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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Brooke is really old and has been around the world for a long time (eg knew about Roger when he was a rookie), so I don't think it's necessary for him to have a personal connection to the Vinsmokes to be aware of their existence. there's not really any reason he'd avoid speaking up on the issue when he knew it would come out anyway otherwise which was made very clear
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dordreff posted:I'm looking forward to when we find out why the government wants a member of a famous assassin group "alive only". There's gotta be some real poo poo going on there. 1. The Vinsmoke family are personal assassins to the government. Is a job too much for even a Cipher Pol team? Call the Vinsmokes. Thus, the government would want Sanji alive so they can cut a deal with him to rejoin the family business. 2. The Vinsmoke family are connected all over the place and are leaning on the WG to spare their long-lost son, OR someone in the WG *is* secretly (or openly, we don't know how the Vinsmokes are seen outside of the pirate world yet) a member of the Vinsmoke family using their power to have Sanji spared from prison/execution. 3. The longshot theory is that whatever incident caused Sanji to flee North Blue is connected to the government. Perhaps young Sanji witnessed (or had a role in) a political assassination that failed, and the government wants to know what Sanji saw or did.
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dordreff posted:I'm looking forward to when we find out why the government wants a member of a famous assassin group "alive only". There's gotta be some real poo poo going on there. I'm intrigued that they've mentioned Sanji's transit of the Red Line twice now. I kind of hope we get a flashback that covers some of that, as I'm really curious about what it's like on the Red Line. On a world covered by ocean and archipelagos, the Red Line is the only proper "continent" but we've got no indication people live there at all outside of Mariejois.
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Eiba posted:Now that is an interesting question. I see a couple possibilities. Either the World Government employs them... or the World Government is scared of them (or both). What if the Vinsmokes are employed on the black market to assassinate Celestial Dragons? This is a much more interesting twist than Sanji being a noble, IMO.
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Something I was thinking about earlier, Sanji shouldn't feel bad about hiding his past from the rest of the SH crew because nearly all of them have done it. Luffy never told his crew about the fact that he had an adopted brother who is Gold Roger's son (even though he told a ship of strangers/former enemies), or that his grandfather was a famous high ranking marine. Zoro has never said anything about his family. Nami was introduced to the crew as a spy for the Arlong Pirates. We also don't know anything about her past pre-Bellamere (I've always thought there was some backstory to Nami's weather reading ability). Robin didn't tell anyone about her backstory until they had CP9 breathing down their necks. Franky's parents were pirates, which you know is gonna come up again sooner or later (why mention it otherwise). Brook hasn't said anything about his life pre-Rumbar pirates, except for that he was some sort of military officer in a certain kingdom, you know that's gonna come up at some point. The only people who have been 100% honest about their pasts are Chopper and (surprisingly) Usopp.
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DeadBonesBrook posted:Something I was thinking about earlier, Sanji shouldn't feel bad about hiding his past from the rest of the SH crew because nearly all of them have done it. Luffy didnt really know who "Garp the Hero" really was. To him, Garp was just some marine.
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DeadBonesBrook posted:The only people who have been 100% honest about their pasts are Chopper and (surprisingly) Usopp. Chopper never mentioned what happened when he ate 3 Rumble Balls.
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None of them hide it, they just don't talk about it because to them it's not really relevant. Right up to the point that it is. They don't pry in to each other's past and they don't expect that the others will pry in to theirs either. So I doubt Sanji feels bad about it, or that the others will hassle him about doing so.
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Jose posted:if the celestial dragons would ever be at risk of reprisal they wouldn't act the way they do They're free from reprisal from "common" people and nobles but other Celestial Dragons are probably a completely different story. People like them are never happy with the amount of power they have so I imagine that Mariejois is a cesspit of backstabbing and intrigue; with various families jockeying for power and favor over each other. Sure, the Charlosses and Mjosgards are a bunch of inbred morons but every family probably has at least one Doflamingo pulling the strings. A family of non-government assassins would find a lot of work there and have a lot of pull as a result.
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ThingOne posted:They're free from reprisal from "common" people and nobles but other Celestial Dragons are probably a completely different story. People like them are never happy with the amount of power they have so I imagine that Mariejois is a cesspit of backstabbing and intrigue; with various families jockeying for power and favor over each other. Sure, the Charlosses and Mjosgards are a bunch of inbred morons but every family probably has at least one Doflamingo pulling the strings. A family of non-government assassins would find a lot of work there and have a lot of pull as a result. I admit, Game of Thrones: One Piece edition is something I'd watch.
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Jan 29, 2016 03:26
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Blaze Dragon posted:I admit, Game of Thrones: One Piece edition is something I'd watch. One of the guys on the podcast introduced Oda to GoT and he's apparently a huge fan now.
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ThingOne posted:One of the guys on the podcast introduced Oda to GoT and he's apparently a huge fan now. What podcast?
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Mraagvpeine posted:What podcast? http://onepiecepodcast.com/ Some pretty big names on it including the lead One Piece translator for VIZ.
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ThingOne posted:http://onepiecepodcast.com/ Looked around on that site, found this ( http://onepiecepodcast.com/2015/07/22/the-one-piece-connection/ ) - quite an interesting read! Well I knew most of it but it was good to read it in one cohesive article.
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ThingOne posted:They're free from reprisal from "common" people and nobles but other Celestial Dragons are probably a completely different story. People like them are never happy with the amount of power they have so I imagine that Mariejois is a cesspit of backstabbing and intrigue; with various families jockeying for power and favor over each other. Sure, the Charlosses and Mjosgards are a bunch of inbred morons but every family probably has at least one Doflamingo pulling the strings. A family of non-government assassins would find a lot of work there and have a lot of pull as a result. You're awful.
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Jose posted:So what relationship to sanji's family do people think brook has? Considering Brook's choice of weapon, he probably used to work as an assassin himself.
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i think killer is gonna be like a duval reversal, all the pieces are there for it, his dummy strength, being a supernova, being much more level headed and rational than most other characters in general... dont let me down oda
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Vinsmoke is a funny name. Vinsmoke vinsmoke vinsmoke
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alkanphel posted:Looked around on that site, found this ( http://onepiecepodcast.com/2015/07/22/the-one-piece-connection/ ) - quite an interesting read! Well I knew most of it but it was good to read it in one cohesive article. That's actually a pretty interesting take on what the D really stands for.
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Pureauthor posted:Vinsmoke is a funny name. 
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alkanphel posted:Looked around on that site, found this ( http://onepiecepodcast.com/2015/07/22/the-one-piece-connection/ ) - quite an interesting read! Well I knew most of it but it was good to read it in one cohesive article. This is a good article. While it does mirror a lot of the discussion we've had here with regard to what the overarching plot of OP is and how it's going to end, the most interesting thing it discussed was the moon and its civilization. I didn't remember a lot about Enel's cover story arc and it still seems to be a lot of gibberish what with the space pirates and such. As much as I enjoy seeing Luffy punch tougher and tougher enemies, the thing I'm most excited about is learning about the ancient civilization and how the current actions of the current pirates tie into what they left behind.
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Pureauthor posted:Vinsmoke is a funny name. Figures that Sanji would be from a family named after both wine and smoke
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Shoren posted:This is a good article. While it does mirror a lot of the discussion we've had here with regard to what the overarching plot of OP is and how it's going to end, the most interesting thing it discussed was the moon and its civilization. I didn't remember a lot about Enel's cover story arc and it still seems to be a lot of gibberish what with the space pirates and such. As much as I enjoy seeing Luffy punch tougher and tougher enemies, the thing I'm most excited about is learning about the ancient civilization and how the current actions of the current pirates tie into what they left behind. It's everything I love about One Piece taken to an absurd degree. Those space pirates are goofy, but Enel flying to the moon is romantic. The Spacey's story is tragic, but they're hilarious. And then the whole thing is flavored by a really intense mysterious significance. And it was only when reading that article that I realized the parallel between Enel's belief in Fairy Vearth and the Strawhats' belief in Skypia. It's true. I laughed out loud when I realized Enel's dream was to go to the moon. Without an ounce of self-reflection I thought his dream was an absurd joke... in Skypia of all arcs. But even though we laughed, Enel made it to Fairy Vearth. Even god's dreams came true.  That said, as interesting and coherent as that article was talking about stuff that's happened, it's predictions are as silly as ever. The Uranus Polyglyph being on Elbaf because in Hesiod's Theogony the giants came from the blood of Ouranos' severed testicles? That kind of obscure mythic detail might appeal to obsessive fans of One Piece, but that's not how Oda rolls. This is the man who named animal people "Minks". When asked about the meaning of the names of the Franky Family pets Sodom and Gomorrah he was like, "I dunno, it sounded cool." There are broad strokes thematic reasons for a lot of these names, but they're on a vague emotional level, not a precise pedantic one. The ancient weapons were probably named for the outer three planets, if anything. And in this oceanic tale he gave Poseidon/Neptune a very oceanic theme, and I can't say "a battleship that can destroy the world" doesn't fit with a death theme, so of Uranus ends up being sky themed I would not be surprised (completing the sea/heaven/death split that is, yes, from Greek myth). If the reference were anything deeper than that I would be really surprised. I mean, an Uranus Poneglyph on Elbaf isn't outside the realm of possibility, just because there are only so many Significant Places left in the story, but I'm not prepared to believe it would be because of super obscure mythological trivia.
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If I had to guess, Uranus was the super weapon that the Ancient Civilization used to rule the world, Poseidon was the Royal Fishman method of maintaining independence, and Pluton was built by the rebelling countries that would form the World Government. Uranus and Pluton destroyed each other. It also maintains the basic gist of the mythological theme with Uranus creating the world order, and perhaps being made by moon people thus coming from the sky, and Pluton destroying it, made by those both figuratively being held under those with Uranus and less figuratively coming from the world under that that created Uranus. Meanwhile Poseidon faded away, occasionally popping back up in the royal line.
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Eiba posted:I mean, an Uranus Poneglyph on Elbaf isn't outside the realm of possibility, just because there are only so many Significant Places left in the story, but I'm not prepared to believe it would be because of super obscure mythological trivia. Wait...haven't we come across all three superweapons in some form already? The poneglyph in the Alabastan royal tomb gave the location of one, Franky had the plans to a second and burned them as a show of faith in the Strawhats and Shirahoshi is the third.
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tsob posted:Wait...haven't we come across all three superweapons in some form already? The poneglyph in the Alabastan royal tomb gave the location of one, Franky had the plans to a second and burned them as a show of faith in the Strawhats and Shirahoshi is the third. For the record (because I forgot) the Poneglyphs are as follows: Alabasta- how to find Pluton Skypia- how to find Poseidon (Shirahoshi) Fishman Island- A personal apology from Joy Boy for not being able to fulfill his promise and use the ship Noah Ohara- Information on the void century I also forgot that Jimbei got another one in his cover arc. Gyges posted:If I had to guess, Uranus was the super weapon that the Ancient Civilization used to rule the world, Poseidon was the Royal Fishman method of maintaining independence, and Pluton was built by the rebelling countries that would form the World Government. Uranus and Pluton destroyed each other. It also maintains the basic gist of the mythological theme with Uranus creating the world order, and perhaps being made by moon people thus coming from the sky, and Pluton destroying it, made by those both figuratively being held under those with Uranus and less figuratively coming from the world under that that created Uranus. Meanwhile Poseidon faded away, occasionally popping back up in the royal line. Though if Pluton opposed the Ancients, and the Ancients knew how to make Pluton... one wonders why they didn't just make their own. Eiba fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Just because the ponyglyphs are written in an unknown language doesn't mean the ancient civilization were the only ones able to use it. For instance if there were people from the Ancient Civilization who were paid or sided with the other side. Also using the names Uranus, Poseidon, and Pluto could infer the lineage of the weapons. Uranus was the grandfather of Poseidon and Pluto. Another interesting bit is that while Uranus and Poseidon are the Greek names of gods, Pluto is the Latin variant of the Greek Hades. So it could all be carefully designed to have deeper meaning. Or it could be designed around sounding cool.
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I think the most interesting for me in that article was that Oda showed that Minks existed way, way back in the Sabaody arc on the slave list and noone ever really tied that to Bepo. I'm really interested in seeing what these Snakeneck people look like if they ever appear
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Gyges posted:Just because the ponyglyphs are written in an unknown language doesn't mean the ancient civilization were the only ones able to use it. For instance if there were people from the Ancient Civilization who were paid or sided with the other side. So looking at the trio as Pluto, Poseidon, Uranus: Pluto - God of the underworld -> God of Death. Pluton was a massive warship capable of destroying entire islands ie- wreaking havoc and death beyond imagination. It was, in a sense, an avatar of death itself. Poseidon- God of the sea, able to communicate with creatures of the sea, as well as a variety of other sea-based powers. This ancient weapon, a living weapon, has control over wildlife inhabiting the sea in much the same way, as evidenced by Shirahoshi's ability to communicate with Sea Kings. This weapon is considered dangerous because of its ability to communicate with Sea Kings, who have been known to sink islands with ease. Following the same general path, I speculate that Uranus has something to do with the sky (Uranus was known as "Father Sky" in Greek Mythology). Perhaps it is some manner of floating mechanism similar to a sky island? Maybe it is the reason the weather in the New World is so messed up and random. Perhaps it is floating in space like a satellite, or Enel will find it on the moon (would be hilarious).
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Asuron posted:I think the most interesting for me in that article was that Oda showed that Minks existed way, way back in the Sabaody arc on the slave list and noone ever really tied that to Bepo. I'm really interested in seeing what these Snakeneck people look like if they ever appear Aren't they the "Find the Fish" Chinese race that Scrathman Apoo belongs to?
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Broseph Brostar posted:Aren't they the "Find the Fish" Chinese race that Scrathman Apoo belongs to? Wait what, I thought Apoo was a Long Arm and that one guy who worked for Big Mom was a Long Leg
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Asuron posted:I think the most interesting for me in that article was that Oda showed that Minks existed way, way back in the Sabaody arc on the slave list and noone ever really tied that to Bepo. I'm really interested in seeing what these Snakeneck people look like if they ever appear Anyone that might have linked Bepo to the Minks was drowned out by the people that didn't want to entertain the notion that Bepo was anything other than a bear that talked.
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I'm interested in seeing more hybrids. Confirmed ones:
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I haven't even read the Enel cover arc; I was still watching the anime at that point in the series. And there was so much One Piece to get through I wasn't paying consistent attention. I've been reading the omnibuses, but I think I need to read ahead via the scanlations, at least up until Dressrosa where I started properly digesting each chapter. Even if it's surface level nonsense, there's just so much to take in with this series. Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Anyone that might have linked Bepo to the Minks was drowned out by the people that didn't want to entertain the notion that Bepo was anything other than a bear that talked. Well, he still is really. It's just, he's from an entire race of animals that talk.
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The thing about Bepo is that Oda said in an SBS that he is just a bear and that's all he is. So with that in everyone's minds and no confirmation to what minks really were Oda's word was taken at face value and no discussion was possible. There weren't many clues about minks until we got to Zou, anyway.
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