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Perestroika posted:Besides, isn't the usual response to a car approaching a checkpoint at high speed with no intent of stopping to open fire with everything available since it might be a suicide bomber? So under those ROEs, chances are that all occupants of the car would have been killed. I can definitely confirm that. In general (and individual units vary slightly), the procedure is to wave them off and fire some warning shots before engaging, but the soldier on the spot is supposed to use their judgement; if the threat is coming on quickly you're allowed to skip steps because "your safety and the safety of your fellow soldiers is the highest priority." When I was deployed, one of the turret gunners from our third platoon wound up engaging and killing the driver of a vehicle that was approaching his checkpoint without slowing down. It turned out that the guy was like 65+ years old and in America would have been considered legally blind, and he just didn't see the checkpoint because of the visibility conditions. Dude (the shooter) did the right thing, but still wound up ending someone's grandpa because grandpa had no idea he was doing anything dangerous or threatening SUPPORT ARE TROOOOPS KEEP EM FITIN'
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OxySnake posted:With any luck they saw The Big Short instead and came out with the exact opposite conclusions. That they saw a good movie?
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Brennanite posted:We've got a live one from the wilds, folks! I'm the FCC involved in auditing the cell phone grant program.
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As a Bernie Supporter, I am finding Bernie Supporters to be insufferable. They are obsessed with this coin flip bullshit.   
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i wonder just how many are/were paulbots transplanting their conspiracy theories about THE MAN keeping their guy down onto bernie now
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You know that Hillary supporters would by crying about it if Bernie had won by a coin toss.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:i wonder just how many are/were paulbots transplanting their conspiracy theories about THE MAN keeping their guy down onto bernie now Quite a lot, I'd imagine. The Bernie-or-stay-home crowd certainly aren't lifelong Democrats.
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Armyman25 posted:You know that Hillary supporters would by crying about it if Bernie had won by a coin toss. The fracturing of the left is painful to watch (again) but I actually came into this knowing that coin-tosses are valid in some places and the statistics have their place. Do 99 coin-flips and get 99 heads? You still have a 50/50 chance on the next coin-flip. It's not Vegas. Clinton didn't use weighted coins or whatever is the favorite conspiracy theory. Hell, no matter what I don't care about IA except that it is undoubtedly a statistical tie within the margin of error and we know that Santorum took IA in 2012 but it was after Romney had been "crowned." It's Iowa. I'll not say anything else about stats, or probability, or who can win. All those dumb words to say, "Had this 'flipped' the other way, Sanders would be the winner in IA and ... nothing much else except outrage from the other direction.
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Armyman25 posted:You know that Hillary supporters would by crying about it if Bernie had won by a coin toss. And I'm sure if Bin Laden was killed under Bush, Democrats would totally pretend it didn't happen, so it's fine that Republicans have refused for years to acknowledge that Obama killed him. At least according to Republicans.
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Fulchrum posted:And I'm sure if Bin Laden was killed under Bush, Democrats would totally pretend it didn't happen, so it's fine that Republicans have refused for years to acknowledge that Obama killed him. At least according to Republicans. EVERYTHING bad happened under Obama. Durrrrr.
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Dr. Faustus posted:Regardless of the fact that Armyman25's stated opinions and mine (stated or not) are usually at odds, I have been following many liberals/progressives on Twitter; and the the animosity is increasingly demonstrable to the extent that this opinion, in the way he's stated it, is undoubtedly true. You're actually giving that meme too much credit. There's no actual evidence for the "Hillary won six coin flips" claim right from the start, because officials not using the app had no requirement to report when a delegate was awarded due to a coin toss. In fact, the head of the IDP said Sanders won six out of seven. Idran fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Whoa! Sanders won six out of seven? The odds of that are only 5%. Sounds like fraud to me!
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Fulchrum posted:And I'm sure if Bin Laden was killed under Bush, Democrats would totally pretend it didn't happen, so it's fine that Republicans have refused for years to acknowledge that Obama killed him. At least according to Republicans. Obama didn't kill anyone. I doubt either he or Bush greatly influenced the intel work that led to the seal attack. Obama has a few foreign policy coups like the nuke treaty, but overall America doesn't have a very good grade for either of the past two presidencies. I can understand the sports fan/low information voter mentality for giving Obama credit here, rhetorically or ironically. However, revenge killing is not a real life priority and Obama's particiption is basically being in the right place at the right time. Receive a phone call asking whether we should go ahead and kill bin Laden: not a brave or difficult decision.
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Moxie posted:Obama didn't kill anyone. I doubt either he or Bush greatly influenced the intel work that led to the seal attack. Obama has a few foreign policy coups like the nuke treaty, but overall America doesn't have a very good grade for either of the past two presidencies. If the raid had been an abysmal failure, leading to the death or capture of dozens of Navy Seals, it would definitely have been Obama's fault. No one would seriously entertain a claim that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and that he only Received a phone call.
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Yup, nothing is as politically safe as sending troops on a dangerous operation in a foreign country in your first term while constantly under political attacks from all sides. I'm sure if something had gone wrong, or the info that his own vp said was not solid enough for him had been wrong, everyone would have just laughed and given him a good old "nice try old chap, better luck next time".
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Hi I usually lurk here but this was too good to pass on. http://imgur.com/Mr752Z3
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Man the Iowa Caucuses must have really riled my grandpa up, because he is on a roll. Yes, the end is cut off in the original post for extra hilarity.Brennanite's Crazy Grandpa posted:Conveniently Forgotten Facts.
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Idran posted:You're actually giving that meme too much credit. There's no actual evidence for the "Hillary won six coin flips" claim right from the start, because officials not using the app had no requirement to report when a delegate was awarded due to a coin toss. In fact, the head of the IDP said Sanders won six out of seven. I'm not disputing the statistics or even the legitimacy of coin-flips in the IA Caucus. The only thing I agreed with was this: If the general perception of the worst of Hillary voters was that Sanders won by pure chance then they'd be loving losing their poo poo. In that sense, I am confident it is the case.
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Moxie posted:Obama didn't kill anyone. I doubt either he or Bush greatly influenced the intel work that led to the seal attack. Obama has a few foreign policy coups like the nuke treaty, but overall America doesn't have a very good grade for either of the past two presidencies. I think it's pretty well established that the compound was under surveillance for a couple years. It was simulated and practiced many times on US soil before the attempt. The final decision to make the attempt (much like Carter and the hostages) was up to the POTUS. In short, I believe you are not thinking this through very well.
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Wasn't some of the surveillance done under the guise of vaccination teams? Which now means that actual vaccination teams are being killed as suspected spies, hampering the eradication of polio?
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Bernie Bros can take solace in the fact that even if he won Iowa, he's still destined to lose overall since he's not even close for South Carolina or California. I wish Democrats were as optimistic as Animal Nuz and were like "both candidates are GREAT!" instead of this infighting.
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Moxie posted:Obama didn't kill anyone. I doubt either he or Bush greatly influenced the intel work that led to the seal attack. Obama has a few foreign policy coups like the nuke treaty, but overall America doesn't have a very good grade for either of the past two presidencies. Obama's presidency would likely have been a lot better if Congress let him do anything. It's amazing that he got the watered down ACA that we got. Blaming everything on Obama is absurd; his presidency has largely been defined by a few Republican Senators sitting on the "off" button for the government for years and declaring that their primary goal was to sabotage Obama at all costs. We're looking at nearly a decade of deliberate Republican obstructionism paralyzing the federal government's ability to do much of anything. Sorry but you can't pin this on Obama. He's far from the disaster that Bush was but had the audacity to commit the crime of getting elected while being a black Democrat.
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Dr. Faustus posted:Actually, Idran, you've missed my point entirely. Oh, okay, I see what you mean; I did miss your point, my mistake there.
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nidrod posted:Hi I usually lurk here but this was too good to pass on. That's actually kinda funny in a really dark way.
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Bernie Sanders as VP- I'm guessing this would be an utterly pyrrhic victory for social democrats? I doubt he'd be able to do anything to steer the Hillary ship toward his policies- even if she'd do well take heed given his support.
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JVNO posted:Bernie Sanders as VP- I'm guessing this would be an utterly pyrrhic victory for social democrats? I doubt he'd be able to do anything to steer the Hillary ship toward his policies- even if she'd do well take heed given his support. I want her to choose McAuliffe just so she's really teabagging the Republican party when she wins. "Hey guys, look at what I beat you with!"
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Dr. Faustus posted:I think it's pretty well established that the compound was under surveillance for a couple years. It was simulated and practiced many times on US soil before the attempt. The final decision to make the attempt (much like Carter and the hostages) was up to the POTUS. When, exactly, was that established?
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Brennanite posted:Man the Iowa Caucuses must have really riled my grandpa up, because he is on a roll. Yes, the end is cut off in the original post for extra hilarity. This is super old because Bill Lee was head of United States Justice Department's Civil Rights Division from 1998-2001.
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Dr. Faustus posted:Actually, Idran, you've missed my point entirely. I'm not so sure. It's been pretty disappointing to see how whole hog some Bernie supporters have gone with GOP conspiracy theories about the Clintons. I think there would be bitching about the coin flips if the results had gone the other way, but not the same kind of rhetoric about being staffed by liars and cheats and committing fraud.
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I just got an unironic "rigged in their favor" about tax breaks for poor people with children. I'm trying really hard to be nice so I just replied with "I would think if it was rigged in their favor they wouldn't be poor anymore  "
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losonti tokash posted:I thought we'd already agreed to replace the Iowa coin flips with ritualized deathmatches? They couldn't come to an agreement on whether to go with Zandronum or Doomsday.
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Brennanite posted:Man the Iowa Caucuses must have really riled my grandpa up, because he is on a roll. Yes, the end is cut off in the original post for extra hilarity. I'm genuinely curious, is this even a thing that there is even evidence to suggest they were involved? Or is it "black radical found dead in river, suspiciously shifty sheriff blames other blacks"? Thanatosian posted:This would mostly be one fewer Progressive voices in the Senate. Not to mention that I doubt Hillary is going to choose someone from the Northeast as her VP. She could get the same effect with Julian Castro, with the added benefit that Castro isn't loving despicable. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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MasterSlowPoke posted:They couldn't come to an agreement on whether to go with Zandronum or Doomsday. Now I really want to see Bernie tearing it up in Brutal Doom.
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Fulchrum posted:I'm genuinely curious, is this even a thing that there is even evidence to suggest they were involved? Or is it "black radical found dead in river, suspiciously shifty sheriff blames other blacks"? Alex Rackley was a member of the Panthers who was tortured and murdered by other members of the Panthers on suspicions of being an informant. Wikipedia has a rundown of it, not sure how good it is, though.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:They couldn't come to an agreement on whether to go with Zandronum or Doomsday. You know how they should have decided that?
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