker (including hot stats on the daily probability of us just whipping it out). TBH I would do everything possible to raise the tension level. 
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Paper With Lines posted:TBH I would do everything possible to raise the tension level. I like that the game assumes it's an accident.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Be realistic, in this thread goons have no interest in meters other than the Jumbo Status Tracker (including hot stats on the daily probability of us just whipping it out). Press X to Ask Jumbo
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Wonderful idea for side thread: You are Ronald Reagan. It is November 5th, 1980, the night after the elections, which you won. You suddenly want to do a 180 shift in policies/ideologies and act like a liberal rather than a, well, Reaganite. You start planning your new policies accordingly... What do you do?
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Grouchio posted:Wonderful idea for side thread: You are Ronald Reagan. It is November 5th, 1980, the night after the elections, which you won. Seppuku is the classic answer.
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Grouchio posted:Wonderful idea for side thread: You are Ronald Reagan. It is November 5th, 1980, the night after the elections, which you won. Sounds like I better finish the first post and get it posted sometime tonight, is what I do.
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fade5 posted:I like this vote, I like it a lot. Same here: Uh yeah whoops. I may have written my post on negative caffeine. Changing my vote in re: 1 to B, which better reflects my intent.
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A - This will backfire so bad. But I gotta support my friend (whose name I like). A - The ink on the Civil Rights Act isn't even dry yet so lets hold off on C or the South may decide to secceed again. nelson has issued a correction as of 06:40 on Feb 4, 2016 |
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