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El Pollo Blanco posted:I think they've sidestepped the 'poor people's tax monies are paying for middle class education' by including more forms of tertiary education than university, ie. apprenticeships. It's not gonna work because I don't trust national to argue in good faith. Mind you, I don't trust labour to either. Well jacinda ardern probably would. I dunno....
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fong posted:Depends how they're getting the money to pay for it. They'll face that argument that free university uses poor people's tax money to educate people already at an advantage
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Feb 1, 2016 05:47
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Ghostlight posted:Who is even going to make that argument? Oh you 
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 an actual meaty policy lol, I'm shocked Robertson hinted there'll be more to come for retraining https://twitter.com/grantrobertson1/status/693729462462992384 Ghostlight posted:Who is even going to make that argument? It's the rightwing line already
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Feb 1, 2016 06:45
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We live in such a strange country that a rightwing government who raised GST rather than high-income tax would use a leftwing argument like not taxing the poor to advantage the wealthy. Strange in that somehow the leftwing fails to communicate this is what the rightwing is doing.
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Feb 1, 2016 06:55
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What's the term for a left-wing with a spine, again?
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Feb 1, 2016 06:57
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I knew young labour ppl who used that argument too. I was quite surprised to see this, of all the major policy possibilities, to come out of Labour. The argument isn't so dumb, like it is mostly middle class or rich people who go to university, though obviously not exclusively. But it ignores the fact that more tertiary education benefits everyone, not just the recipient of the education. Plus the other reasons given here. Does anyone know if its three years absolutely or the equivalent of three years' full time study? Like could you take it over 5 years part time?
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WarpedNaba posted:What's the term for a left-wing with a spine, again? We've never had one in this country, so no idea.
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WarpedNaba posted:What's the term for a left-wing with a spine, again? bolsheviks?
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fong posted:I knew young labour ppl who used that argument too. I was quite surprised to see this, of all the major policy possibilities, to come out of Labour. Pretty sure the policy indicates it is three full years, so you could use it part time over however many years you choose? BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:We've never had one in this country, so no idea. I dunno, Samuel Parnell meeting new immigrant workers at Port Nicholson and telling them they'd be thrown in the harbour if they worked more than 8 hour days demonstrates some spine?
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Feb 1, 2016 08:03
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Drowning the proletariat for working harder doesn't sound very left-wing to me.
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Feb 1, 2016 08:04
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According to the Herald, Key is to be blocked from the Te Tii Marae on Waitangi Day. According to Fairfax, the Kaumatua of the northern Iwi overturned the vote to ban him. He is simultaneously banned from, and welcomed on to the Marae, basically. Katie Bradford has the numbers - at the hui where the decision was made, 38 voted to ban him, 14 voted to welcome him on. Ngapuhi elder Kingi Taurua is stating that the elders do not have the authority to overrule such a vote, especially when it's overwhelmingly towards one outcome. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Vagabundo posted:According to the Herald, Key is to be blocked from the Te Tii Marae on Waitangi Day. According to Fairfax, the Kaumatua of the northern Iwi overturned the vote to ban him. He is simultaneously banned from, and welcomed on to the Marae, basically. Schrödinger's oval office
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Feb 2, 2016 03:26
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My boss just came back from a holiday up north raging about the fact that it's no longer free to enter the treaty grounds, you now have to pay twenty five bucks.
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Slavvy posted:My boss just came back from a holiday up north raging about the fact that it's no longer free to enter the treaty grounds, you now have to pay twenty five bucks. Is it? My dad got pissy about that a few years ago, but you used to be able to show your drivers license or library card or w/e and they'd let you in free. e: it's now $15 for residents, valid for 2 days
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Feb 2, 2016 06:14
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That's a bargain if you can land and park a plane there!
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Feb 2, 2016 06:18
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Ghostlight posted:Who is even going to make that argument? Steven Joyce, a couple of days ago.
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Feb 2, 2016 06:45
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They brought the entry fees back after the GFC because they said international visitor numbers were too low to rely on them to pay for upkeep.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Schrödinger's oval office holy poo poo
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Feb 2, 2016 06:48
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https://twitter.com/BreakfastonOne/status/694221960813764608 hm.
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Feb 2, 2016 07:13
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a lesser percentage than that of someone earning more, because that's how tax rates work
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Feb 2, 2016 07:18
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the waitress defender
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Feb 2, 2016 07:21
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Are they suggesting they want poor people to pay less, and rich people to pay more? Sounds like the pigs are gonna have to do some more doorknocking
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Feb 2, 2016 07:25
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If the waitress is us and the student is your fat loving worthless self, you plutocratic sack of poo poo, then I'd happily say 'Enough to buy your noose and no more'.
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Feb 2, 2016 07:34
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What are the odds the waitress is doing it part time to get through uni because the living costs/allowance is not enough to loving live on
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Feb 2, 2016 07:37
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I guess it depends whether she is able to retain a job after exposing sexual harassment in her place of employment?
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Taitale posted:What are the odds the waitress is doing it part time to get through uni because the living costs/allowance is not enough to loving live on I remember thinking retraining might be a good idea, then study link told me I'd get $150 a week and with that I'd be able to... Pay my rent. Not eat, or do anything other than pay rent.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:I remember thinking retraining might be a good idea, then study link told me I'd get $150 a week and with that I'd be able to... Pay my rent. That's pretty lucky. I'm a student with two dependant children. I get 220 per week. That's half the rent of a place big enough for 2 bedrooms in the auckland area.
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Feb 2, 2016 07:53
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Spiteski posted:That's pretty lucky. I'm a student with two dependant children. I get 220 per week. That's half the rent of a place big enough for 2 bedrooms in the auckland area. Is that living costs as opposed to allowance or with a partner or what? I will be getting $250 when I start uni later this month in Christchurch.
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Taitale posted:Is that living costs as opposed to allowance or with a partner or what? That's student allowance including accom supplement of 17 dollars. I can also get the family tax credit of 156 from the IRD but that's not directly related to studying, and most people I know of end up getting that at the end of the year.
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Spiteski posted:That's student allowance including accom supplement of 17 dollars. I can also get the family tax credit of 156 from the IRD but that's not directly related to studying, and most people I know of end up getting that at the end of the year. That really sucks.
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Are they suggesting they want poor people to pay less, and rich people to pay more?
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Taitale posted:That really sucks. I'm extremely fortunate that my parents are both medium-high income earners and are willing to postpone their retirement 3-4 years in order to provide us with free accomodation. If it weren't for them I literally would not be able to afford to educate myself.
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Spiteski posted:I'm extremely fortunate that my parents are both medium-high income earners and are willing to postpone their retirement 3-4 years in order to provide us with free accomodation. Plus, your kids will have their grandparents on hand!  I kinda wish I'd been a better grandson.
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fong posted:They'll face that argument that free university uses poor people's tax money to educate people already at an advantage lol took them a whole day before trotting it out
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Feb 2, 2016 13:17
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I only want waitstaff taxes to fund people with zero chance of making more money than them, like theology majors and fine art students
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Feb 2, 2016 14:46
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As if some arts student is going to make more money than a waitress after graduation, pull the other one John!! e: oh gently caress that was literally the joke above my post 
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Feb 2, 2016 23:29
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For serious, a) Proportionally and actually less than a CEO's, this is how income tax works, as opposed to the Key-favoured GST where proportionally more of the waitress' taxes "will go" toward student debt. (Tax is not this granular Mr. Key) b) It is important to enable the next generation access to better opportunities than you yourself had, because otherwise you end up in the exact kind of Social Security crisis we have been refusing to address where the old people are living longer, own more things, and yet still want a stipend from the improverished youth. How much of that waitress' taxes should go to a pensioner who is at the end of their productive life rather than starting it?
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Feb 2, 2016 23:56
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Holy gently caress John Key's reasoning is horrendous. Obviously it's to pander to dimwits who think it's a rational concern but anyone with any sense can see how ridiculous that is. If only someone would actually call him out..
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If no taxes should go towards paying for tertiary education, then I suggest that no taxes should go towards paying MP's rather high salaries either. After all, they're much better off financially than we are.
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