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There is a certain logic to it. If you think America's going to beholden to naked corporate greed either way, might as well make sure they know they're voting for it.
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"The liberal media covered my interview with Donald Trump as entertainment because they're afraid to admit Fox News Channel is the most powerful media source in the world!" - Bill O'Reilly
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Radish posted:I was originally writing up a post about how violent resistance is the rational response to a literal holocaust but I don't want to get on some watchlist when it's taken out of context. However the point is that there is no way Walsh REALLY believes that poo poo since all he's willing to do about it is post angrily on twitter. The answer you're going to get from 90+ percent of pro-lifers is that the end doesn't justify the means and administering vigilante justice on an abortion doctor just means there's been 2 murders instead of 1. If you keep pressing the ends justifying the means route from the right, you'll probably get asked if studies about abortion bringing down crime rates should justify the practice from a pro-life perspective. This stochastic terrorism thing might hold more water for the pro-life movement at large if a) they didn't view calling abortion a holocaust as the equivalent of saying "murder is bad" and b) thought it was going to be solved with violence. It's one of the few situations in which mainstream modern conservatives don't think violence can help the situation. Stop speculating with dumb r/atheism-style "checkmate pro-lifer" poo poo that (almost) never reflects their actual beliefs about how they think abortion ought to be brought to an end.
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Jan 29, 2016 02:45
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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DeusExMachinima posted:The answer you're going to get from 90+ percent of pro-lifers is that the end doesn't justify the means and administering vigilante justice on an abortion doctor just means there's been 2 murders instead of 1. If you keep pressing the ends justifying the means route from the right, you'll probably get asked if studies about abortion bringing down crime rates should justify the practice from a pro-life perspective. Yeah pretty much, you can think legally-sanctioned murder is actually going on in America while still thinking that vigilante justice against racist cops (or abortion doctors) isn't the answer. The reason pro-lifers like Matt Walsh are hypocrites isn't because they don't lust for enough blood. It's because the rational course of action to cut the embryo-murder rate is investments in the most effective known methods: contraceptives, sex education, and natal care; we're stopping literal murders according to them, whether a woman might have guilt-free sex shouldn't be any concern in comparison to that.
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Jan 29, 2016 02:59
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DeusExMachinima posted:The answer you're going to get from 90+ percent of pro-lifers is that the end doesn't justify the means and administering vigilante justice on an abortion doctor just means there's been 2 murders instead of 1. If you keep pressing the ends justifying the means route from the right, you'll probably get asked if studies about abortion bringing down crime rates should justify the practice from a pro-life perspective. That's sorta a problem there. A lot of people for abortion rights want to have moral clarity and rhetorical punch. "The beginning of human life and when the right to exist begins is a complex philosophical question without any clear lines, but the harm done to women by restricting abortion rights is very clear and demonstrable so priority goes to preventing that", while both true and important, isn't really satisfying in the way of the relatively nonsensical and transparent "either you're a monster because you want to murder doctors or you're a monster because you don't want to murder doctors." Much like the similar "either you're a monster because you don't make rape exceptions, or you're a monster because you want teenage girls to carry rape babies" argument. VitalSigns posted:The reason pro-lifers like Matt Walsh are hypocrites isn't because they don't lust for enough blood. It's because the rational course of action to cut the embryo-murder rate is investments in the most effective known methods: contraceptives, sex education, and natal care; we're stopping literal murders according to them, whether a woman might have guilt-free sex shouldn't be any concern in comparison to that. This on the other hand is spot-on. People who are are anti-abortion but are also for all the problems that make abortion necessary can be called out on that. Likewise the ones that get angry at abortion but ignore fertility clinics destroying embryos. These are strong arguments, and honest ones.
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Georgia state rep: KKK made people 'straighten up'quote:Benton, a retired middle school history teacher, equates Confederate leaders with the American revolutionaries of the 18th century — fighting a tyrannical government for political independence. quote:Benton said there are two sides to that story as well. The Klan “was not so much a racist thing but a vigilante thing to keep law and order,” he said. quote:Benton has another bill, House Bill 854, which would require streets named in honor of veterans that have been renamed since 1968 revert back to their original names. That bill has no cosponsors and — for both political and practical reasons — is unlikely to get a hearing, but were it to pass it would result in a portion of Martin Luther King Boulevard revert back to its original name, Gordon Road. King was assassinated in 1968. The Gordon, of course, was a Confederate general
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The FBI released video of the shooting on that Oregon militia man. Just a fair warning this is a video of a man being killed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ&t=495s To me it does look like he was reaching for a gun when he was shot.
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah pretty much, you can think legally-sanctioned murder is actually going on in America while still thinking that vigilante justice against racist cops (or abortion doctors) isn't the answer. Yeah this is a more solid approach IMO. Point out that they're making someone not doing something they don't like thanks to contraceptives a higher priority than actually reducing abortion numbers. Shalebridge Cradle posted:The FBI released video of the shooting on that Oregon militia man. I cannot believe the FBI's official Youtube channel is just called "fbi" no caps. It's like everything about social media distilled into one sentence. As for the dead guy, his hands were up at first and then they weren't. I hope the courts have bodycam from the officers because that'd be much, much clearer but I'm pretty sure this was a good shoot as things stand right now.
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:The FBI released video of the shooting on that Oregon militia man. Man, am I crazy or did one of the agents at the road block either get hit by the car or come dangerously loving close? At the last second when he blasted through the snow berm there was a guy right there, and when it refocused it looked like he was on the ground.
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:The FBI released video of the shooting on that Oregon militia man. Why would he have had his hands all over his sides if he wasn't trying to get something out. Pretty sure he was reaching for a gun or being incredibly stupid. He was literally surrounded and knew it. It does come off as execution-y though. Sad. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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LeeMajors posted:Man, am I crazy or did one of the agents at the road block either get hit by the car or come dangerously loving close? At the last second when he blasted through the snow berm there was a guy right there, and when it refocused it looked like he was on the ground. That agent on the ground almost ate it, for sure. The quality/resolution of the video is so bad that it looks like most of the cops are in short sleeves.
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Looked to me like he reached for his gun, kept his hand there, and turned around because he noticed someone behind him while keeping his hand on his gun. After, of course, running a blockade and almost nailing an agent. Of course he got iced
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Jan 29, 2016 07:38
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I'd almost pay cash money for someone to edit clips of all the horrible things GOP candidates have said over this election cycle and put them over various clips of "The Legion of Doom". I think Lex Luthor would definitely be Trump. anyone have any skill in that category? FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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The best part about that is, Krauthammer is one of those conservatives with an actual sense of humour, so he probably did that just to gently caress with her 
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Jan 29, 2016 08:42
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Why would he have had his hands all over his sides if he wasn't trying to get something out. Pretty sure he was reaching for a gun or being incredibly stupid. He was literally surrounded and knew it. It does come off as execution-y though. Sad. so if he was intending to get shot why did he leave the wildlife refuge
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Jan 29, 2016 08:50
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FuzzySkinner posted:I think Lex Luthor would definitely be Trump. Lex Luthor is smart though. That's why he actually got to be president.
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beatlegs posted:Any Republican in the white house would mean we're hosed. They'd control everything. Yes, but this is what accelerationists want; in the naive belief that The American People™ are actually rational, critical thinking beings (albeit misguided), and will wake up as soon as the only channel they trust (  ) shows just how bad the GOP were alllll along.Just you wait and see! They'll never vote for them again after eight years of that! 
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:Lex Luthor is smart though. That's why he actually got to be president. Luthor is just trying to protect us from illegal aliens by building a wall made of kryptonite.
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Jan 29, 2016 09:56
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FuzzySkinner posted:healthcare (allegedly he's for single payer, though he could be full of poo poo) I would laugh my rear end off if Trump became president and launched single-payer healthcare and conservative voters got thrilled and rallied behind it. I'd cry a lot, too, but I'd also laugh.
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Mister Macys posted:Yes, but this is what accelerationists want; in the naive belief that The American People™ are actually rational, critical thinking beings (albeit misguided), and will wake up as soon as the only channel they trust ( But its loving true though.
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I posted this in the GBS thread about the Bundy hicks regarding the shooting of that domestic terrorist, but it's probably more appropriate here: The part about how he was shot because he was reaching for a loaded gun to kill cops is buried in literally the last sentence in the second-to-last section in the CNN article. "Liberal media."
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Jan 29, 2016 14:52
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happyhippy posted:But its loving true though. It's not because the GOP have mastered the art of blame shifting and their base would rather believe that we just need to cut taxes again than admit they were wrong. See everything going on with Flint for reference.
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Hazo posted:I posted this in the GBS thread about the Bundy hicks regarding the shooting of that domestic terrorist, but it's probably more appropriate here: So we have definitive video that he did try to bypass the blockade by speeding around it, nearly nailed an officer in the process, and while he did have his hands up at one point, there was no "on his knees, execution style" killing scenario that was widely circulated among the SovCits. I mean, this video will change nothing in the minds of people who already believe the feds are the real terrorists, and will probably reinforce it simply because it does show police killing a man, but I'm glad it's out there. It definitely does look like he's reaching for something. "He had a gun" is a pretty common cop line after they shoot someone, but given the circumstances, and the previous rhetoric from this guy beforehand, I'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt here. I still think it's a shame the guy had to go and get killed. It would have burned his rear end so much more if he spent the rest of his life behind bars after swearing they'd never take him alive.
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Nevvy Z posted:It's not because the GOP have mastered the art of blame shifting and their base would rather believe that we just need to cut taxes again than admit they were wrong. Also you can't underestimate the self destructive power of American white supremacy. Regressive poo poo heads will put up with living in a mud hut as long as black people don't have a mud hut, women are property, and it's legal to hunt gays.
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DeusExMachinima posted:The answer you're going to get from 90+ percent of pro-lifers is that the end doesn't justify the means and administering vigilante justice on an abortion doctor just means there's been 2 murders instead of 1. If you keep pressing the ends justifying the means route from the right, you'll probably get asked if studies about abortion bringing down crime rates should justify the practice from a pro-life perspective. To me it's not about saving a life by killing one based on their rhetoric. They are literally talking about millions of people being ground up to be sold on the black market. They supposedly believe Soylent Green is real but happening on a much larger scale. I just don't see how you could function in society if you truly believe that is happening. It's less about being hypocritical and more about them just using opposition to abortion as a way to oppress certain people and the messaging getting crazier and crazier as time goes on. I can believe that people can be opposed to abortion on personal moral grounds but when you have people like Walsh talking about holocausts and Nazi parallels it gets into a territory where I just can't see them actually believing it. That's just my opinion on it and is probably wrong.
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Leofish posted:It definitely does look like he's reaching for something. "He had a gun" is a pretty common cop line after they shoot someone, but given the circumstances, and the previous rhetoric from this guy beforehand, I'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt here.
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Hazo posted:They found a loaded gun in the pocket he kept reaching for. Yeah, I saw the report on that. What I'm saying is police have alleged to have found weapons on people they've killed in the past and circumstances bear the facts out differently. In this case, I'm willing to believe the man did, in fact, have a loaded gun on him, because of who he is, what he was a part of, and what he had been saying and doing prior to his death. That's what I meant about benefit of the doubt. Maybe I worded it wrong.
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Hazo posted:They found a loaded gun in the pocket he kept reaching for. Planted by the FBI, you mean. 
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Why don't people realize that of course Trump is a puppet on strings. The strings are made of money. Who controls Trumps money? The Banks, the owners of all his real estate, his shareholders, etc. It's literally a corporation becoming a president. Not accountable to any of the public, only those who control his money.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Rick Perlstein, of Nixonland fame, dropped "ethnic cleansing" on Trump in a Slate interview recently in reference to his deportation plans. Link?
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happyhippy posted:But its loving true though. I hate to break it to you, but people will still call the Cubs their favorite baseball team no matter how lovely they stay in history. People have picked their sports teams, and they'll stick with them, no matter how bad they are.
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I dunno. I think the US is a brutal imperialist state. I know that many of the products I use are made by slave labor and while I try to avoid them as much as possible, I still benefit from the pentagonized state. That also applies to white cismale privilege too. I know that capitalism is a rigged game that concentrates wealth and disenfrachises people even within the pentagonized state. But I'm not starting a communist splinter cell or trying to terrorize capitalists. You can believe a system is murderously evil while still partaking in it and not going full crazy. I imagine anti abortion people feel similarly.
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Pueidist posted:so if he was intending to get shot why did he leave the wildlife refuge The FBI had been letting those guys basically come and go pretty freely close to the refuge to that point so they were probably emboldened by the hands off approach. They were supposedly heading to some meeting with like minded folks 100 miles away so the FBI saw their chance to arrest the leaders in a remote area far away from all the other gun carrying crazies. I don't think LaVoy was intending to die as his end game to the overall situation but he did make bold proclamations about how he wouldn't be taken alive if they came to arrest him because he wasn't going to spend the rest of his live in a concrete box. He also came across as one of the true believers of the whole situations and not just a random guy willing to pile on with everyone else when the situation is good but gets cold feet when things don't work out.
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I saw this exchange yesterday in the other thread, and was like  but  at the same time:quote:Lotka Volterra posted:
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KomradeX posted:Link? I'm om my phone but search for slate, perlstein and trump and it'll come up.
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Fried Watermelon posted:Why don't people realize that of course Trump is a puppet on strings. But he's rich and can't be bought! 
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Out of morbid curiosity, has everyone's favorite tinfoil seller Alex Jones commented on the Flint water crisis yet?
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Mister Macys posted:Out of morbid curiosity, has everyone's favorite tinfoil seller Alex Jones commented on the Flint water crisis yet? It was lead, not fluoride, so no.
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