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ComicsAlliance has been running a lot of these "Is [popular thing] Actually Good?" articles lately. Some of them are good but it's mostly just clickbait.
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Feb 2, 2016 20:46
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quote:Phantom Blood establishes a lot of what I think is bad or ugly or (I know this is a strong word. I’m using it on purpose) repellent about the series as a whole. [...] Hyperstylised clothing, that’s ignored by normal-looking people and never acknowledged by those wearing it? So the fashion clothing is so bad that maybe it voids Araki's emotional integry as a storyteller Do I have to read more of this because I'm pretty bewildered already
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Feb 2, 2016 20:58
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ChaosArgate posted:I'm willing to hear them out for at least one more part since Part 1 doesn't have a lot of what makes JoJo great. What makes the article bad and not worth reading ISN'T that they don't like PB or JoJo as a whole. It's that they make basically no effort to analyze or communicate why they think it's bad. It's just two people basically in a feedback loop of "PB is sooo bad you guys" without having any thesis or ability to tie their examples to a larger critique.
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Feb 2, 2016 21:00
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hoobajoo posted:The biggest failing is I still don't understand why they don't like it overall. Their concrete points, as far as I gathered, was that it looked like HnK, Araki's early art is rough, and no female agency. These are all true, but none of them seem to be the focus of any argument, and it just comes across as 90% being angry for the sake of it. The thing that really bugged me was the way they discussed the universe reboot as if Araki wanted to throw out the previous six parts and that reading all of it is a waste of time. I really like reviews that are actual expressions of writers' opinions and personal reactions to things, but they never go beyond that superficial anger and bewilderment.
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Feb 2, 2016 21:02
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Claire literally only dislikes it because she had quote headcanons unquote about what the series was like and she's upset its different. She literally explains this in her introduction and everything afterwards feels weird specifically because it's her backfilling an argument to justify her opinion. It's Bad Faith Criticism in the purest sense.
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Feb 2, 2016 21:22
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mr. stefan posted:Claire literally only dislikes it because she had quote headcanons unquote about what the series was like and she's upset its different.
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Feb 2, 2016 21:25
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From the article:quote:Ye Olde JoJo’s girlfriend gets kissed by Dio, and I found it so insulting, the way that kiss was used was like a rape. The composition of the story, the characters reactions, created a structure of response identical to those following rape in fiction; when rape is used to motivate the men around and despite the female victim of it. Dio kisses Erina before JoJo can, which makes her feel sullied, which makes her reject JoJo — Dio tortures JoJo via the molestation of his sweet pretty girlfriend. What they seem to be saying is the kiss scene was somehow not really rape (it was) and Araki wasn't admitting it was rape, even when every aspect of the story treats it like one. I agree it's a lazy way of developing a character, and if it turns you off of JoJo, that's fair enough. But saying Araki presented Dio as doing anything other than rape in that scene is insane. And if their problem is instead Erina being physically forced to kiss someone isn't "really" rape, that's 100x more disgusting than Araki at his most sexist. hoobajoo fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Feb 2, 2016 21:39
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It also completely omits Erina's reaction to it, which is to shut down Dio pretty good.
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Feb 2, 2016 21:46
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Here's why Phantom Blood glosses over and doesn't get too deeply into the connotations and ramifications of Dio kissing Erina. "Hey, Shonen Jump, I'm gonna write a story about the ramifications of a child raping another child, it's also going to buck the common trend of what's popular now by having western characters and the protagonist is going to die at the end. All in all, this is going to be extremely controversial and not worth the aggro" "Um..." "Yeah, so JoJo is cancelled? Right, gotcha."
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Feb 2, 2016 21:50
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Have you ever seen someone who missed the whole point of a series this badly...? Like if it's not to your taste, that's fine, but i've never seen The Point fly over someone's head so high that it went into orbit. MonsieurChoc posted:It also completely omits Erina's reaction to it, which is to shut down Dio pretty good. Erina's reaction is the best part of that scene. Good on Araki for at least understanding how a Victorian era girl raised to be a "lady" would throw shade at someone.
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Feb 2, 2016 21:55
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
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Feb 2, 2016 21:57
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Also from what I read (gently caress reading that whole thing) they just ignore the fact that part one came out 30 years ago, so a lot of the stuff was "in style". Like the Erina stuff might be a problem for them, yes, but that whole style of situation was pretty common back then and wasn't thought of in the same way as it is today. What I'm saying is that their opinions are bad.
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Feb 2, 2016 22:10
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Claire's got so much edge that even DIO's like take a chill pill. I don't know what I liked more, complaining that part 1 doesn't have anything to do with the rest of the series (who cares) or that it isn't good because they didn't do anything new with the ripple like other parts did. You know, the part that introduced it.
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Feb 2, 2016 22:40
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Saying Phantom Blood has nothing to do with the rest of the series assumes that parts 2 through 6 aren't a part of the series I mean I guess if you want to jump from PB to Steel Ball Run that's your call but I can't recommend it
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Feb 2, 2016 22:49
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I feel like we've already given this article too much attention. Not gonna demand we switch gears here, but I'd recommend it.
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Feb 2, 2016 23:25
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I hope that when they dub Part 4, they give Tonio the fuckin' worst Italian accent. Take me to the heights of Bryce's Caesar. And just wait until Part 5.
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Feb 2, 2016 23:29
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I sincerely hope for Part 5 they either drop the accents for raise their game massively, Caesar's accent alone is enough for me not to watch the Part 2 dub
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Feb 2, 2016 23:32
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Cheesy accents just feel right for Jojo.
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Feb 2, 2016 23:36
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Does anyone have HD pictures for the Tarot card art from the anime? I'm specifically looking for the one for the Star, though the others would be nice too.
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Feb 2, 2016 23:53
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I hope the American dub is in Italian e: With American accents
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Feb 3, 2016 00:35
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I hope Tonio has a Brooklyn accent. Or maybe French and none of the characters understand how off that is.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:27
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i probably won't watch the dubs ever, so if they want to do lovely accents i guess that's okay. but the accents are still bad and/or hokey, like when they had people put them on for Baccano.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:45
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The test dub for part 3 was awesome. Then the new voice director told everyone to do an accent for part 1 and 2. Oops.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:12
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Actually, the accents are Good
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Feb 3, 2016 02:19
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One last thing about the last topic while moving past the comics alliance article. I feel I'm super biased on Jojo and it was interesting to see outsiders discuss it since I've been living in a echo chamber (this thread) for years , I was wondering if anyone had come across similar but more critical reviews of the Parts of the series that don't end up getting hooked on the series. Like maybe someone reading Rohan goes to the Louvre without any experience with Araki or Jojo, that would be heaven for me right now.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:50
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Closest I can do for you is type out my friends' reactions since I got most of them to hop on the Jojo train in the past year. I don't think that's quite what you're looking for though
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Feb 3, 2016 02:53
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Hello fellow people that like things, do you have anyone that does not like things
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Feb 3, 2016 02:54
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dogsicle posted:like when they had people put them on for Baccano. I don't remember the Part 3 dub very well except Jotaro was literally perfect.
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Feb 3, 2016 03:01
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i know several people who have dropped JoJo because of the female characters. don't have a really in-depth version of their criticism, but i do think it's valid and don't push them on it. even if Part 6 might be the singular arc they could enjoy.
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Feb 3, 2016 03:06
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Sinners Sandwich posted:One last thing about the last topic while moving past the comics alliance article. I feel I'm super biased on Jojo and it was interesting to see outsiders discuss it since I've been living in a echo chamber (this thread) for years , I was wondering if anyone had come across similar but more critical reviews of the Parts of the series that don't end up getting hooked on the series. I actually showed an older friend Rohan at the Louvre and he really liked the horror parts and how it was basically a ghost story and he also really liked the framing of the panels and the attention to detail. After I told him about Rohan being a big rear end in a top hat but also a sort of self-insert, he said it reminded him of another author who also had an rear end in a top hat self-insert character, but I forget the name of him at the moment.
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Feb 3, 2016 03:59
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Here's my reaction to anyone whose life doesn't revolve around JoJo at all times *small popping fart*
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Feb 3, 2016 04:00
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So the same as every other post you've made in the thread?
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Feb 3, 2016 04:14
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Bad Seafood posted:So the same as every other post you've made in the thread? Turn your monitor on!!
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Feb 3, 2016 04:20
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Bad Seafood posted:So the same as every other post you've made in the thread? drat, son. I will take it to mean my dissenting opinions are truly noticeable and have impact. Thank you Seafood. Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Feb 3, 2016 04:22
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BaDandy posted:I actually showed an older friend Rohan at the Louvre and he really liked the horror parts and how it was basically a ghost story and he also really liked the framing of the panels and the attention to detail. I've been able to sell people on Rohan at the Louvre when they hate everything else about JoJo. It can stand on its own very well as a horror story, I think. I also confess: I've told a couple people I've spoken to about picking up to JoJo to start with something other than Part I and I'll defend my decision there no matter what a purist says. I quite honestly think I wouldn't have been the least bit interested in sticking with it had I started with Pt I myself. I'm not saying I dislike it (though it's certainly my least favorite part) but what I like about it is heightened by my enjoyment of subsequent parts.
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Feb 3, 2016 04:30
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i think it's probably easier to get somebody to read a part other than 1, since a bunch have their own unique hooks that sell well to specific people. however the anime can also be good, since part 1 is pretty short and committing to a 20ish episode show isn't too hard.
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Feb 3, 2016 04:35
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Josuke Higashikata posted:drat, son. I give you a bad time but I'll totally have your back when some guy in a hospital bed somewhere is trying to drain your energy over a great distance. Or something.
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Feb 3, 2016 04:35
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Bad Seafood posted:I am the Rohan to your Josuke.
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Feb 3, 2016 07:13
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You need but ask.
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Feb 3, 2016 08:00
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I want to see what those critics think of Italian Food. Will the Jojo hater like it? Probably not, but maybe the reason will be interesting! (I also want to read their reaction to Highway Star's motorcycle scene because it's my favorite singular moment from Part 4 but I suspect it will be ignored in favor of the Speed comparison.)
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