IronicDongz posted:

Movement is weighty and deliberate but if you can use the momentum you can build up a lot of speed. You have few movement options, but they're all fairly important, and there's a lot of depth to getting around the map and approaching enemies. Gunplay is super satisfying and they got the exact right balance of projectile travel time+player size on screen to make out-aiming your opponent difficult, but not frustrating.

Michaellaneous posted:

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Michaellaneous posted:

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Jusupov posted:

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nerdz posted:

To be honest I believe they're getting close to a good thing with melee weapons, as in they can't be simple weapons at all. They need shockwaves, dashes, blinks and other exclusive special abilities like stealth camo, for example. Fallout 4 made melee weapons ridiculously viable by buffing the melee stealth damage, making stealth even more effective to get close and adding blink attacks.

Another thing melee weapons could do by default is repel projectiles (maybe only works if your melee weapon damage per swing is higher than the projectile) so you could avoid some damage and still keep the offensive by approaching while swinging.

It doesn't need to be realistic but it at least should be fun.

Ahundredbux posted:

At least they offer no questions asked refunds

Jusupov posted:

LordZoric posted:

https://twitter.com/tiyuri/status/249881891258380288

Section Z posted:

Too many instant shotgun blast attacks and rapid fire stream attacks for that to help all that much though. Two handed swords last I checked had an alt fire "block" and that only goes so far even when it works.

I like the IDEA, but NPC ranged attacks are far superior in frequency and capability than what the player has access to most of the time. And instead we're getting things like "Hammers now have a slow windeup animation, because gently caress you for noticing Hammers were the only melee weapon worth a drat at Killing things at your armor tier in less than 3-4 swings".

nerdz posted:

If their problem with melee and ranged is some sort of pvp balancing, perhaps they should look into Awesomenauts for the 2D combat. They have several melee/ranged classes and they sort of work. I don't know how the game is these days but it sorta worked for a game with 2d combat;.

Tengames posted:

bullshit, now their changes take it further away from the most crucial part of SOTN combat

You moved faster backwards

Section Z posted:

Yeah but Awesomeauts (and previously mentioned Soldat) is a game about Multiplayer PvP and... That's it.

As many have said, Starbound is supposed to be an exploration sandbox. But they are focusing on/using as an excuse "PvP balance" for stuff that just makes your half finished primarily PvE game. And even then, if you took the "But PVP!" seriously, there is no actual PvP content beyond "You can attack eachother I guess?"

General mechanics inspiration for "These attacks are not poo poo", maybe. But Tiy would possibly just look at the "Nerf for competitive balance" part of the equation rather than the "Satisfying Gameplay in the first place" part of PvP games even if they were handed a blank check to rip off whichever game they chose.

Like, if they looked at Super Monday Night combat of all things, they'd gravitate towards "Drastically Nerfed jetpack duration on Assault" rather than "This other guy has a sweet lighthing sword, raygun, and teleportation"

Babe Magnet posted:

The FTL-style ship to ship combat was never actually a planned feature, I'm pretty sure. Someone brought up ship combat and one of the devs was like "Yeah that'd be cool" and then they brought up FTL as an example of what Starbound could do and one of the devs was like "Yeah that'd be cool" and that was it.

Rhopunzel posted:

It was semi planned in a "in a few years once we have nothing else to do" sort of way, which was kind of unrealistic. IIRC we talked about it in one of the dev FAQs but it was never a serious goal.

LordZoric posted:

Yeah that makes more sense as a nice-to-have. Was the PvP thing a future planned project too? I remember pitching that concept to a friend of mine to get him interested in Starbound before things went off the rails.

Jackard posted:

did they actually have a design document

Rhopunzel posted:

They might have one now, but the only one I remember was at the very start in 2011, and it resembled a totally different game. The original concept of the game was that you had a (non customisable, but movable) space station that had facilities (the early art I did for it made it into a mod somehow), and you had to find NPCs on planets to man them. Whatever their level was dictated the quality and level of things they could make for you. Actual player crafting was limited to crude survival stuff (torches, bandages, basic food, etc) and everything else would be by NPCs on your space station. There was also a fixed homeworld planet that was supposed to function like Minecraft creative where you were meant to build a colony with materials you found on expeditions. I actually still like that concept better.

IronicDongz posted:

sounds cool. it'd also be cool if "building your own ship" in a game genre that specifically is about building whatever you want with what you find, in a game in space where you fly around in a ship, was not something that was relegated to "well, you can mod it in" status instead of being seen as an obviously important feature that the base game should have

Rhopunzel posted:

Tiy badly wanted block buildable ships and experimented with it but wasn't satisfied with the results. It isn't the same but I did suggest having a pool of different ship designs/shapes you could build instead of tying them all to expanding race ships, but it wasn't pursued because they couldn't find a solution with what to do with existing items when you switched.