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Who will win the debate?
Former Hedge Fund Manager and Corporate Raider, Bernard Sanders
Inexperienced Hippie and Lifelong Pacifist, Hillary Rodham
The Ghost of Martin O'Malley
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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Currently some nice burns on how terrible DWS is though, which is cool.

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C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



mannerup posted:

"HES A GOD drat SOCIALIST"

don't forget the subtle antisemitism too

Bass Bottles
Jan 14, 2006

BOSS BATTLES DID NOTHING WRONG
Compared to the republican debates this was really good I think

A low low bar, but, yeah.

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010


distilleries.

Bernie got cucked again.

e: hahah that filter is amazing.

Combed Thunderclap
Jan 4, 2011




I'd say Hillary won that one, if only by demonstrating that she can reach the same decibel level as Bernie in the event of an emergency.

Yudo
May 15, 2003

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Oh so he's going to be supporting downticket races even during the presidential race?

Uh...someone should...tell him...

If only there were some sort of organized political group to support like minded candidates...

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Pick posted:

Just an unreal level of poo poo in the questions, lighting, shooting, the whole bit

Seriously, is this the first debate you've watched this campaign season? It's not good, but this is far from the worst.

Marlows
Nov 4, 2009
Hey! I take exception to that smear about ACC football.


What an odd metaphor.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Not a Step posted:

Well, first you go out and vote.

Thats basically it. Voter turnout is in the toilet in this country.

Maybe wear red when you cast your vote so you can feel a little subversive?


This but without sarcasm.

Vote for who, are you going to make these local leftist candidates manifest out of the mist?

Prorat
Aug 3, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
Who won? MSNBC bank accounts. Thanks for letting us use you for advertising money!

Fix
Jul 26, 2005

NEWT THE MOON

Yoshifan823 posted:

True, but maybe he's just throwing us off the trail. He loves the Iowa Caucuses and election history and random historical government facts.

Believe me, I harbored the same suspicion, up to the point where he was still posting while Dickerson was moderating a live debate.

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



Tatum Girlparts posted:

Vote for who, are you going to make these local leftist candidates manifest out of the mist?

I think that's what grassroots is called

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Majorian posted:

Seriously, is this the first debate you've watched this campaign season? It's not good, but this is far from the worst.

Nah but mostly I've been watching the Republican ones which are at least fun because the poo poo is at the expense of clowns and thieves and thievish clowns

Rexicon1
Oct 9, 2007

A Shameful Path Led You Here

Fix posted:

Joementum hasn't uncomfortably pushed the idea of "lanes" when discussing the Republican race, so no.

I don't understand this. Please help.

Rynn
Jul 23, 2003

Bad Caller posted:

young people go out and vote

people make grassroots support for candidates

BAM

I think you're giving too much optimism for a population with an abysmal voter turnout percentage compared to other countries. I want to hear him explain how he's going to motivate people to get involved other than throwing out buzzwords like "grassroots" and "revolution"

Dead Cosmonaut
Nov 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Vote for who, are you going to make these local leftist candidates manifest out of the mist?

That or abduct all of marxists that are said to exist within our universities, so they say

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
You want to know how you get a political revolution going?

1). Don't start with the loving presidential election
2). get a bunch of progressives/socialists elected to mayoral/state congress seats
3). enact socialist ideas on a smaller scale
4). say "look how well this poo poo works"
5). repeat on a larger scale until the glorious revolution sees the blood of the hedge funds run red in the streets

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



Prorat posted:

Who won? MSNBC bank accounts. Thanks for letting us use you for advertising money!

Did the livestream show ads because I had adblock on like a true bernie supporter

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

500,000 people with pitchforks outside of Mitch McConnel's office :getin:

The problem with this stupid idea is that McConnel won his most recent election by receiving the vote of less than 20% of the Kentucky population. He won't give a poo poo about a huge protest, just like the huge marches against the Iraq War did literally nothing.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
According to Chris Matthews, there was both coffee and hot water available in the green rooms.

Huge, if true.

mannerup
Jan 11, 2004

♬ I Know You're Dying Trying To Figure Me Out♬

♬My Name's On The Tip Of Your Tongue Keep Running Your Mouth♬

♬You Want The Recipe But Can't Handle My Sound My Sound My Sound♬

♬No Matter What You Do Im Gonna Get It Without Ya♬

♬ I Know You Ain't Used To A Female Alpha♬

Pick posted:

Nah but mostly I've been watching the Republican ones which are at least fun because the poo poo is at the expense of clowns and thieves and thievish clowns

the republican ones have been a WWF event in suits this season so far

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

At this point is the results of the debate going to have any effect on the NH primary?

Fix
Jul 26, 2005

NEWT THE MOON

Rexicon1 posted:

I don't understand this. Please help.

It's a clunky metaphor Dickerson uses to explain appealing to the various factions of Republican voters. Other pundits have picked up on it and it's really annoying because it's never applied well ever.

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



Yoshifan823 posted:

You want to know how you get a political revolution going?

1). Don't start with the loving presidential election
2). get a bunch of progressives/socialists elected to mayoral/state congress seats
3). enact socialist ideas on a smaller scale
4). say "look how well this poo poo works"
5). repeat on a larger scale until the glorious revolution sees the blood of the hedge funds run red in the streets

Seattle is doing that if its any consolation. Like hardcore its pretty much the progressive political lab at this point for a city. Humboldt County in Northern California have been doing it on a rural level already.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Pick posted:

Nah but mostly I've been watching the Republican ones which are at least fun because the poo poo is at the expense of clowns and thieves and thievish clowns

Who cares? Were you seriously hoping for the same level of entertainment from these two relatively sane individuals? I'm happy to watch these two not destroy their chances while the Republicans flay each other alive.

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

HiHo ChiRho posted:

At this point is the results of the debate going to have any effect on the NH primary?

Not much, but there are other states watching

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Bad Caller posted:

I think that's what grassroots is called

But...wait...

Ok, so the revolution comes by voting.

You vote for leftist candidates that meet the Sanders Stamp of Approval for progressives as we've seen.

But Sanders has done nothing to get these candidates active and supported.

So, after 2 years of getting nothing done, who do we vote for?

Dead Cosmonaut
Nov 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Yoshifan823 posted:

You want to know how you get a political revolution going?

1). Don't start with the loving presidential election

Obama did it.

Yoshifan823 posted:

2). get a bunch of progressives/socialists elected to mayoral/state congress seats

No centralized game strategy out of the DNC = no wins.

Yoshifan823 posted:

3). enact socialist ideas on a smaller scale

Federal government can deny states from adopting single payer.

Yoshifan823 posted:

4). say "look how well this poo poo works"

Your opponents might say that too.

Yoshifan823 posted:

5). repeat on a larger scale until the glorious revolution sees the blood of the hedge funds run red in the streets
I'm impatient though

Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

mannerup posted:

"death penalty for terrorism"

yeah because that won't be abused

It's what cops do when a black person terrifies them

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

blue squares posted:

I am actually very surprised that she supports the death penalty... I didn't know she supported it and I am very very turned off that she does.

Wow.

Yudo
May 15, 2003

Am I alone in disliking Chris Mathews?

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Hillary "Three Strikes" Clinton supports the death penalty: A revelation for the ages

Microwaves Mom
Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot
Watching what I watched of it which I think was like 30m inutes near the end. I think bernie deifnitely seemed stronger. Clinton was bland, spoke long about nothing, and made some weird statements like "start good things from happening"

Dead Cosmonaut
Nov 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

blue squares posted:

The problem with this stupid idea is that McConnel won his most recent election by receiving the vote of less than 20% of the Kentucky population. He won't give a poo poo about a huge protest, just like the huge marches against the Iraq War did literally nothing.

Maybe he can fly those people in from Kentucky to physically block the protestors from slaughtering him

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Vote for who, are you going to make these local leftist candidates manifest out of the mist?

From the same place Hillary is going to magically conjure candidates who will support her I guess? Also where is Hillary's support for these downticket races you speak so often of?

Could it be both candidates plan to use their primary/general campaign networks to support candidates (in the way Obama did during his general, then spectacularly failed to in any year after)

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Bad Caller posted:

Seattle is doing that if its any consolation. Like hardcore its pretty much the progressive political lab at this point for a city. Humboldt County in Northern California have been doing it on a rural level already.

Good. Let's get more of that poo poo going.

I firmly believe that Bernie is basically a socialist Goldwater, which, with any luck, means that the coalitions formed during this election will continue to stew for years until we get our Socialist Reagan (Liz Warren).

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



Majorian posted:

Who cares? Were you seriously hoping for the same level of entertainment from these two relatively sane individuals? I'm happy to watch these two not destroy their chances while the Republicans flay each other alive.

Even though I don't like it I actually care about who my local reps are and am weird and go to local town council meetings and such so I'll probably vote Hillary if she's there on the ticket this election

Kilo147
Apr 14, 2007

You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.

OrangeKing posted:

And really, the question is the basis for a video game and not much else, so it's a fine way to think about it. Or this board game that I've heard is decent:



holy poo poo, I have that game. It's fun as gently caress.

Philip Rivers
Mar 15, 2010

Majorian posted:

Seriously, is this the first debate you've watched this campaign season? It's not good, but this is far from the worst.

This was the best debate of the election cycle. Ranking debates in terms of the production value is the wrong thing to talk about, and the questions were by and large very good and brought out a lot of intensity in both candidates.

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Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Tatum Girlparts posted:

But...wait...

Ok, so the revolution comes by voting.

You vote for leftist candidates that meet the Sanders Stamp of Approval for progressives as we've seen.

But Sanders has done nothing to get these candidates active and supported.

So, after 2 years of getting nothing done, who do we vote for?

There's actually more happening downticket than you think.

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