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Zotix posted:Leveled and geared dooku become a threat. Double crit of 3.5k damage is nothing to scoff at. Truth. But leveled and geared Dooku is even worse to attack first unless you can stun him.
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Zotix posted:I just see Sidious usefulness phasing out. He doesn't deal enough damage and his heal block is okay, but I think kylo kind of does it better and I'd trade more damage for the heal block. Are you really getting more damage though? Speed seems like the most important stat in the game since it allows you to go first and attack more often. At max levels, Sid gets his fourth attack when Kylo gets his third and that difference only grows as the fight goes on. I think Kylo's one of the better designed characters in the game but I can't imagine a scenario where he'd do better than Sid.
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Jan 28, 2016 02:48
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Any time you attack him he's likely to counter attack and put a debuff on you. I've had a skilled up kylo throw more healing debuffs around than Sid.
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Jan 28, 2016 02:53
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Speaking of Sid/Kylo, Sid's turn meter gain just saved my rear end in Arena. My Luke got bursted down 1st round after 3 Phasma assists in a row (including 2 from Daka who luckily whiffed both times) and a Sid and Kylo AoE took everyone down to yellow. Sid/Lumi took out Daka, Sid's meter proced and debuffed enemy Lumi who tried to heal herself right away instead of attacking (and would have acted before Sid and likely taken someone out) and let me regain the upper hand and snipe #4. 
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Jan 28, 2016 03:17
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Zotix posted:I was rank 1 yesterday with Daka. My server is filled with big whales too. Also last week when I missed my arena grind one day I didn't fall below rank 20 with her. At 7* she has like 12k life her survivability is great now. I'm not saying she's useless. She's good. But she can be pretty much ignored in arena, at least when I'm on offense, because she does so little damage. Even if she stuns someone, all that does eat up one of your turns (the stun) for one of my turns (the stunned victim), so there's no real gain. And if the stun misses, you lose out on the exchange because I'm running someone like IG88 instead, who will go bonkers with damage. Her low damage is especially problematic if you run multiple low damage characters, like Poggle and Poe.
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Jan 28, 2016 04:53
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Completely anecdotal evidence: Just fought a Daka Geno Sid Lumi Poe team and managed to stun Poe before his taunt with my Daka and slam him down so he wasn't a problem. Then their Daka revived Poe, Lumi went next and healed him back up, then he taunted and it all swiftly went to poo poo. Killed everyone else with only Lumi and Kylo Ren alive and Daka brought back Geno Soldier when her cooldown was up, and then next turn double stunned my Lumi/Kylo. Still made it in the end, but gently caress she is annoying as hell to fight when the RNG hates you (all of the time)
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Jan 28, 2016 05:04
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commish posted:I'm not saying she's useless. She's good. But she can be pretty much ignored in arena, at least when I'm on offense, because she does so little damage. Even if she stuns someone, all that does eat up one of your turns (the stun) for one of my turns (the stunned victim), so there's no real gain. And if the stun misses, you lose out on the exchange because I'm running someone like IG88 instead, who will go bonkers with damage. Her low damage is especially problematic if you run multiple low damage characters, like Poggle and Poe. If she's decently leveled up she has a chance to stun 2 dudes with a single attack, she also passively resurrects dead teammates and actively resurrects them with her heal. I always kill her immediately.
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Jan 28, 2016 06:06
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So I missed being able to do my arena's earlier because of work, so I was knocking them out just now and since the rewards for today passed I was just doing them on auto. Holy loving poo poo the AI is loving retarded. I really don't know if there's a team comp out there that can win consistently against equal characters. My characters we just attacking poo poo completely at random, no focusing AT ALL. Every single attack was at a different person. The one thing that stood out, is how ineffective Sidious really is. When you are talking max gear levels, his healing debuff lands MAYBE 50% of the time, and that's very generous. Other than that, he's absolutely worthless. Completely deadweight. His damage has to be one of the lowest for an attacker. He's definitely getting dropped as soon as I can gear up QGJ.
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Jan 28, 2016 06:43
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I just unlocked Daka, I'm still in the middle of staring Phasma and Sid, I've finally fallen in love with Geonosian Soldier. I don't know if these developers are the type to have "balance" patches that destroy whatever is favorable in the meta, letting flavor of the months rule. Because I have no clue who to be working for then or even if I should abandon my current guys.
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Jan 28, 2016 06:47
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I need about 5 million credits to promote Sid and Lumi and Luke to 7* and get Qui Gon to level 65
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Jan 28, 2016 13:06
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Just spent a cool mill on getting sid to 7 stars. Then levelled to 65. I'm so poor ;[
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Just fought a full rank 60 FO team with Phasma lead and 
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Jan 28, 2016 15:32
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This 45xTraining droid deal just opened up a sucking void in my credit bank  Todays fun GW matchup: lvl 65 tricked out Kylo Ren that hit me for more than 10 000 damage with his special <50% health skill 
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Jan 28, 2016 16:42
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Letting AI Ren use his boosted special is a mistake. Either stun/ability block him, burst him down, or hit him to 60% and refocus after his turn.
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Jan 28, 2016 16:51
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Hard to either stun, ability block or burst him down when he's overleveled compared to you, resists all that poo poo and got more than enough HP to tank most bursts outside of a Leia/FOTP set-up. Still got him, but it was a pain (because of course he came with a full team of 6-7 star lvl 65s).
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Jan 28, 2016 16:54
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I met a Kylo Ren just like that one you are describing today and the only way to deal with him was to target him first and get lucky crits from Luke and Resistance Pilot, twoshotting him. Any other strategy I tried lead to losing characters.
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Jan 28, 2016 16:57
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Zotix posted:So I missed being able to do my arena's earlier because of work, so I was knocking them out just now and since the rewards for today passed I was just doing them on auto. Holy loving poo poo the AI is loving retarded. I really don't know if there's a team comp out there that can win consistently against equal characters. My characters we just attacking poo poo completely at random, no focusing AT ALL. Every single attack was at a different person. The one thing that stood out, is how ineffective Sidious really is. When you are talking max gear levels, his healing debuff lands MAYBE 50% of the time, and that's very generous. Other than that, he's absolutely worthless. Completely deadweight. His damage has to be one of the lowest for an attacker. He's definitely getting dropped as soon as I can gear up QGJ. Arena has that bug where the targeting reticle jumps around for no reason, so maybe that was it? As for Sid, I'm conflicted. His healing debuff is so good when it activates because it lets me focus down a toon without it getting healed up. Sid also get turns very often compared to other guys, and is healed when other toons die, so every time he takes damage in place of another toon its a good thing, because he's about to heal it anyway. On the other hand, whenever I see him on an arena team he's the first guy I focus down for the same reasons(unless Old Daka is there too, if she is, she is the first to go), and he dies very quickly. Mine's 6* gear 7, and he does very reasonable damage, esp since he gets turns so quickly. Maybe yours is lower level/gear?
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Also re:Old Daka, she's a massive MASSIVE threat. At lvl 59 most of the Dakas I see in arena appear to be underleveled and die quickly, but I had this one match yesterday where she soaked up all I threw at her until their Chewie taunted and then she started stunning the poo poo out of my team while their Sid was hitting my guys with healing immunity and everyone else piling on. Lost that round with 4 of their team still standing.
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My sid is 67 7* g8 4p 2.5k damage is weak at that point when some characters are doing 4.5k non crit non buffed. Zotix fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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Jan 28, 2016 19:53
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How are people getting dudes to 7 stars? Doesn't that require 7*50 = 350 or 7*80=560 shards, at a miserably low drop rate? Isn't this game only 6 weeks old, I just don't see how you could amass that many pieces, especially for multiple characters.
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Syrinxx posted:How are people getting dudes to 7 stars? Doesn't that require 7*50 = 350 or 7*80=560 shards, at a miserably low drop rate? Isn't this game only 6 weeks old, I just don't see how you could amass that many pieces, especially for multiple characters. 6 to 7 requires 100 shards. I only got Lumi as 7, but I could have Sid too if I hadn't plowed poo poo into Asajj. GW gets you 15 shards/Day, Arena 10 shards/day. Do the math. Cantina can get you ~5/day of any grindable in there + 5-10 for the cantina shipments (requires plowing some crystals though).
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It's 330 shards total to 7 stars for all characters. I thought weaker (cheaper) characters would upgrade faster, too, when I started, but you just unlock them further along the star progression.
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I just got to the point in my progress where I unlocked dooku, Sid, ig, and luminara within a day of each other, with daka just five shards away. Holy poo poo did this game go from tedious to much more fun. Now to repeat to star them up..l must be a glutton for punishment, but i can't put this down. For anyone that just might be picking it up, stay until at least gw since that's when the game really opens up for resources and fun. So once I level everyone up properly I'm thinking a Luke dooku Sid lum daka team as those will be my strongest characters at the moment. Other than that I have the bare basics, I'll probably gently caress around with the lineup more because even though I read lots of different team compositions here I gotta actually play it out to feel how synergies go. Is there any particular character I should go for now that I've got the minimum foundation of a team going? I'm not entirely sure which direction I should take my team at the moment. Also in arena I've just cracked top thousand at level 49 and others are around 45-50 at 10k power. Does that seem about average? I noticed a sudden difficulty spike after a point, it went from all chewie opponents to phasma/sid/luke/etc leaders quick.
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Zotix posted:My sid is 67 7* g8 4p Agreed. He is still very good to have for GW with his sustain and speed though.
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Mr. Neutron posted:Agreed. He is still very good to have for GW with his sustain and speed though. Until you can get other Heroes to 6-7*, he's going to be one of your all-stars.
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:L posted:Also in arena I've just cracked top thousand at level 49 and others are around 45-50 at 10k power. Does that seem about average? I noticed a sudden difficulty spike after a point, it went from all chewie opponents to phasma/sid/luke/etc leaders quick. I'm in the top 50 most days and there are no non Phasma/Sid/Barris leaders in this rarified air, unless it's a super-whale.
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Rey, QGJ, Poe, Lumi, Sid For fucks sake, that is so mean. My JC at ~10% after the first QGJ + assist (It was Sid, so healing debuff applied.) Luke at 5% after the first Rey attack Poe pushes my team back and taunts Sidious uses his AoE and kills luke and brings JC to the brink. Now it's my turn. Remaining 4 attacks go into trying to bring Poe to 20%, can't heal because the only significantly damages character has a heal debuff. Doh, his turn again! Luminara heals Poe back to ~80% Rey and QGJ combine to kill my Poe Sid kills my JC Poe shoots someone, who cares. Now it's my turn. JC dead Poe dead Luke dead Sidious hits Poe with normal attack Luminara hits Poe with normal attack Doh, his turn again! You know how this ends. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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Chilichimp posted:Rey, QGJ, Poe, Lumi, Sid Yup, your team was out-classed from the beginning, nothing you could've done. It's funny because it's a semi-whale team (Rey QGJ), but still has F2P guys like Lumi and Sid, so must be still working on the rest of his death squad. There are many aggravating abilities in this game but I don't think anything annoys me more than Rey's Leverage, where she smacks you like a mack truck and then gets Foresight so you can't hit her back. You basically need an AOE to deal with her effectively unless you're okay wasting attacks.
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If Boba fetts mandalorian resolve triggers, and he comes back after he dies you will still get 3 stars FYI. Also the ability is hilarious, I just watched him die 4 times in a row and come back every time.
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My team right now is 5* Phasma/7* Sid/7* Lumi with the remaining two slots split between 5* Daka, 6* JC, and 4* GS depending on the situation. I was working on Daka but now with QGJ available I'm working overdrive to get him. Daka I mostly use in GW for her utility, the stuns, heal, and revive. Same goes for JC, decent damage and super short cooldown healing. GS is when I need huge DPS to burst someone down, like a Poe, Rey, FOTP, QGJ, or Daka. With the right assist call GS can almost take out a character on his turn alone, especially if I also proc a Phasma assist. Can't wait to see how this team works with QGJ.
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Just now had Poe+Poggle+Lumi+Sid+Luke in arena just, holy poo poo is that an impossible combination to beat down. That Lumi ability block move while on Poggle's offense up buff took out my 5* 7gear JC in one shot.
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Present posted:Just now had Poe+Poggle+Lumi+Sid+Luke in arena just, holy poo poo is that an impossible combination to beat down. That Lumi ability block move while on Poggle's offense up buff took out my 5* 7gear JC in one shot. Just think, QGJ gives the same buff when he removes enemy buffs, and can call in teammates to attack at +75% damage every other turn. Your GW is about to get real loving silly.
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The biggest thing that's helping me against poe teams is having a maxed 7* full gear Lumi, and a maxed 7* full gear Daka. Heal early if you don't lose someone, and heal again if you take enough damage. That will get you through most of the big cool downs. If someone is at 80% heal with Daka. This works with F2P poe teams. Against huge whales with leias and maxed FOTP you're hosed.
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Zotix posted:The biggest thing that's helping me against poe teams is having a maxed 7* full gear Lumi, and a maxed 7* full gear Daka. Heal early if you don't lose someone, and heal again if you take enough damage. That will get you through most of the big cool downs. If someone is at 80% heal with Daka. This works with F2P poe teams. Against huge whales with leias and maxed FOTP you're hosed. I know that feel. 
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Zotix posted:The biggest thing that's helping me against poe teams is having a maxed 7* full gear Lumi, and a maxed 7* full gear Daka. Heal early if you don't lose someone, and heal again if you take enough damage. That will get you through most of the big cool downs. If someone is at 80% heal with Daka. This works with F2P poe teams. Against huge whales with leias and maxed FOTP you're hosed. I feel like people in this thread really don't give R. Pilot enough credit. A maxed R. Pilot is almost as good as FOTP. My 5*, G8, L65 RP is critting for 5k in GW/Arena. He gets +5% crit and evade, and anytime he crits or evades, he gains 22.5% evasion (this makes him really good with Lumi or Sid as lead). His basic attack has a 55% chance to gain 20% turn meter. His ability has 50% to apply expose, and 65% to gain foresight (guaranteed evade). Basically what I'm saying is that he hits hard, and can hit a lot. I'm at a point where I need to decide if I should keep getting stars for Poggle (I just got him to 4*), or if I should try to get RP to 7*. Since I'm not buying packs, FOTP is going to take a ridiculous amount of time to get to 7* (but I am doing his hard missions - at least the ones I have access to right now), so maxing RP seems like a pretty good idea, to later be replaced by FOTP. However, Poggle's special is so good, so, that might be better worth my time.
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I'm sure R Pilot is good, but I had to prioritize some other characters first. Lumi was number 1, without a doubt. Then I had Phasma from the pack, so I wanted to finish her off. Now I'm working on Poggle, because Poggle. I'll probably start on R Pilot next, and then see what the patch brings in terms of any new GW shipments. On a side note, I'm on the Aayla train now. I swapped out my 6* Dooku for her tonight(She's 6*) as well. First fight I go for the JC over Sidious, because his health was lower. Hit attack, but wasn't so sure it was really the best option, but gently caress it first GW. Their Sidious goes next, AoE attack, Aayla counters for 4.9k and stuns him, and calls in Lumi for an assist on the counter which she hits him for 2.9k. Rest in Pepperoni's Sidious. Sold.
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Zotix posted:I'm sure R Pilot is good, but I had to prioritize some other characters first. Lumi was number 1, without a doubt. Then I had Phasma from the pack, so I wanted to finish her off. Now I'm working on Poggle, because Poggle. I'll probably start on R Pilot next, and then see what the patch brings in terms of any new GW shipments. She sounds fantastic, I'll go farm her... ... ... oh, nevermind.
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She's also one of the easiest to acquire premium only characters. I'm wondering how some of the really rare premium characters are once leveled, starred, and skilled. I'm sure some of the mega whales are sitting on a wealth of knowledge.
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This game's arena system is so loving bullshit. Someone attacked me at 5:53, ending at 5:58, which left me 2 minutes to try to get my last attack in. I went from 5th to 14th place. They really need to fix how that poo poo works. e: I think how they should handle this kind of thing, is change how far down you can attack. For example, if you are 10th or higher, you can only attack someone that is 3 places lower than you. This means that 9th place can only attack 8th, 7th, or 6th. However, 11th through 14th can still attack 9 down. They need to change this so that you can only attack as far down as say 9th if you are above 12th, and then can only climb by 3 from there. As it is, it's just too much BS for anyone that actually gets into the top 5, especially if there's competition during your 6PM slot. Malgrin fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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