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I think the reason teenagers hate a lot of literature is because they don't try to read anything into it and force meanings the way adults do. They just see it as it is, and therefore stuff might suck because on the surface it really is poo poo sometimes.
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Jan 31, 2016 19:22
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Sophocles: the Theban plays We had to read it aloud. I never understood readaloud assignments as the dumb kids made it horrible for all involved. It was a blur but the only thing I remember is some dude cutting out his eyes with scissors because he banged his mom by accident, in some weird convoluted way. Apparently it was honorable to punish yourself greatly if you did something by complete accident.
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Jan 31, 2016 19:25
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Haier posted:I think the reason teenagers hate a lot of literature is because they don't try to read anything into it and force meanings the way adults do. They just see it as it is, and therefore stuff might suck because on the surface it really is poo poo sometimes. right
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Jan 31, 2016 19:29
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Avocados posted:Sophocles: the Theban plays Are you seriously not familiar with the story of Oedipus Rex?
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Jan 31, 2016 19:32
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Mak0rz posted:Are you seriously not familiar with the story of Oedipus Rex? If it's not genre fiction, goons haven't heard of it.
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Jan 31, 2016 19:37
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Avocados posted:Sophocles: the Theban plays omg kill yourself you moron
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Jan 31, 2016 19:40
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symbolic posted:you do realize that the schools force teenagers to find meanings in the literature they read I think the forced analysis part is what makes kids hate the books they read in high school. At least for me it was a personal hell of dumb teachers focusing on eccentric and outright wrong interpretations, like a cineD thread but inescapable and where you are powerless to call people out on their poo poo.
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Jan 31, 2016 19:45
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Magellanicice9 posted:Great Expectations I'm still angry about having to read this in 8th grade. Other sources of anger: Ethan Frome - a miserable man goes for a miserable sled ride and is trapped with his miserable wife and miserable lover forever The Glass Menagerie - I don't remember what this was about but it was bad In college - German - "Die Leiden des jungen Werthers" - oh my god gently caress Goethe...a man uses ten million words to talk about the beauty of nature, falls in love with an engaged woman who never returns his love and he dies after falling sick in her and her husband's house.
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Jan 31, 2016 20:05
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caleramaen posted:Cry the Beloved Country was written by a white guy. It was also good. So you are double wrong. Good job sperg-dodging that joke champ.
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Jan 31, 2016 20:09
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Haier posted:I think the reason teenagers hate a lot of literature is because they don't try to read anything into it and force meanings the way adults do. They just see it as it is, and therefore stuff might suck because on the surface it really is poo poo sometimes. I think also adults have a tendency to force kids to read books that are important or that speak to them personally as a 50 year old english teacher, without considering context and realizing that a book tends to appeal to kids more when there's an emotion or experience they can latch onto and relate to their own life like in my post I talked about ethan frome and the old man and the sea which are about what it's like to be old and have regrets and poo poo, no kid is going to really "get" that sort of thing other than as a meaningless abstraction
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Jan 31, 2016 20:09
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mind the walrus posted:Brave New World touches on futuristic themes with frightening prescience but does it through the lens of early 20th century pulp. Brilliant ideas, stupid names and embarrassing plot details.
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Jan 31, 2016 20:12
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My English class spent an entire term reading Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry, a novel about black sharecroppers having a poo poo time in the deep south in the 1930's and clearly of critical relevance to a bunch of British kids in the 1990's. Fortunately I decided against doing English at A-level, as it had been decided that, out of 1000 years of English literature, students should spend 2 years studying The loving Handmaid's loving Tale. Jesus bastard wept.
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Jan 31, 2016 20:22
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Big City Drinkin posted:I vaguely remember this. Was it set in Laos or Cambodia or somewhere around there? I can't find anything about it on Google. I honestly can't remember, but I think it was called "The Story of Zahra" or something. edit: Yeah, it was. gently caress, grade 11 English was probably the worst class I ever took. mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jan 31, 2016 |
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Jan 31, 2016 20:23
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Haier posted:I think the reason teenagers hate a lot of literature is because they don't try to read anything into it and force meanings the way adults do. They just see it as it is, and therefore stuff might suck because on the surface it really is poo poo sometimes. It's also because a lot of the 'classic' literature forced on teenagers is filled with themes, people and settings they can't relate to and then they are forced to overanalyze it to death which sucks out any possible remaining enlightenment or enjoyment they might have gotten out of it. Oh, and they don't actually care about your personal analysis or whether or not you got something out of reading it, they want you to see the same themes and symbolism as the teacher or some literary academics who wear tweed blazers. The_Franz fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jan 31, 2016 |
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Jan 31, 2016 20:26
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lord of the flies more like bored of the flies
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Jan 31, 2016 20:43
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goons hate lord of the flies because they can't relate to being outside or interacting with other people irl, and can only identify with piggie
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Jan 31, 2016 20:49
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In sophomore Honors English instead of reading the classics like the regular classes, we read a bunch of female-themed novels because the teacher was obsessed with living vicariously through her lesbian daughter. One book was called "In the Time of the Butterflies" and was a coming of age story of some African girl in a village, and butterflies was a metaphor for her period. We also had to analyze a poo poo ton of poetry and I never understood poetry whatsoever no matter how hard I studies do that sucked rear end. gently caress poetry. Also Huck Finn was boring as poo poo, all I remember is them constantly floating down a river. Shakespeare sucked too but the best part would be when we watched the film adaptation on those rolling CRT TV carts and the teachers would be super nervous when they had to fast forward the sex scenes.
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Jan 31, 2016 20:53
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Haier posted:I think the reason teenagers hate a lot of literature is because they don't try to read anything into it and force meanings the way adults do. They just see it as it is, and therefore stuff might suck because on the surface it really is poo poo sometimes. Also because a lot of classics get forced down their throats that the majority just plain aren't ready for. The Great Gatsby, The Sun Also Rises, Slaughterhouse 5, Brave New World, and so on are decent novels in a vacuum but they don't really resonate until you've had a certain degree of life experience which most kids haven't had. Then when you combine putting them on a linear "read x by y time" schedule and start penalizing them for not noticing symbolism on the first pass and it's no loving wonder they hate its guts. I said this in the Unpopular Opinion Thread but really English departments should spend the first major book cycle of every term reading some really populist poo poo like The Hunger Games or Harry Potter that all but the slowest motherfuckers can keep up with and use that to point out all the technical crap English teachers want them to study, and then move into literature preferably alternating with something basic and quick as a cleanser. No English department anywhere is going to take that chance and that's if they can wrap their heads around teaching their subject like the world hasn't changed dramatically in the last 30 years and chewing on 19th Century Lit isn't appealing to 95% of people with a modern schedule.
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Jan 31, 2016 21:14
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mind the walrus posted:Also because a lot of classics get forced down their throats that the majority just plain aren't ready for. The Great Gatsby, The Sun Also Rises, Slaughterhouse 5, Brave New World, and so on are decent novels in a vacuum but they don't really resonate until you've had a certain degree of life experience which most kids haven't had. Then when you combine putting them on a linear "read x by y time" schedule and start penalizing them for not noticing symbolism on the first pass and it's no loving wonder they hate its guts. arent classic books cheaper to buy for the most part too though?
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Jan 31, 2016 21:17
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Stoner Spring, I mean the first chapter is a girl coming of age and smearing period blood all over herself as initiation.
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Jan 31, 2016 21:20
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I was stuck reading 12th night, one of the most overwrought piece of poo poo that Bill ever shat out for a quick payment. That and Lord of the flies, though that was slightly redeemed for the old british tv film we saw of it that had piggy getting hit by a gigantic Styrofoam boulder that literally bounced right of his head.
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Jan 31, 2016 21:39
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Hot Karl Marx posted:arent classic books cheaper to buy for the most part too though?
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Jan 31, 2016 21:45
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Mak0rz posted:Are you seriously not familiar with the story of Oedipus Rex? Blue Train posted:omg kill yourself you moron 
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Jan 31, 2016 21:52
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Grapes of Wrath, fortunately my teacher was dumb as hell and so I was able to quit reading it about a quarter of the way through. "This chapter has three things in it, what do they represent?" "The trilogy?" "You're a genius!!!" "This other chapter has three things in it, what do they represent?" "The trilogy" "You get five gold stars!!!"
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Jan 31, 2016 21:56
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lord of the flies is good and "character identification" is a bunk-rear end lie
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Jan 31, 2016 21:58
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My exposure to literature peaked when I scanned the word jumble on the back of the Frosted Flakes. I have to slow down to read road signs aloud. The only books I own contain cutaway diagrams of Star Wars space ships. Here's why Shakespeare is gay:
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Jan 31, 2016 22:03
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loinburger posted:Grapes of Wrath, fortunately my teacher was dumb as hell and so I was able to quit reading it about a quarter of the way through. I assume you mean trinity.
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Jan 31, 2016 22:57
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walgreenslatino posted:My exposure to literature peaked when I scanned the word jumble on the back of the Frosted Flakes. I have to slow down to read road signs aloud. The only books I own contain cutaway diagrams of Star Wars space ships.
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Jan 31, 2016 23:07
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mr sad posted:I assume you mean trinity. Yeah, it's been awhile
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Jan 31, 2016 23:09
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ITT stem_graduates.txt
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Jan 31, 2016 23:09
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mind the walrus posted:I said this in the Unpopular Opinion Thread but really English departments should spend the first major book cycle of every term reading some really populist poo poo like The Hunger Games or Harry Potter that all but the slowest motherfuckers can keep up with and use that to point out all the technical crap English teachers want them to study theoretically school is supposed to challenge you and not present you with mindless nonsense, especially not poo poo you can easily just watch a movie of and never read hth
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Jan 31, 2016 23:09
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Happy Bear Suit posted:lord of the flies lord of the flies is good for high school if only because it's very short and all the themes/symbolism poo poo is super obvious
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Jan 31, 2016 23:10
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:ITT stem_graduates.txt That said, Fenimore Cooper and Scarlet Letter can share a Grayhound ticket straight to Hell.
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Jan 31, 2016 23:11
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:ITT stem_graduates.txt that said, i really really like reading and analyzing poetry. i suppose that's because it's much more succinct most of the time.
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Jan 31, 2016 23:14
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walgreenslatino posted:My exposure to literature peaked when I scanned the word jumble on the back of the Frosted Flakes. I have to slow down to read road signs aloud. The only books I own contain cutaway diagrams of Star Wars space ships.
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Jan 31, 2016 23:18
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symbolic posted:Professional writing major. i can't stand most of the stuff i'm forced to read because, as said, the education establishment forces students to find messages and character development as opposed to reading for the purpose of enjoyment. no no, that's definitely true, I've had that happen too and as a historian I can say that history is taught just as badly, and in some ways its even worse because the textbooks have to try and cover all 500+ years of US history in a couple hundred pages and make it comprehensible to kids and that's basically impossible I feel bad for textbook writers
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Jan 31, 2016 23:21
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In college we read "Enduring Love" by Ian McEwan which was a really loving insane story about a married couple on a picnic that saw a man fall out of a hot air balloon and die after hitting the field below. A bystander, a 30-ish year old man, also saw it and fell in love with the husband because in his insane mind he thought witnessing this traumatic event together meant they were destined to be soulmates or some crazy bonkers poo poo and he started stalking the husband and causing tension in the marriage. Sounds sort of interesting because of the crazy stalker gay man shenanigans, but in reality it was such an awful and boring book. We then watched the movie which was a hundred times worse in every conceivable way. We also did Waiting for Godot which was actually kind of entertaining for a play in which literally nothing happens. Mak0rz fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Jan 31, 2016 |
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Jan 31, 2016 23:21
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:no no, that's definitely true, I've had that happen too
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Jan 31, 2016 23:23
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Mak0rz posted:We also did Waiting for Godot which was actually kind of entertaining for a play in which literally nothing happens.
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Jan 31, 2016 23:24
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Nathaniel Hawthorne was the worst. Overwrought Christian symbolism and boring rear end Protestants.
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Jan 31, 2016 23:25
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