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Stealthed Zombie posted:What if Hunter Zoloman turns out to be Zoom Quoting for logic.
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Jan 28, 2016 02:54
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The only problem with it being E1 Jay is that Zoom has been fighting E2 Jay for a couple years, before the breaches ever came to be.
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Jan 28, 2016 02:56
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lotus circle posted:The only problem with it being E1 Jay is that Zoom has been fighting E2 Jay for a couple years, before the breaches ever came to be. Weren't the breaches created by the particle accelerator too? They just didn't know about them.
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Jan 28, 2016 02:59
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Jack of Hearts posted:So what possible Flash consorts are left for Barry to have awful CW relationships with now that Patty is gone? My vote goes to the insane Soviet lady from the comics. Or maybe on a jaunt to Earth-2 Barry can meet Jay's sister Joan, just to make things super weird. They just take people from other cities and Barry has to juggle keeping alt-universe Black Canary from finding out he's the Flash.
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Jan 28, 2016 03:03
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RareAcumen posted:They just take people from other cities and Barry has to juggle keeping alt-universe Black Canary from finding out he's the Flash. I can't wait till Caitlyn gets amnesia in the opening of season 4 and she and Barry start dating, but Team Flash decide it's too dangerous to tell her that Barry is the Flash since the shock might destroy her original personality forever.
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boom boom boom posted:Weren't the breaches created by the particle accelerator too? They just didn't know about them.
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Jan 28, 2016 03:05
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lotus circle posted:The only problem with it being E1 Jay is that Zoom has been fighting E2 Jay for a couple years, before the breaches ever came to be. Also, frankly, that'd be boring as hell. And E2 Wells seemed to suggest he knew who Zoom was prior to the E2 accident; am I misremembering that? I seriously hope it isn't any version of Jay Garrick because that would be so goddamn lame. Show me E2 Joe. Show me alternate-reality Patty, who's a transman on Earth 2. Just not Jay...that'd be silly.
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Jan 28, 2016 03:07
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Xealot posted:Also, frankly, that'd be boring as hell. And E2 Wells seemed to suggest he knew who Zoom was prior to the E2 accident; am I misremembering that? Yes, it's all but outright stated that Wells was working with whoever Zoom was before and might've given him his speed powers. If the E1 Jay is anything but an off-hand reference, it'll probably be that he eventually gets speed powers and becomes the E1 version of Zoom.
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Jan 28, 2016 03:16
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Zoom was a wheelchair ridden friend of The Flash, having just gone through a bad breakup. Zoom is Felicity.
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Jan 28, 2016 03:39
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MonsterEnvy posted:The return of Barry Allen comic gave the reason for Professor Zoom's hatred of Barry. Wow, that is super dumb.
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Jan 28, 2016 04:15
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computer parts posted:Yes, it's all but outright stated that Wells was working with whoever Zoom was before and might've given him his speed powers. Zoom is Earth 2 Crisco.
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Jan 28, 2016 04:27
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Whizbang posted:Zoom is Earth 2 Crisco. That explains how he goes so fast, you just put a fresh coat down and sliiiiiiiide
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Jan 28, 2016 04:52
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I thought the final Patty scene mostly saved it. Obviously I would rather him have just told her because she was cool but if they aren't going to do that then I think they handled it fine. What's up with people in this universe taking the train though? Nobody travels by train in this country.
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Jan 28, 2016 05:25
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Tiggum posted:Wow, that is super dumb. The story is actually really good. Better the me just saying what happened.
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Jan 28, 2016 05:28
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Timett posted:I thought the final Patty scene mostly saved it. Obviously I would rather him have just told her because she was cool but if they aren't going to do that then I think they handled it fine.
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Jan 28, 2016 05:31
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Sober posted:How could Barry possibly speed onto a plane mid-flight in any conceivable way? That's the only reason trains still exist. Um, helicopter arms + phasing?  I do quite like that Barry just casually used phasing twice this episode, almost thought the writers had forgotten about it.
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Jan 28, 2016 05:38
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Timett posted:What's up with people in this universe taking the train though? Nobody travels by train in this country. I take the train all the time
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Jan 28, 2016 06:53
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Whizbang posted:Zoom is Earth 2 Crisco. Seriously, imagining this show if it was consistently as good as Cisco all the time just keeps making me smile. 
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Jan 28, 2016 07:19
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bobkatt013 posted:I take the train all the time Seriously, trains are awesome.
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Jan 28, 2016 07:22
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bobkatt013 posted:I take the train all the time The Boston-to-D.C. corridor is full up with trains. Whenever I'm back on the east coast, I take at least one train. They're awesome.
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Jan 28, 2016 08:22
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Xealot posted:The Boston-to-D.C. corridor is full up with trains. Whenever I'm back on the east coast, I take at least one train. Unless its in Boston last winter, then you are hosed.
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Jan 28, 2016 08:31
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Seems like whomever was writing for Iris last season was accidentally given a chunk of Barry lines for this episode. There were some lines worthy of Smallville here.
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Jan 28, 2016 09:11
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Timett posted:I thought the final Patty scene mostly saved it. Obviously I would rather him have just told her because she was cool but if they aren't going to do that then I think they handled it fine. Subways
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Jan 28, 2016 09:37
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You know that scene with Barry talking to caged up RF, and it ends with him saying "I will find your name, and I will kill you" And then Caitlin comes on the PA "WE NEED YOU IN THE CORTEX NOW" I was really hoping it was going to be "WE NEED YOU IN THE CORTEX NOW, BARRY", as the big door slowly slides own on RF's cage
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Jan 28, 2016 09:40
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It makes me kind of angry that the show is wasting its fantastic cast by just constantly repeating the same mistakes. They STILL don't know what to do with Iris, they're focusing too much on soap opera aspects where characters act unreasonable, they're going in constant circles with plotlines and the same old formula.
bobkatt013 posted:Last season all we really knew at this point was that Wells was Reverse Flash and he was stabby.  I mean, hopefully the fact that it's broken the 2>1>>3 rule of season quality means that The 100 won't take a nosedive...
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Jan 28, 2016 09:41
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On the subject of Jay, one thing is tripping me out. In the comics, isn't Jay (before Crisis poo poo and all that) supposed to be Earth-2 Barry? Like isn't that why they're both The Flash? I thought that was going to be the big twist of this episode. That Jay couldn't find his counterpart because it's Barry Allen. I knew that wouldn't be it because Caitlin has sequenced Barry's DNA enough that she'd recognize if he and Jay had the same, but that would've been a nice shake up of status quo.
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Jan 28, 2016 13:38
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In the comics Earths 1 and 2 aren't as similar as they are in the show. Earth 2 was the Golden Age DC Earth. Since Golden Age Flash was Jay, there's no Barry counterpart. There's a Superman and Batman though, and several others.
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Jan 28, 2016 14:56
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So there is going to be another time loop with Thrawn which will result in Barry going back in time again to stop his past self from saving his mom (that simple shake of the head moment)? This poo poo is confusing.
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Jan 28, 2016 16:34
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LorneReams posted:So there is going to be another time loop with Yes, maybe not this season, but at some point Barry will have to travel back and stop himself from saving mom. I like the idea that S2 Flash brought in Wally because of his relationship with Zoom in the comics. It's ummm, not paying off at all yet, but I hope at some point Wally is involved with stopping Zoom. Race for Speed Force Slips?
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Jan 28, 2016 16:41
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It's a cw show, it's always going to be a cw show and the new EP Gabrielle Stanton used to write for (and produce iirc) Grey's Anatomy before this so if the melodrama really bothers you that much, you should probably drop the show or wait and binge watch seasons because it's not going away for the foreseeable future.
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Jan 28, 2016 17:33
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losonti tokash posted:Seriously, trains are awesome. Counterpoint: non-intraregional trains are awful Why yes, I WOULD like to spend 4x as much as a plane ticket to sit on a bus chair for 4 days instead of getting there in 3 hours
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Jan 28, 2016 19:25
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Azhais posted:Counterpoint: non-intraregional trains are awful Dude. If you're going to travel by train do it right. 1st class sleeper all the way. Private accommodations with foldout bed and food/beverage service. With multiday train trips, it's about the voyage not the destination.
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Jan 28, 2016 19:29
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Also there's like a 90% chance you end up in the middle of a murder mystery or spy caper.
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Aphrodite posted:Also there's like a 90% chance you end up in the middle of a murder mystery or spy caper. https://vimeo.com/36323839
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The best way I thought to explain the RF jump back was that time had to create some sort of closed loop as to not destroy itself.
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It seems like time is both an open and closed loop in the universe. Certain events have to happen in more or less the same way or time throws a hissy fit, but there also seems to be a certain amount of leeway to the specifics of how.
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I dont know posted:It seems like time is both an open and closed loop in the universe. Certain events have to happen in more or less the same way or time throws a hissy fit, but there also seems to be a certain amount of leeway to the specifics of how. The rules of time travel in Flash are pretty loose by the looks of things. Barry cannot change anything to do with his mother's death since it's a fixed point, but he can run back in time by a few days to get as many do-overs as he wants for anything particularly tricky no matter how big or important it should be. You'd imagine the complete destruction of an entire city would be a rather important thing to a time line for instance, and yet Barry has undone that twice now. He's a save-scumming bastard. I'd love to see an episode that has Barry fighting the Reverse Flash where everyone time one of them wins in some manner, the other just runs back in time by a few hours and has a mulligan on the fight so that they win instead.
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tsob posted:The rules of time travel in Flash are pretty loose by the looks of things. Barry cannot change anything to do with his mother's death since it's a fixed point, but he can run back in time by a few days to get as many do-overs as he wants for anything particularly tricky no matter how big or important it should be. You'd imagine the complete destruction of an entire city would be a rather important thing to a time line for instance, and yet Barry has undone that twice now. He's a save-scumming bastard. I'd love to see an episode that has Barry fighting the Reverse Flash where everyone time one of them wins in some manner, the other just runs back in time by a few hours and has a mulligan on the fight so that they win instead. So basically the final fight in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. "Remember the trash can."
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My understanding is that Thawne is a Time Paradox Duplicate, a byproduct of a cauterized timeline.
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