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Stymie posted:lol i forgot ipad pro now has half assed multitasking because tim got scared by another batch of advertising I used it on my iPad Air 2 last night to flick through twitter and use awful.app while watching a youtube video it's a good feature
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Stymie posted:lol i forgot ipad pro now has half assed multitasking because tim got scared by another batch of advertising Tim? More like Tomb, because he's putting Apple in the grave.
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TFW in 5 years illegal immigrant workers will be able to do your 6 figgie job for $200 a week
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TFW foreign workers can already do your 6 figgie job in their home countries for dollars a day
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infernal machines posted:TFW foreign workers can already do your 6 figgie job in their home countries for dollars a day how to access these mens and womens of the far away land to program my disruptive app?
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infernal machines posted:mechanical turk? i thot this was just for "human intel" things like spamming or counting stuff
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sorry, yeah it's upwork you want then they even have a category for mobile devs
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you guys don't remember the outsourcing trend of the mid 2000's where idiot third world code janitors were going to do all of your computer touching for pennies. it turns out their code was garbage (even worse than yours) and any company that tried it got burned hard by the unusable poo poo they produced. somebody probably still got a bonus out of it
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The Management posted:somebody probably still got a bonus out of it
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i remember it just fine. are you saying there's something innate that makes 1st world western coders better?
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it was a hilarious shitshow for sure, but i suspect that had as much to do with wholesale outsourcing of entire divisions to new inexperienced contractors that had no institutional or project specific knowledge as anything else
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some guys got paid! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263492/Software-developer-fired-bosses-learn-outsourced-work-China-spent-ALL-DAY-surfing-web.html
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The Management posted:you guys don't remember the outsourcing trend of the mid 2000's where idiot third world code janitors were going to do all of your computer touching for pennies. it turns out their code was garbage (even worse than yours) and any company that tried it got burned hard by the unusable poo poo they produced. somebody probably still got a bonus out of it Pretty much every bank I have worked with offshores all their development to India, quite a few are smart enough to hire Indian developers onsite so they can enjoy the onshore-offshore delights. I'm always surprised with these frequently Java-only developers that many don't know how to use BSD sockets at all.
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infernal machines posted:i remember it just fine. are you saying there's something innate that makes 1st world western coders better? i dont know if this has anything to do with it or not, but sometimes i think about how a decent number of my coworkers here in china grew up food insecure, cooking over scrap wood fires without real indoor plumbing and now they design & build consumer electronics products. one thing i've noticed is our american and european workers seem to have a different intuitive understanding of some of these products that the chinese and indian workers dont seem to share, maybe because of earlier & greater exposure? i dont know
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Has anyone had any luck with controlling external media on Mac OS? I need to implement a policy of read-only for discs, USB drives, etc. Bonus difficulty is that these are standalone and not on any network. The third party solutions I've found either require the system to be on a network (McAfee, Sophos) or can't be used because they were developed overseas. It doesn't look like OS X Server has any policies relating to this, and any other hacks like removing the kernel extensions don't work on later releases.
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fart simpson posted:i dont know if this has anything to do with it or not, but sometimes i think about how a decent number of my coworkers here in china grew up food insecure, cooking over scrap wood fires without real indoor plumbing and now they design & build consumer electronics products. one thing i've noticed is our american and european workers seem to have a different intuitive understanding of some of these products that the chinese and indian workers dont seem to share, maybe because of earlier & greater exposure? i dont know amazing, and how long do you think this western advantage will last in the face of the rapid modernization of places like china and india?
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infernal machines posted:i remember it just fine. are you saying there's something innate that makes 1st world western coders better? familiarity with cultural and social expectations that are hard to communicate effectively
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The Management posted:you guys don't remember the outsourcing trend of the mid 2000's where idiot third world code janitors were going to do all of your computer touching for pennies. it turns out their code was garbage (even worse than yours) and any company that tried it got burned hard by the unusable poo poo they produced. somebody probably still got a bonus out of it my company still does this and i have to write customizations for clients on top lately i've been giving up and entirely re-writing entire chunks of the codebase because it's easier / less stressful 
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the biggest reason for lovely code would probably be lack of proper communication, much like most other projects (this can be due to language barriers, time zone differences, etc) technical skill is probably a factor but you can do a whole lot with average people if they can work together well (then this begs the question of "what determines a high skill programmer")
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i've seen lovely code that you wouldn't believe
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do people in programming actually do anything innovative or do they just stick stuff togethter???
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BONGHITZ posted:do people in programming actually do anything innovative or do they just stick stuff togethter??? lol they just stick stuff together and feel smug about it cause they have brought more garbage full of bugs into the world than non programmers
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rename source control to "landfill" imho
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BONGHITZ posted:do people in programming actually do anything innovative or do they just stick stuff togethter??? it's actually super easy but the secret is it's so aggressively boring very few people can manage
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BONGHITZ posted:do people in programming actually do anything innovative or do they just stick stuff togethter??? programmers don't do anything, not in any meaningful sense
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BONGHITZ posted:do people in programming actually do anything innovative or do they just stick stuff togethter??? a programming project is like any other, basically: - Know what you want to have at the end (your "scope" or "end-product") - Know your constraints ( "can't use more than x amount of RAM", "Must be completed in four months", etc) - Know what tools you have (libraries, etc) - Know what resources you need to finish the project (manpower, time, etc) - Actually do the gruntwork <----- this is where programmers come in - Maintain the project so it doesn't fall outside of your constraints (budget, time, etc) the gruntwork can show aspects of creativity, such as doing things in such a way as it reduces the amount of memory required/processing time/etc, but it's not necessarily true. this is looking at a high level perspective though
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arguably, the gruntwork is the least critical part of that entire process
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infernal machines posted:arguably, the gruntwork is the least critical part of that entire process it is, don't tell programmers that they get uppity tho
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without them nothing would get made though, wouldn't it?
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and nothing of value was lost
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careful, too much of that thinking and you might end up with my company's 4 levels of management on a 6 person app development team, with one of the two actual gruntworkers soon getting a promotion to manager
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Raere posted:Has anyone had any luck with controlling external media on Mac OS? I need to implement a policy of read-only for discs, USB drives, etc. superglue
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Dodoman posted:without them nothing would get made though, wouldn't it? sure, but specifically who does it is largely unimportant. a dozen guys doing work-a-day programming will do the job just fine. but no number of rockstar 10x code ninjas is going to save a poorly managed project from failure so while programming needs to be done, the programmers themselves don't matter
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Shaggar posted:superglue i believe epoxy is the preferred standard
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alphabet just lapped apple for the most valuable us company gosh who could have foreseen that tim's leadership was harming the business??
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Necc0 posted:i've seen lovely code that you wouldn't believe Today I found out that the "backout procedure" written by an on-site Indian guy we hired away from a consulting firm just silently truncates every history table and exits. Glad no one ever ran that and I have no idea how that got into production without anyone noticing.
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until their saviour tori entered the scene
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