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StoneOfShame posted:Have you tried Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A? It works for a lot of things. I can't help but feel that we'd get more success doing this. 3 months we've waited for a loving transfer from one mental health team to another. Still not done. Edit: 148 AD: The Emperor Antoninus Pius hosts a series of grand games to celebrate Rome's 900th anniversary.
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I don't know about a cheat code but I think "suicide" is generally the word that gets people's attention. But I am not sure if telling people you're actually actively suicidal would just get you sectioned. I went with telling people I had contemplated it but was not actively planning to kill myself. Got me into 1 on 1 CBT fairly promptly but that was some years ago, alas. I imagine you already did the screening questionnaire and they usually ask you about it on that.
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CBT doesn't cut it for borderline personality disorder unfortunately. Edit: I should add that it's not me, it's my girlfriend. And yeah she's done a questionnaire thing a couple of weeks (over a month I think?) ago. And she's been in hospital for suicide attempts/suicidal thoughts. Still no CBT or DBT. The best she's gotten was a 6 week mindfulness course which helped, but it's not enough. Firos fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Firos posted:If someone has a cheatcode for getting someone into a DBT therapy group via a GP or otherwise that'd be great The provision of services for the treatment of personality disorder varies substantially up and down the country. If you're in the Liverpool/Sefton area we do four different kinds of group psychotherapy for PD, including DBT, and we run psycho-education groups for people stuck on the waiting list. It can still be difficult for people to get referred in though because most of the consultants don't know anything about personality disorder, and somehow aren't aware that interventions are available for it.
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We're in Essex, and have been badgering anyone that will listen to speed up the transfer process. She moved from Hampshire to Essex to live with me, because living apart was basically not feasible for us any more, so it was unavoidable. That was in November. She's just barely hanging in there some days, with me having to do all the work with regards to keeping her in the right frame of mine. But she obviously needs help from a professional, even just a community mental health team/nurse.
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Firos posted:We're in Essex, and have been badgering anyone that will listen to speed up the transfer process. She moved from Hampshire to Essex to live with me, because living apart was basically not feasible for us any more, so it was unavoidable.
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Namtab posted:You will never escape southern health If I get this job at Tata Steel we might 
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That sucks man, it's no fun being responsible for someone else's mental welfare, especially not someone you care about. It's shite advice but have you had much chance to do any reading on it yourself? It's not a substitute for professional help but CBT at least is something you can do a lot of by yourself. Don't know much about DBT except that it's derived from CBT and the biggest trick with CBT is having someone to keep you at it, because it's hard as hell to self-police until you get into the trick of it. Otherwise I can only suggest that having someone there to look after her is probably doing her the world of good, so you should feel good about that. It might not seem like it's helping but it'd be worse otherwise.
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Firos posted:If I get this job at Tata Steel we might No escape!
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Firos posted:We're in Essex, and have been badgering anyone that will listen to speed up the transfer process. She moved from Hampshire to Essex to live with me, because living apart was basically not feasible for us any more, so it was unavoidable.
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Mu. posted:There is/was a really great specialist service for personality disorder in Essex called the Haven, but after their funding ran out I'm not sure if they managed to stay open (google says maybe). They had a really amazing day service/crisis service. It's worth asking about it. I wish I could help you out more. These seem like a good lot  . I'll look into this a bit more. Thanks.OwlFancier posted:That sucks man, it's no fun being responsible for someone else's mental welfare, especially not someone you care about. I've done most of my reading regarding the actual illness. Knowing as best I can what she is feeling and how unwell she is at any point. We talk a lot about how she is feeling, and she has actually has a blog and journal, both of which are methods of dealing with the feelings she's having. I've started to become good at identifying when she's going into a particularly bad spell and mitigate it as best I can, so things between us are probably as good as they can be without outside help. And things are definitely much, much better now that we're together most of the time. Hopefully once we do finally get her into DBT then it'll work as advertised.
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I didn't even know you could get CBT on the NHS, I've always had to pay hundreds for a pro domme to step on me knackers, and she only does it for an hour. Get it on the NHS, you're in there, bet they can do all sorts with catheters and sterilized needles and such.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Bubble, bubble toil and trouble Absolute insanity. The infuriating thing is that there's no reason why there can't be cheap, secure, high quality housing for everyone (we're a rich country and after all, a house is just a box of bricks with electricity and water piped in) except that we've collectively decided that the opposite should be the case. The combination of existing homeowners wanting rising prices and the fact that the survival of our financial system depends on spiraling housing costs has utterly hosed the younger generation.
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I'll chip into GP chat to suggest that a not-insignificant amount of traffic GP practices see is due to employers who don't accept a Self-Certification after a short illness. I worked in a GP practice for a couple of years and there were people who would either visit to request a 'sick note' (and pay £10 for the privilege) or simply to make sure that the GP could verify that they were actually unwell when they were 'off sick'.
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Firos posted:These seem like a good lot All the psychotherapies have variable accessibility and pathways across the UK. I know that in my area CBT, mindfulness and counselling are available in primary care (read GP land) but with an up to 12 week waiting list. No idea about secondary care but they generally try to stream into the same service we do. My heart goes out to you and your partner. Personality disorder is astoundingly hard to manage but I've no illusion that its harder still to live with. I hope she has a CPN and psychiatrist involved, they should be able direct you appropriately.
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Jose posted:the effort oberleutnant put into going to dover would be far better spent campaigning for a left wing political group in a general election so that when the fascists turned up nobody was there to argue with them and give them legitimacy and make them feel like dicks because nobody give a poo poo I can''t fault you for a principled opposition to violence. But 1) I am politically active in the Communist and Labour parties, and 2) if we ignore the fascists we don't leave them with no one to argue against - we leave them free to do exactly what they intended, which was to intimidate refugees and ethnic and religious minorities and claim a great victory to draw more fash for next time. I've said it a few times that they're nazis, but I can't overstress that I mean it in the most literal sense. There's a good summary of the day here: quote:2. The neo-Nazism was explicit. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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DBT is in big demand but a scarce resource. I run a DBT team and we are inundated with referrals. We are all therapists just offering some ad hoc sessional work as there's no funding for anything more. DBT is a very labour and cost intensive therapy to offer compared to CBT, at least in the short term and services struggle to provide the clinicians trained in it as it's still see as a niche intervention despite its NICE status.
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Serotonin posted:DBT is in big demand but a scarce resource. I run a DBT team and we are inundated with referrals. We are all therapists just offering some ad hoc sessional work as there's no funding for anything more. DBT is a very labour and cost intensive therapy to offer compared to CBT, at least in the short term and services struggle to provide the clinicians trained in it as it's still see as a niche intervention despite its NICE status. DBT isn't really special in that regard unfortunately, there's not enough funding or therapist for any psychological intervention. CBT has only got the traction it has because its relatively cheaper, thankfully it at least does have evidence for affective disorders. It frustrates me no end how poor the provision of psychological therapies is. EdBlackadder fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Jose posted:not really no. i'm not a violent person and they're insignificant in the grand scheme of things and my time on this planet is short It all makes sense when you realize they're just larpers who've deluded themselves into thinking they serve some kind of higher purpose.
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EdBlackadder posted:DBT isn't really special in that regard unfortunately, there's not enough funding or therapist for any psychological intervention. CBT has only got the traction it has because its relatively cheaper, thankfully it at least does have evidence for affective disorders. It frustrates me no end how poor the provision of psychological therapies is. It's the old postcode lottery though. Where I'm based we have a large psychology therapies service providing art therapy, DBT, MBT, CBT, EMDR, psychodrama and psychotherapy. Across the road ( literally) where you would fall under the care of another locality/provider they have close to gently caress all
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tekz posted:It all makes sense when you realize they're just larpers who've deluded themselves into thinking they serve some kind of higher purpose. It's all relative. They're certainly above the likes of you.
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I'd like to personally apologise for the time the EDL came to Sheffield and were standing around pissed out of their skulls in the middle of West Street blocking traffic and threatening people. One of them swore at me and I swore back, but now I know that was wrong. Then a bunch more disgusting anti-racist protestors turned up and started shouting at them and violating their rights to freedom of speech and protest by trying to stop them putting their racist paraphernalia on the war memorial in Barker's Pool. Looking back on it, I am deeply ashamed that a nice multicultural and studenty city like Sheffield would give such a rude welcome to a bunch of random pissed-up racists who had turned up to cause trouble, we should have just let them get on with it, I accept that now.
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If they were just marching quietly with a couple of flags then there'd be no point counterprotesting. Instead they stomp around the streets getting beered up and shouting abuse at people, and that's not on. They're there for a fight and don't even attempt even the faintest veneer of peaceful protest. If they weren't fighting antifa who turn up ready for a scrap they'd end up kicking the poo poo out of some poor sod going to the shops in a turban or chucking half-bricks at women in headscarves.
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It does bear repeating that these aren't misunderstood philosophers who are just aching for intellectual competition for their beliefs, they are straight up violent thugs who, if left unopposed, would kick the poo poo out of anyone who fails the paper bag test that gets in their way. Their particular beliefs were recalled from the marketplace of ideas during the Nuremberg trials.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Bubble, bubble toil and trouble That's paywalled, just so you know. Also, never not bash the fash. While also voting for someone that isn't them.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:If they were just marching quietly with a couple of flags then there'd be no point counterprotesting. Instead they stomp around the streets getting beered up and shouting abuse at people, and that's not on. Genuine question: are the fascist marches/rallies big enough/publicised enough that they would attract police attention without anti-fascist demonstrators turning up?
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feedmegin posted:That's paywalled, just so you know. Just copy the article headline into google and go in through there. Works like a treat for FT.
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Niric posted:Genuine question: are the fascist marches/rallies big enough/publicised enough that they would attract police attention without anti-fascist demonstrators turning up? Yeah but who protects the nazis?
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Blacknose posted:Yeah but who protects the nazis? First they came for the skinheads. But I did not speak out, for I was not a skinhead. etc etc
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EdBlackadder posted:DBT isn't really special in that regard unfortunately, there's not enough funding or therapist for any psychological intervention. CBT has only got the traction it has because its relatively cheaper, thankfully it at least does have evidence for affective disorders. It frustrates me no end how poor the provision of psychological therapies is. This has been the entirety of my experience with mental healthcare since I've been with my partner. Going to A&E after poo poo goes down, a pat on the head and "we'll be in touch", and then gently caress all essentially.
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Niric posted:Genuine question: are the fascist marches/rallies big enough/publicised enough that they would attract police attention without anti-fascist demonstrators turning up? Genuine answer though yes the police would come but in smaller numbers and probably would be unable/unwilling to try and control the fash mobs. You could easily end up with multiple 10-20 strong squads of hard fash wandering the streets loving people up. The anti-fascists people who go to these things are there to prevent that from happening.
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Firos posted:These seem like a good lot You are right that self help isn't a substitute, but while you are waiting (hopefully for not too much longer  ) try searching around for distress tolerance specifically if she's struggling. Mindfulness can be great but crisis moments often need a bit more. I use frankensteined DBT skills in my practice sometimes, although I've received training we don't have the funding for a proper DBT service unfortunately. This website has some resources that might be helpful http://www.dbtselfhelp.com/ if you can find your way through the interesting site layout!
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Blacknose posted:Yeah but who protects the nazis? The police protect the nazis!
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Oberleutnant posted:The police protect the nazis! (His joke was that the police are the Nazis)
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:If they were just marching quietly with a couple of flags then there'd be no point counterprotesting. Instead they stomp around the streets getting beered up and shouting abuse at people, and that's not on. I disagree that there'd be "be no point counterprotesting" if they were "just marching quietly with a couple of flags". They are still literally nazis, and even if they could organise themselves to walk around without punching someone they must always be opposed.
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Apologies for the mail link, but they found a rather interesting thing with google search regarding the tories http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...conspiracy.html Literally nothing comes up to autocomplete for 'Tories are', which is really funny.
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Tesseraction posted:(His joke was that the police are the Nazis) ("Who protects the nazis? The police protect the nazis!" is an antifa chant.)
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serious gaylord posted:Apologies for the mail link, but they found a rather interesting thing with google search regarding the tories Maybe all of the suggestions for the Tories are too obscene for inclusion.
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