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SexyBlindfold posted:- 82 can't tell a lie, so she can't fib her way out of this I thought the Old Law being forged into their physical bodies prevented them from lying (without it cracking, that is.) Is there anything keeping them from breaking the rules while in the Void? E: I just noticed Juggernaut Star's 'ah ah ah' finger waggle. Cryophage fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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We don't really know exactly how the "no lies" thing works. We may find out very soon.
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Feb 2, 2016 05:45
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NecroMonster posted:We don't really know exactly how the "no lies" thing works. We may find out very soon. we kinda explicitly do dude even went back and added extra explanation, in case you didn't get it from watching 82 White Chain lie and what happened when she did
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Feb 2, 2016 05:49
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chapter 4 of K6BD, in which White Chain becomes the first papier mache angel
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Feb 2, 2016 05:52
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paranoid randroid posted:im the first dude counterclockwise from white chain, running like im late for the fight I'm not in this scene because I am chasing that goddamn key give it to me dammit.
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Feb 2, 2016 05:52
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Cryophage posted:I thought the Old Law being forged into their physical bodies prevented them from lying (without it cracking, that is.) "So clever ole’ Koss plucked them in one by one and smothered them in the ashes of his hearth. And from that hearth arose the Aeons, the Protectors. The Gods were even more astonished, for the terrible fires of Will burned even stronger in the Aeons. But Koss was exceptionally crafty, and very quick. Before the Aeons could struggle free from his hearth, encased in their shells of ash, he grabbed them with his tongs, and he beat the good ole’ Law into each one with his silver chisel." Koss may have beaten the law into the their soul flames rather than their physical bodies, the old devil's tale is ambiguous. But Zoss's smiting of the prime angels in the void may have damaged their soul flame in some way, freeing them from the law? We really don't know yet. I think it is more interesting if the law is in their souls, but if it is in their bodies that explains why getting a new body allows angels to walk a different path. 23 Liminal Blossom Punctures the Heart of the Unrepentant, Deliciously mentions that in reincarnation they will forget what change is, so maybe their reincarnation process brings the law back into them some how? NecroMonster posted:it'd still be 82. But that would probably be better than getting stuck in a body that looks like a loving sailor scout. Won't she be 83, because the number refers to how many times they have reincarnated?
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Feb 2, 2016 08:09
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Angels don't reincarnate just because they return to their armor, or get new armor for that matter. They have to "die" in the void. They also seemingly become entirely new "people" as part of this process. So 83 White Chain wouldn't know anything about Allison or the current situation.
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Feb 2, 2016 08:15
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I think it's more of a fading than a hard cutoff with regard to memories; 2 Michael apparently has some memory of being a prime angel, while 82 White Chain clearly doesn't. 83 might be able to recall Alison, but not anything specific about their time together. Though the thorn armour might have ended up overriding even that, so 
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Feb 2, 2016 08:20
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23 deliciously implied that she would forget completely
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Feb 2, 2016 08:23
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Eventually, sure. But who knows, it's not exactly crystal clear (and I hope it stays this way in general, if not for this specific point)
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Feb 2, 2016 08:33
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michael you motherfucker
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Feb 2, 2016 09:49
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What a dilhole.
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Feb 2, 2016 09:56
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i mean this isn't exactly surprising given what we knew of michael and know now about the thorns but it's pretty hosed up that he's basically pretending to be unaffiliated with the thorns as the first among bodied angels while apparently actually being a huge part of their deal
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Feb 2, 2016 10:02
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he's probably the real head of the thorns even. I mean, the meaning of his loving name right? this dude has aspirations.
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Feb 2, 2016 10:17
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NecroMonster posted:Angels don't reincarnate just because they return to their armor, or get new armor for that matter. They have to "die" in the void. They also seemingly become entirely new "people" as part of this process. So 83 White Chain wouldn't know anything about Allison or the current situation. On this page the bouncer at the guilded cage implies the destruction of White Chain's body would lead to her reincarnation. Renaissance Robot posted:I think it's more of a fading than a hard cutoff with regard to memories; 2 Michael apparently has some memory of being a prime angel, while 82 White Chain clearly doesn't. I don't think White Chain ever was a prime angel. Michael's lesson to White Chain about the prime angels would be weird if she were one too. Edit: VVV The old devils tale mentions 777 smoking shards of the cold white flame. But does that mean there are 777 prime angels, or 777 angels total? White chain describes her fire as smokeless, also, so maybe neither is true. Blackula Vs. Tarantula fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Feb 2, 2016 10:24
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i don't think there were that many prime angels, relatively speaking
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Feb 2, 2016 10:31
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Captain Redbeard posted:On this page the bouncer at the guilded cage implies the destruction of White Chain's body would lead to her reincarnation. umm... you know telling someone who intends to do something stupid "it's your funeral" doesn't mean you think they are literally going to die right?
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Feb 2, 2016 10:37
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to be fair, telling somebody "your funeral" in a place like throne is slightly more likely to mean you think they will actually die
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Captain Redbeard posted:I don't think White Chain ever was a prime angel. Michael's lesson to White Chain about the prime angels would be weird if she were one too. Not if she'd been one and forgotten. I'd gained the impression that as angels were made by Koss, who then died creating a universe along with the other gods, their number was fixed and they were all reincarnated from primes. Perhaps I took that passage too literally though, given the mural of the multiverse appearing later which suggests roughly a quarter of creation is comprised of unbound angels. Maybe the story with Koss only refers to the embodying of the primes, rather than suggesting that he formed their souls (and that only he could do so) from the white flame. Hm. Y'know what, we should have a holy war over this. That sounds like a good plan.
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the chances of there not being some sort of holy war before the end of the comic seem vanishingly small
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Feb 2, 2016 13:32
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Throne is likely suffering several Holy Wars at any one moment. Just because the Demiurges don't openly fight doesn't mean there is peace. If you use the corpse of a dead God as a mobile battle station, something must be holy.
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Feb 2, 2016 13:46
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i think it's just the corpses of prime angels that are mobile
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Tollymain posted:i think it's just the corpses of prime angels that are mobile maybe its a good thing white chain cant remember being a prime, then. because catching the 8:30 Yourself to work would be kind of weird
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MikeJF posted:Mmm, but their leader Metatron is totally beautifically humanlike. What is up with Metatron anyway? I thought first it was his real form bursting out of his crafted shell but I just realized that gently caress, they are in the void! Maybe he liked humans before the King hosed him up or something and that is why he looked so much like them? And that is why he is so gung-ho about getting rid of em'?
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Feb 2, 2016 16:44
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He got killed so hard his physical body shell got sent to the void.
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Feb 2, 2016 16:50
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"It was there...he learned of GOD's scribe. Metatron 1." I think Metatron, and his physical shell, have always been within the Void - Koss didn't get the chance to banish him from Throne because he was never there to begin with.
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To nip this confusion in the bud, you mean Zoss. Koss was a blacksmith god, Zoss is the conquering king.
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Renaissance Robot posted:To nip this confusion in the bud, you mean Zoss. Koss was a blacksmith god, Zoss is the conquering king. In my defense, I hadn't yet finished my coffee when I posted that.
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If reincarnation causes amnesia, why does 2 Michael remember his previous incarnation? Perhaps Koss made the prime angels and the other angels are kind of by product of that process, only getting physical bodies much later, when Zoss and the original demiurges forged the new pact. They don't seem to have brought back any of the prime angels but 2 Michael. Could angels be limited in power by their names, like devils? Prime angels have straightforward 1 word names, whereas others have longer descriptive names, maybe given to them by humans during the forging of the second concordance. Although this breaks down somewhat since 10 vigilant gaze has a long name and is said to be very powerful. As far as the specific nature of events before the creation of the multiverse, the mythology is intentionally self contradictory, different sources make different claims, but all of them are true, and none of them.
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I wrote a probably overlong post about what I think is going on with Angel names and reincarnation. With the crop of additional Angels just introduced, I think it still fits. The numbers don't seem to correspond with their strength or age given the text, but the name lengths do.
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Is 2 Michael the good cop or the bad cop?
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Captain Redbeard posted:On this page the bouncer at the guilded cage implies the destruction of White Chain's body would lead to her reincarnation. yeah the Prime Angels are the big columns chilling out around coming or going guy, aside from 2 Michael and Metatron they're (supposedly) all comatose I think the idea with the angels is, like the demons, there's endless swarms of them hanging out in the void and only a relative few get incarnated when someone in the normal universe wants them for some reason A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Feb 2, 2016 19:44
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He's the police chief who has the mayor breathing down his neck.
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I was thinking more like the bent chief from Witness.
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Have we actually confirmed that an angel's number corresponds to their number of reincarnations? Because honestly it seems more like a hierarchy. 2 Michael would directly below 1 Metatron, and above 3 [whoever].
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paranoid randroid posted:maybe its a good thing white chain cant remember being a prime, then. because catching the 8:30 Yourself to work would be kind of weird I enjoyed reading these two sentences very much.
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Who What Now posted:Have we actually confirmed that an angel's number corresponds to their number of reincarnations? Because honestly it seems more like a hierarchy. 2 Michael would directly below 1 Metatron, and above 3 [whoever]. Yes, it's been explicitly stated by the author but I can't find the post at the moment where he did so.
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The Mentalizer posted:Yes, it's been explicitly stated by the author but I can't find the post at the moment where he did so. Oh. Well never mind then.
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What if Metatron really is dead and someone is just using his body as a charade? Fill his lungs with air and play him like a bagpipe to make the holy words come out. Unlikely, it seems, but I'll just throw this out there. Otherwise, who's to say prime Angels can't lie?
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TheCIASentMe posted:What if Metatron really is dead and someone is just using his body as a charade? Fill his lungs with air and play him like a bagpipe to make the holy words come out. Weekend at Metatron's
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