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Honestly though, how does such potentially dangerous poo poo get sold to a largely unknowledgeable consumer base? It's just insane to think you can literally sell a product that is utterly incapable of meeting it's own standards and can cause serious harm to the buyer. I know, farm/lawn equipment but explosive power supplies aren't quite as obviously dangerous or malfunctional.
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Who likes reading jonny guru's death of a gutless wonder reviews? They're pretty great examples of bad PSUs. Death of a Gutless Wonder Death of a Gutless Wonder II: The Best of the Bestec Death of a Gutless Wonder III: The Labors of Hercules Death of a Gutless Wonder IV: Aces Low Death of a Gutless Wonder V: Uncool to the Max
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FaustianQ posted:Honestly though, how does such potentially dangerous poo poo get sold to a largely unknowledgeable consumer base? It's just insane to think you can literally sell a product that is utterly incapable of meeting it's own standards and can cause serious harm to the buyer. I know, farm/lawn equipment but explosive power supplies aren't quite as obviously dangerous or malfunctional. There's no 60 Minutes expose' or anything to really inform your average Tom, Dick, and Gadddafi who probably weren't messing with PC power supplies to begin with, and no children to think of (please think of the children your average computer builder probably doesn't have!). I'd imagine anything properly certified from a retailer probably meets safety standards, whether it will meet those standards after a few weeks of degradation from usage is another matter.
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To be honest those no-name pieces of crap power supplies usually work fine for a few years in a system with a lower-end CPU, no graphics card, and a single hard drive. Not that I'd recommend it, but when not loaded they are usually functional. E: Typo. Alereon fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Alereon posted:To be honest those no-name pieces of crap power supplies usually work fine for a few years in a system with a lower-end CPU, no graphics card, and a single power supply. Not that I'd recommend it, but when not loaded they are usually functional. Don't sugar coat this, the Best Buy special will incinerate him and everyone he cares about. These type of PSU's are often the blazing heart of cheap GPU-less prebuilt systems that are inclined to break in some other way before the PSU gives up the ghost.
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Cheapening out on RAM can make your system unstable, thrifting your CPU can make you lose performance, scrimping on your GPU can make your games run like poo poo, not getting a quality power supply can nuke all of it as it's the only thing physically connected to everything else in your system. If you're cool with that then yeah that's cool. There is a reason people are up in arms about this and it's because good hardware has died because of poo poo PSUs.
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Feb 3, 2016 07:03
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The alternative is only $30, can't you just return and replace?
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Alereon posted:To be honest those no-name pieces of crap power supplies usually work fine for a few years in a system with a lower-end CPU, no graphics card, and a single hard drive. Not that I'd recommend it, but when not loaded they are usually functional. A friend tested a few 300W no-name Chinese PSUs. A very large majority blew up once they went over 180W, and the rest blew up well before hitting 300W.
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I'm currently looking at (finally) upgrading my 660Ti with an MSI R9 390. It's open box, which has me a little concerned, but it's over $100 in savings and being on a bit of a budget, and wanting to upgrade my monitor, I can't pass it up. Never bought open box before, so I'm a little concerned.
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Dream of Janney posted:I'm currently looking at (finally) upgrading my 660Ti with an MSI R9 390. It's open box, which has me a little concerned, but it's over $100 in savings and being on a bit of a budget, and wanting to upgrade my monitor, I can't pass it up. Never bought open box before, so I'm a little concerned. The only reason to get that over a 290 is that the fans can go idle, but they randomly spin up on the desktop I find. The vram is pretty irrelevant too. The heatsink is also twice as thick so they can have trouble fitting in some stuff. Here's some MSI R9 290 for around $240 refurbed, but I've snagged MSI 290x for even less than that recently: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HQJBN6I/ I do see some Amazon warehouse deal R9 390 for $280 which will have a longer warranty remaining, I guess that's ok.
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Right now, it's at $260USD and the max bid I've set is $270USD. I'm in Canada, so this is actually quite a deal given what the prices are here. The majority of new 290's are more expensive than this by about $30CDN. And at best, with a deal, they're the same price as what I'm looking at paying here. The money/deal seem on point, so it's more the open box I had some concerns with, but it seems like most don't see it as an issue, and MSI is good with returns within the one-year from original purchase date.
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Last night, I learned that the awesome top panel 230mm exhaust fan on my HAF 932 does not just serve as a quiet cooling mechanism, but is also an awesome spray dispersal mechanism for the half-glass of water I knocked off my desk. The moment I did it, my screen went black. I unplugged everything and wiped out what I could find inside - mostly just small droplets, but everywhere. I think the fan legit dispersed it like a mist machine. If it hadn't, it probably would have splashed right onto my mobo/CPU - such was the trajectory. Some drops got on the exposed PCB on the "top" of my 670, which I think caused it to shut the screen off. Luckily, no smoke or anything. Turned it back on today and it came up fine. Was a little worried about how I was going to fill the gap between now and Pascal when I've been holding off so long. 
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Speaking of fans, can anyone recommend a PCI slot bracket for mounting a fan directly underneath the GPU?
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Seamonster posted:Speaking of fans, can anyone recommend a PCI slot bracket for mounting a fan directly underneath the GPU? Something like this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...Qw&gclsrc=aw.ds Found that doing a quick Google search for "gpu slot fan", there's a bunch of single/dual/triple ones of all sizes in the shopping section
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Seamonster posted:Speaking of fans, can anyone recommend a PCI slot bracket for mounting a fan directly underneath the GPU? This, maybe? vv I'd never buy a case that has open top vents, even if you never spill anything in, dust will pile up when the thing is off. But there's clearly a market for it, because it's very popular these days.. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Durinia posted:Last night, I learned that the awesome top panel 230mm exhaust fan on my HAF 932 does not just serve as a quiet cooling mechanism, but is also an awesome spray dispersal mechanism for the half-glass of water I knocked off my desk. The number one requirement my friend had when I was building her computer was no "tea hole". Best decision she ever made, hell I wish I'd put some kinda splash guard at the back to stop it dipping onto the rear ports and crap. At least you only spilt water though, I once had a Nintendo 64 that got put in a bag with a leaky 2 litre bottle of Coca Cola. The entire thing was submerged, Words can't describe how sticky that mess was.
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HalloKitty posted:This, maybe? They're pretty great for thermals, and you can put them under the desk, of course this, a corner desk with no room for air out the back and a 290 is a recipe for shorts in December, but you can't win them all.
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xthetenth posted:They're pretty great for thermals, and you can put them under the desk, of course this, a corner desk with no room for air out the back and a 290 is a recipe for shorts in December, but you can't win them all. Actually yeah, I was going to say, if you do have a case with top vents (which of course would be great for thermals) it should at the very least be under a desk, to minimise the most obvious risks. vv Another option, sure, but since I've had a case with dust filters, the inside is pretty clean even though it sits on the floor. You also then have the issue of noise, as the case is at head height. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Or have it high enough that very little would be on the same level as the top of case anyways... I don't understand putting cases on floors. Its a loving dust nightmare.
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Seamonster posted:Or have it high enough that very little would be on the same level as the top of case anyways... Tall feet and filters feature prominently on a huge fraction of good modern cases.
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Dream of Janney posted:Right now, it's at $260USD and the max bid I've set is $270USD. I'm in Canada, so this is actually quite a deal given what the prices are here. The majority of new 290's are more expensive than this by about $30CDN. And at best, with a deal, they're the same price as what I'm looking at paying here. The money/deal seem on point, so it's more the open box I had some concerns with, but it seems like most don't see it as an issue, and MSI is good with returns within the one-year from original purchase date. Unless it was dropped and doesn't work right off the bat, there is little to worry about with used GPU's.
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Some people say you don't buy graphics cards, you "rent" (buy used, sell used etc.) them which honestly is a very good idea. I got my R9 390 for ~40€ less as amazon warehouse deal because the packaging was hosed up (who cares) and the bracket was a little bent. Money well saved.
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I'm looking for a quadro fitting into a x16 3.0 pcie slot capable of pushing 1080p 60fps Youtube for a training video system. Hopefully, that translates to cheap and small . OS is Win 10 pro. Second most important requiremeny is minimal tdp.
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Why do you need a Quadro? A consumer card is fine for that unless you have some other specialist requirements.
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Need ECC memory to prevent dropped frames for avoiding lawsuits How about that new $30 card ? I can't remember it for some reason
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I'd get a 750ti if I could. In this case there is an E - I know this isn't a pc part picker thread. I don't keep up with nvidia's workstation line so I'm unfamiliar with naming and each chip's specific quirks, nonetheless what is good bang for buck value at the lower end. I can Google this on my own and am doing so, but I won't learn it quite as well as someone who as worked with Quadro line for a long time, and this thread's past recommendation for a 750ti for a friend some weeks back helped cut the wheat from the chaff. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Potato Salad posted:I'd get a 750ti if I could. In this case there is an Can you do it on IGP or is it Xeon or bust?
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Old low end Quadro from eBay for twenty bucks? I mean, since your employer seems to be big on stupid ideas.
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It's a v3 xeon 12xx. I'm inheriting the machine. It'll be replaced by an Intel igpu sysrem in two years by yours truly. Just need a holdover.
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Kazinsal posted:Old low end Quadro from eBay for twenty bucks? Not my employer. My employer did his best to keep this responsibility at arm's length. I'm constrained by what X client wants to do. Researchers  E: a $20 ebay card will do html5 video at 1080p 60fps smoothly? Double edit: later today when I'm not traveling I'll give you the story on how much this butt tard lab has piled into this thing. It's hilarious. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Six drives of storage, all different sizes. A mass of shares with no sensible permissions scheme. Oracle Virtualbox. And more.
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Potato Salad posted:I'd get a 750ti if I could. In this case there is an You can correlate Quadros and GeForces pretty easily with this table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units GeForce 745 = Quadro K620 (GM107 w/ 384 shaders) GeForce 750 = Quadro K1200 (GM107 w/ 512 shaders) GeForce 750ti = Quadro K2200 (GM107 w/ 640 shaders) The first one is probably all you need, since you only care about the hardware video decoder which is (AFAIK) exactly the same on all variants of the same chip. repiv fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Just buy whatever cheap quaddro you can that still gets driver updates.
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Well, I should throw my anecdote in since we're talking as cheap as possible. I have a backup GT 620 2gb that cost me probably $30 that I needed with qnix monitors when I was switching GPU's. It was not good enough to run youtube 1080p/60 fps. I don't know why. For whatever that's worth, there may be such a thing as too lovely for this.
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I use an HD6450 as second graphics card and it does 1080p60 youtube fine in firefox, and that's in Linux. It doesn't even use video hardware acceleration by the graphics card, I'm not even sure this is possible in my particular configuration. The HD6450 has a very low power consumption, especially the DDR3 model which you can pick up used for ten bucks on eBay if you keep looking. It's even passively cooled.
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Police Automaton posted:I use an HD6450 as second graphics card and it does 1080p60 youtube fine in firefox, and that's in Linux. It doesn't even use video hardware acceleration by the graphics card, I'm not even sure this is possible in my particular configuration. The HD6450 has a very low power consumption, especially the DDR3 model which you can pick up used for ten bucks on eBay if you keep looking. It's even passively cooled. Conversely, I bought a passively-cooled DDR3 HD6450 and it couldn't even handle resizing a window (in Windows 7 with Aero GPU acceleration) without loading the gpu to 100% and stuttering.
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Low-end videocards with DDR3 are substantially slower than onboard graphics, especially at tasks like video playback that depend on decent memory bandwidth. For AMD cards I wouldn't go below a 7730/R5 240 both for performance and driver longevity reasons, and for nVidia I wouldn't go below a GT 730 GDDR5. When you buy a lower-end card that's been rebadged for a few generations that invites losing driver support a year after purchase.Police Automaton posted:I use an HD6450 as second graphics card and it does 1080p60 youtube fine in firefox, and that's in Linux. It doesn't even use video hardware acceleration by the graphics card, I'm not even sure this is possible in my particular configuration.
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I remember when the HD 6450 was release and the general consensus was "The 5550 and 5570 exist, so why?". Hell, even a 4650 or 4670 was a better/cheaper choice for much greater performance. I am actually really glad iGPUs have caught up and made such garbage pointless.
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Alereon posted:Another way to phrase this might be "software rendering is faster than a Radeon 6450." Exactly. And why not? Not that I have a choice with firefox under linux anyways. td4guy posted:Conversely, I bought a passively-cooled DDR3 HD6450 and it couldn't even handle resizing a window (in Windows 7 with Aero GPU acceleration) without loading the gpu to 100% and stuttering. This is strange but also interesting though, basic compositing with likes of compton etc. under linux works fine with this card. Nobody get me wrong, the HD6450 is dead slow and I'm not challenging that. For basic tasks though, it does a fine job for me. FaustianQ posted:I am actually really glad iGPUs have caught up and made such garbage pointless. EDIT: quite agree, but sadly not all intel CPUs do have iGPUs. It's quite hard to find a card which will give you basic performance and also low power consumption. Hell, it's quite hard to find reliable information on power consumption quite often to begin with. Graphics cards can be pigs. Police Automaton fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Feb 4, 2016 |
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it means your GPU isn't doing anything except drawing pixels on screen, which honestly is pretty easy. a hd 5450 powered two monitors; 1920x1080 and 1920x1200. by no means did it hardware render worth a gently caress Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Feb 4, 2016 |
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