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mac se/30 supremacy also the apple //c
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:want this for my se/30. yes, of course it can also you can put 128MB of RAM in it unless it only has 4 slots in which case it only supports 64
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Jan 28, 2016 04:22
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just remember to change the caps on it. 90s macs had smd aluminum electrolytics that liked to leak all over the logic board https://wiki.68kmla.org/Capacitor_Replacement
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Jan 28, 2016 05:36
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eschaton posted:here’s another user of NeXT software on that SPARC laptop lol it doesnt work on ios
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Jan 28, 2016 06:24
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Beeftweeter posted:lol it doesnt work on ios postscript is not meant for mobile its POST script the publication format, which is done on computers and sent to printers duh
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Jan 28, 2016 06:28
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I miss my se/30.  So many lovely little homemade HyperCard games, lost like tears in the rain.
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Jan 28, 2016 08:25
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eschaton posted:yes, of course it can i did that to mine and i almost thought i broke it b/c the startup ram check took so long
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Jan 28, 2016 10:10
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this thread is inspiring me to either get an Atari 8-bit again, or one of those clamshell iBooks I had a tangerine one but one of the rev. 2 iBooks would be almost usable
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Jan 28, 2016 20:22
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lol someone trying to sell a graphite iBook on eBay for a grand
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Jan 28, 2016 20:25
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Silver Alicorn posted:get an Atari 8-bit again
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Jan 28, 2016 21:29
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seriously, every 8 bit ataris except the atari 400 owns bones iirc you can even get like a small 600xl and upgrade it with a board from ***THE INTERNET*** to a 800XL with a ram expansion unit
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Jan 28, 2016 21:54
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800xl supremacy
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Jan 28, 2016 21:54
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Sham bam bamina! posted:800xl supremacy sorry nothing beats a 130xe (except the 800xl in looks)
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Jan 28, 2016 22:00
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Olivil posted:seriously, every 8 bit ataris except the atari 400 owns bones the 400 is cool in its own way. that keyboard is trying really hard I mainly had an XEGS but prior to that an 400 and I think. 600xl
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Jan 28, 2016 22:26
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I would love to own a Falcon 030 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpwlZgQPCpk Computers got really boring after commodore and atari gave up on them
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Jan 28, 2016 22:50
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error1 posted:Computers got really boring after commodore and atari gave up on them
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Jan 28, 2016 22:51
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its more a matter of the intel based ibm pc being boring
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Jan 28, 2016 23:12
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error1 posted:I would love to own a Falcon 030 that frame rate 
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Jan 28, 2016 23:24
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vW0U5zB4JA
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Jan 28, 2016 23:27
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Jan 28, 2016 23:48
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Sham bam bamina! posted:the beb box wasnt boring beos owned, I unironically paid for multiple versions of it and used it as my primary os for a couple years. when it was new, beos was better at multimedia and multitasking than Windows, and it was better at being an actual usable os than any linux at the time. rip beos, too bad your ownership tried to take Steve jobs to the bank, or we could all be running MacBook airs with beos today
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Jan 29, 2016 02:24
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:beos owned, I unironically paid for multiple versions of it and used it as my primary os for a couple years. when it was new, beos was better at multimedia and multitasking than Windows, and it was better at being an actual usable os than any linux at the time. beos was a tech demo, only gassee could imagine it was a viable operating system there were a ton of cool ideas running around in there, but they couldn't get the basics working: a network stack that crashed constantly, the lovely web browser, half-hearted posix compatibility, etc etc
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Jan 29, 2016 02:35
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There were almost no BeOS applications (in part because developing for BeOS was a pain), there were large sections of the OS that were unfinished, and driver support was nonexistent (just getting the GUI to switch over to the VESA 2.0 video driver if you didn't have one of the 2 video cards with a native driver was a pain; otherwise it defaulted to a generic VGA driver with 640x480x16 colors). But they had a nifty multithreaded GUI (that was a pain to develop for IIRC) but demoed well thanks to their kernel's quasi-real-time scheduler (video keeps on smoothly playing while you drag the window around OMG!!!). It was kinda admirable that they kept going after so many obstacles, but it was never gonna happen. Doc Block fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Jan 29, 2016 02:57
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Doc Block posted:But they had a nifty multithreaded GUI (that was a pain to develop for IIRC) but demoed well thanks to their kernel's quasi-real-time scheduler (video keeps on smoothly playing while you drag the window around OMG!!!). the great part of this demo is that linux and windows NT could play the same trick on the same hardware, because they used a dual-processor host with scsi drives no poo poo the concurrency is 100x better than a regular PC
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Jan 29, 2016 03:40
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Jan 29, 2016 07:34
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Not really, after Haiku developed a package manager the guy who ran bebits.com shut it down, killing the primary source of beos applications He tried to make his own fork of Haiku without the package manager but that went nowhere. http://bebits.com http://haiku-os.org still exists though and progress i moving along at a glacial pace. BeOS is alive in the same way that MorphOS, AROS, AmigaOS and friends are "alive" [edit] If you have the hardware for it, you really should try out morphos, the proprietary PPC reimplementation of amigaos that runs on old macs. It's pretty rad. http://www.morphos-team.net r u ready to WALK fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Jan 29, 2016 08:50
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Silver Alicorn posted:this thread is inspiring me to either get an Atari 8-bit again, or one of those clamshell iBooks my parents still have their old clamshell iBook, and it still works. may even still have the packaging and stuff I could see if they want to part with it
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Jan 29, 2016 08:50
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SYSV Fanfic posted:What computer can I get today that will be fetishized in 20 years despite being overpriced garbage. I don't have the mid six figgies to dump on a $2,000 trash can. even rare/fetish vintage computers are still not worth more than they cost new Rawrl posted:just remember to change the caps on it. 90s macs had smd aluminum electrolytics that liked to leak all over the logic board plz don't link my website
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Jan 29, 2016 13:12
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i romanticize old computes because i feel like i can understand them better. i've been messing around with qemu, writing real-mode x86 assembly. that sort of thing is easy to wrap my mind around, and the only part that i don't really understand is the bios firmware. doing graphics stuff on top of a modern OS, there's so many layers of poo poo between the code i write and how it gets popped up on the screen, i have a hard time imagining any single person understanding how every piece works. anyways i'd like to find a small cheap x86 SBC with well documented hardware. qemu is great and all, and i'd never get anywhere developing x86 asm without qemu+gdb, but it'd be cool to see the code run on an actual computer.
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Jan 29, 2016 18:40
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error1 posted:Not really, after Haiku developed a package manager the guy who ran bebits.com shut it down, killing the primary source of beos applications haiku is still way more alive than any of the weird amiga-masturbator projects are. it runs on ordinary x86 hardware with the right graphics card, not some ppc demonstrator board from an oem in europe that only existed for six months in 2005. on the software side, beos was posix-y enough that a substantial amount of linux desktop stuff gets ported. haiku is definitely a little bit silly and dated, but it's not completely useless
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Jan 30, 2016 00:22
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what was so great about beos? it sounds like unix clone #21957 albeit with a slightly better ui than most
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Jan 30, 2016 00:31
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it did SMP really well compared to its contemporaries. also used unicode as its text encoding, which pretty much only NT supported at the time. the UI's selling point was that it didn't lock up when you tried to do anything significant with the system.
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The GUI and a lot of other aspects were very different than Unix, in addition to varying degrees of POSIX support. Aside from the POSIX stuff, the APIs were in C++, not C. The system design used a local client-server model, so (conceptually, at least) there was an Application Server that your application was connected to that handled your application's requests like acquiring resources, etc. They tried hard to make the OS kernel as pure of a microkernel as possible, IIRC. Its file system, BeFS, was 64-bit and could have files of any size that could be represented by a 64-bit integer (at a time when Windows users were using FAT32 and had to live with its 2GB max file size limit). BeFS was really heavy on metadata, like using MIME types to determine file type instead of file extensions, having custom tags, and stuff like that. The GUI was multithreaded. As I mentioned before, that plus the quasi-real-time scheduler that gave high priority to the GUI meant that BeOS always felt relatively snappy and responsive even under load (which was a big deal in the late 90s and early 2000s). The UI itself, while following most desktop UI conventions of the time, was friendlier than Windows, and leaned more towards Mac OS Classic in visual design IMHO.
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Jan 30, 2016 01:01
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can I run beos on a rev 2 clamshell ibook
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Jan 30, 2016 01:04
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Can't run it on any of the Macs released after Apple bought NeXT instead of Be. So, like, from the G3 onward, if memory serves.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:beos was a tech demo, only gassee could imagine it was a viable operating system Doc Block posted:There were almost no BeOS applications (in part because developing for BeOS was a pain), there were large sections of the OS that were unfinished, and driver support was nonexistent (just getting the GUI to switch over to the VESA 2.0 video driver if you didn't have one of the 2 video cards with a native driver was a pain; otherwise it defaulted to a generic VGA driver with 640x480x16 colors). there was an nvidia driver that worked with my riva128, even. for 3D acceleration(!) and there was an office compliant set of apps as well. on my p2-300 dell it absolutely flew, and could play most any media you threw at it, smoother and with a higher bitrate ceiling than Windows could. what I'm saying is that as a college kid into media of all manner (porn) it was awesome. I dual booted with Windows so I could play OG counterstrike also bebits was the poo poo back then. software installs were super easy, compared to pre-apt Linux and clunky WISE installers what I'm saying is beos was a product of, and directly addressed the problems of its time. if only Steve would have bought it, beos X would own Beve Stuscemi fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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Jan 30, 2016 02:08
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apple was also in negotiations to license solaris. a real unix with a real compiler and a non-poo poo kernel what a world that would have been
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Jan 30, 2016 02:32
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:there was an nvidia driver that worked with my riva128, even. for 3D acceleration(!) and there was an office compliant set of apps as well. on my p2-300 dell it absolutely flew, and could play most any media you threw at it, smoother and with a higher bitrate ceiling than Windows could. on a pentium II, a boring old linux desktop could play video and counterstrike on the same pc at the same time, even
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:if only Steve would have bought it, beos X would own
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gil amelio hired steve jobs to advise apple on how to move forward and make the company a viable competitor again when the decision was made to buy an operating system, the final two contenders IIRC were Be and NeXT was anyone surprised that steve jobs told them to buy his own company? edit: in fairness, NextStep/OpenStep was a far better operating system and was actually complete instead of being a work in progress like BeOS. Doc Block fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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