Which non-Power of the Daleks story would you like to see an episode found from? This poll is closed. |
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Marco Polo | 36 | 20.69% | |
The Myth Makers | 10 | 5.75% | |
The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve | 45 | 25.86% | |
The Savages | 2 | 1.15% | |
The Smugglers | 2 | 1.15% | |
The Highlanders | 45 | 25.86% | |
The Macra Terror | 21 | 12.07% | |
Fury from the Deep | 13 | 7.47% | |
Total: | 174 votes |
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah, also given how many "Tombs" there must be lying around with Cybermen in suspended animation, there is no reason that the Doctor shouldn't be encountering differing levels of technologically upgraded Cybermen. I always really liked the Cybermen (in concept, if not execution) way more than the Daleks. I've not listened to any audios but I'm thinking of getting into them. That scene sounds cool as poo poo too. Which are some good Cyberman audios?
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# ? Feb 4, 2016 23:06 |
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And More posted:Ah, then I must have misunderstood you. As much as I'd like to listen to Season Two, I can't really afford spending 120 bucks on it. Eight's Season One is on offer, though, so I'm tempted. Maybe I'll skip some stuff, but Minuet in Hell honestly sounds like it could be fun. "Season 2" is Invaders From Mars up through Neverland (and arguably Zagreus) , which is also on permanent discount. Stabbatical posted:I always really liked the Cybermen (in concept, if not execution) way more than the Daleks. I've not listened to any audios but I'm thinking of getting into them. That scene sounds cool as poo poo too. Which are some good Cyberman audios? Spare Parts is a definite fan favorite (for good reason), and The Harvest and The Silver Turk are also excellent. Last of the Cybermen looks promising too but I haven't gotten to that one yet. Tim Burns Effect fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Feb 4, 2016 |
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Tim Burns Effect posted:"Season 2" is Invaders From Mars up through Neverland (and arguably Zagreus) , which is also on permanent discount. That… is really confusing. Thank you for clarifying that. Season Two it is, then. Personally, I enjoyed Last of the Cybermen for everything other than the Cybermen. They're not handled badly, but they're more of a backdrop for all the amazing character interactions.
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# ? Feb 4, 2016 23:32 |
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And More posted:Personally, I enjoyed Last of the Cybermen for everything other than the Cybermen. They're not handled badly, but they're more of a backdrop for all the amazing character interactions. so like nearly every other cyberman story then?
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# ? Feb 4, 2016 23:47 |
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Tim Burns Effect posted:so like nearly every other cyberman story then? Basically. Except really, really good.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 00:07 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:
We have like the exact opposite opinion, somehow! Something that never happens in this thread. I think Dalek War just drones on and on - it's the sort of thing that could have been a single, two hour story and been an enjoyable trek, but they just keep adding twists and turns until the characters themselves seem bored of it. The Stageplays, on the other hand, are definitely goofy and dated, but they're such a fun look into the weird history of Doctor Who. They're not great stories on their own (and hoo boy, you're definitely right about the music!). They do an okay job of adapting them to audio, but you still often feel as though they're waiting for applause at the cool special effects. Still, if you read some of the summaries as to how they came to be, they're sort of like a long special features for a Pertwee era DVD. I particularly like the story Terrence Dicks tells about how he had to leave opening night early because his eight year old son was too afraid of the Daleks to stay.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 01:00 |
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Spare Parts is fantastic, but I always have great trouble making out what it is the Cyber Committee is saying.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 01:37 |
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I like Spare Parts but I never thought it was quite as amazing as others made it out. Probably my favorite Cybermen audio is one I don't want to name, because their arrival is one of the best cliffhangers Big Finish has done. Once they show up, their portrayal and the 8th Doctor's reaction to them is basically exactly what I've always felt they should be, and it's executed to near perfection. Cyberman: We muzzzzzzt survive. Doctor: Yes yes, you must survive..... but why? Cyberman (confused): ........thizzz quezzztion is irrelevant..... The story is Human Resources but if you can go into the story unspoiled it will be so, so much better.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 02:14 |
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Jerusalem posted:
That is a really good exchange. I'm in the middle of the Eighth Doctor's fourth season and really enjoying it. They actually do a pretty good job of reviving the Meddling Monk as a villain. I'm still not quite sure how I feel about Tamsin, but it usually does take me a few stories to warm up to a new companion.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 02:31 |
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And More posted:In Cyberman, I loved the reveal of the bug in Karen's reprogramming. Liam's partial conversion was kind of goofy, honestly. As far as moments between humanity and conversion go, Spare Parts handled it probably the best. Just a weeping Cyberman trying to remember who she is. I said it around the time someone in the thread finished Cyberman 2, but Big Finish finally broke my resolve and made me care about the Orion War thing with the Keepsake appendix attached to the disappointing Kingdom of Silver. With that out of the way, I ended up enjoying Cyberman 2 a lot. And More posted:That is really confusing. Thank you for clarifying that. Season Two it is, then.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 04:17 |
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After The War posted:I said it around the time someone in the thread finished Cyberman 2, but Big Finish finally broke my resolve and made me care about the Orion War thing with the Keepsake appendix attached to the disappointing Kingdom of Silver. With that out of the way, I ended up enjoying Cyberman 2 a lot. Cyberman series 2 is good because they discard the fairly typical "is an android... a human?? Can it have... emotions?" plot and actually do something interesting with the differences between the humans, androids and Cybermen. I still think there's a little too much of the paranoia thing in parts 2 and 3 (the one with the insane space captain in particular was a five minute plot stretched into an hour), but the last part of it is actually quite good.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 04:24 |
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Bicyclops posted:That is a really good exchange. I liked Tamsin because she used her acting skills to good use.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 04:32 |
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Astroman posted:I liked Tamsin because she used her acting skills to good use. That I definitely like! They don't beat you over the head with it, but it's present, and it's a part of her personality and how she interacts with the generalized TARDIS situation of being a fish out of water. I think I'd like her a lot better if she hadn't followed Lucie Miller, because there's a lot that's sort of Lucie 2.0 about her. It's not just that she calls the Doctor on his nonsense, complains constantly about being in the wrong place, and has a lot of fun, it's that she does those things, mostly, in the same way. It's also a minor pet peeve of mine that every companion of the Eighth Doctor leaves him by getting into a weird ideological fight with him. It was oddly out of character with his previous two companions, and while it at least works for Tamsin, it's getting toward "memory loss" levels of ubiquitous for him. All minor complaints, though. All in all, the EDAs have been a lot of fun, and the manic goofiness that comes with most of them helps to break up the pace of the Main Range. Bicyclops fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Feb 5, 2016 |
# ? Feb 5, 2016 04:51 |
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Huh. So the Netflix thing was commented on but this was not. Apparently the BBC has taken both modern and Classic Doctor Who not just from Netflix, but also Hulu. That's kind of lovely of them. Like, Modern Who I can understand. Why would they do that with Classic Who? That's the only reliable way to actually watch it legally. Hopefully they'll get something going on their end that won't be needlessly complicated.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 09:21 |
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Modern Who is still on Netflix , for what it's worth.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 09:27 |
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Looks like new Who is still up in 95 countries (the US not being one of them), but classic Who's been taken down everywhere.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 10:32 |
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pinacotheca posted:Looks like new Who is still up in 95 countries (the US not being one of them), but classic Who's been taken down everywhere. I'm hoping this is something of a good sign. Like, there has to be a reason to specifically be withdrawing Classic Who from global streaming services, given it's probably the most lucrative 'classic' show the BBC have, with the possible exception of Monty Python. I could see it being a really good move to launch a specific 'classic BBC' worldwide streaming service. There's a lot of good older shows they could leverage there, I know I'd pay for it. poo poo, I'd pay Netflix subscription cash for Classic Who alone, and I'm sure that's not the only thing I'd watch. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Feb 5, 2016 |
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Cleretic posted:I could see it being a really good move to launch a specific 'classic BBC' worldwide streaming service. There's a lot of good older shows they could leverage there, I know I'd pay for it. poo poo, I'd pay Netflix subscription cash for Classic Who alone, and I'm sure that's not the only thing I'd watch.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 13:32 |
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Ofaloaf posted:I bet they're just going to put it on the BBC iPlayer and laugh at everyone outside Britain. Hah noooope
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 14:10 |
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It's not the best of timing, launching a streaming service (if that is the plan), when one of the shows with international appeal is yet again on a season long hiatus. It also sort of builds appeal. I never would have gotten into Doctor Who if not for Netflix, and now I've bought three individual seasons on Amazon to keep up with it. If they do launch an affordable stream that has access to classic stuff, I'd go for it in a heartbeat, though.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 14:54 |
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Well, the Beeb did recently set up an online store for some of it's shows (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/features/buy-and-keep, https://store.bbc.com/) including Doctor Who which has some, if not all, of the stories previously available on DVD, except the TV Movie, so it's not out of the question that they may want to reduce streaming access if Worldwide thinks it can get more money that way. Also, thanks for the audio recommendations, I'll check that stuff out.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 15:43 |
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Yeah the BBC is launching its own streaming platform very soon. There's adverts on the Tube for it. CBS has taken all the Star Trek series off Netflix (aside from in the US, although I'd wager that won't be there too much longer) to put on its own steaming service, along with the new series coming in 2017. The downside of all this is that with everyone wanting their slice of the streaming pie, the consumer isn't going to be willing to pony up for each individual service, but would rather have it all in one place, which is what made Netflix so popular. They're just going to bring about more piracy and lose money because they'd rather put their content in their own little forts rather than share it around and let everyone access it.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 15:57 |
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Jerusalem posted:I agree, especially since Big Finish do a really loving good job at producing that voice effect in a way that actually sounds creepy. Given that Nicholas Briggs does the Cybermen voices on television just like he does the Daleks, I'm surprised that they haven't at least given it a go.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 16:00 |
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Picklepuss posted:The latest TV Cyberman voice is terrible. It sounds like the batteries in a Dalek toy are running low. Nick Briggs told a story about when it came to Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel, he and RTD had decided on the voice to use. So when they were filming (since Briggs does the voices live), director Graeme Harper came up to him and told him no, he wants the Cybermen to sound more like Darth Vader. Briggs began to fret, because he didn't want to upset the director, but that's not what he and RTD had agreed on. He conveyed this to David Tennant, who said "Call Russell". Briggs didn't want to do this, didn't want to cause waves, but David stressed "Call Russell". So Briggs did, explained the situation, and minutes after he got off the phone, Harper came up to him and told him they were going to do the voices they way Briggs wanted to. The funnier story is on the eve of filming "Rise/Age", Briggs had been a party with Tennant, and at the end, Tennant bade him farewell with "See you in Cardiff!" and Briggs said he didn't think that was happening. Tennant was shocked, asked why, and got the reply that he assumed he wasn't doing the Cybermen voices. Tennant then (and I like to imagine after saying "What?" several times) called RTD, who immediately called Briggs, asking why he wasn't going to do the Cybermen voices. Briggs said his agent had never been contacted about it. RTD told him to hold on a minute, and Briggs said five minutes later his agent called saying he had been offered to the Cybermen voices for series 2. I think it's funny that everyone involved with the production just assume that, of course, Nick Briggs is voicing the Cybermen, so no one actually bothered to book him for it.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 16:13 |
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Those're some great stories, where did he tell them? Also, the '06 design and voices were really good. I'm still on the fence about the current one. The head is good, but the detailing on the body is bit busy. Not sure if the current voice fits or is too aggressive, I prefer the flatter takes on it.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 16:34 |
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I am not a fan of Modern (Modern) Cybermen design because they just look like Ironman clones to me. They also can act like Iron Man clones so you know. Mind you their various super powers outside of flight only showed up in Nightmare in Silver and was nowhere to be seen in season 8. I'm actually kind of dissapointed that Clara never ran into the Cybermen again. Would have been a neat kick in the teeth for her.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 16:37 |
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The_Doctor posted:Yeah the BBC is launching its own streaming platform very soon. There's adverts on the Tube for it. They all laughed when I was stockpiling DVDs! They said I was mad! WELL, WHO'S MAD NOW?!!
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 18:53 |
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Rights issues can't take away physical media. That's why I bought Gamera vs. MST3K while I could.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 00:24 |
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plus the doctor who dvds generally have some pretty good special features which you don't get elsewhere Weren't netflix using unrestored versions for some reason? I can remember going to watch the Aztecs on it a wee while back and they certainly were using a version that doesn't look anywhere near as nice as the DVD versions
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 02:14 |
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This is a shame, I just managed to finish out season 7 before Modern Who was removed from Netflix and Hulu. I'm glad I managed to see The Day of the Doctor before that happened, but I was really looking forward to seeing Peter Capaldi's Doctor.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 02:28 |
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I would love streaming services to have dvd extras.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 02:29 |
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IceAgeComing posted:plus the doctor who dvds generally have some pretty good special features which you don't get elsewhere The commentaries alone make the Classic Who DVDs worth every penny and its disappointing that the New Who DVDs/Blu-rays have so few in comparison (although season 5 has video commentaries which are worth it because Beth Willis )
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 02:37 |
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Yeah, I'm a big fan of the DVD releases, they're one of the few I buy where I actually bother to make use of the special features/commentary. The commentaries in particular are usually a lot of fun.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 02:42 |
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Stabbatical posted:Those're some great stories, where did he tell them? Doctor Who Magazine
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 02:55 |
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Davros1 posted:Nick Briggs told a story about when it came to Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel, he and RTD had decided on the voice to use. So when they were filming (since Briggs does the voices live), director Graeme Harper came up to him and told him no, he wants the Cybermen to sound more like Darth Vader. Briggs began to fret, because he didn't want to upset the director, but that's not what he and RTD had agreed on. He conveyed this to David Tennant, who said "Call Russell". Briggs didn't want to do this, didn't want to cause waves, but David stressed "Call Russell". So Briggs did, explained the situation, and minutes after he got off the phone, Harper came up to him and told him they were going to do the voices they way Briggs wanted to. This is why having superfans showrunning and starring in the show is loving awesome. You can drat well bet this sort of issue would be handled similarly on Capaldi/Moffat's watch.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 06:19 |
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IceAgeComing posted:Weren't netflix using unrestored versions for some reason? I can remember going to watch the Aztecs on it a wee while back and they certainly were using a version that doesn't look anywhere near as nice as the DVD versions At one point some years ago Netflix had the original Transformers cartoon up and upon watching it I discovered they were using the same version that had been available on P2P services for years right down to captured VHS distortions.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 08:28 |
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Short Synopsis: What if Hansel & Gretel were biologically engineered super-soldiers? Long Synopsis: In 19th Century Germany, the 8th Doctor and Lucie stumble upon the aftermath of a savage attack by the so-called "Beast of Orlok". Disguising themselves as officials to avoid being arrested for the crime, they uncover old secrets, an invincible foe and, most fearsome of all, a trumped up bureaucrat. What's Good:
What's Not:
Final Thoughts: The Beast of Orlok is a sci-fi story getting in the way of a fun Gothic-Horror Detective period piece. Trying to have its Black Forest Gateau and eat it too, it mixes life-changing revelations with casual jokes; brutal evisceration with a shrug; then rushes through an ending while discarding supporting characters with barely a backward look. Fun to listen to for the interactions between the Doctor and Lucie, or the smooth way the Doctor tears an pompous official down a peg or two, the biggest hamper to the story is a peculiar piece of continuity where it feels like entire scenes have been completely skipped over - whether in the editing process or the actual script itself who knows. It doesn't flow smoothly, in any case, and felt to me like I was missing out on something even if intellectually it was straightforward enough to piece together what was intended to have taken place. One for completionists perhaps, apart from seeing the Doctor and Lucie fall back into casual, comfortable familiarity with each other this story doesn't have much else to offer, beyond the thought of what might have been if they'd taken a slightly different tack.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 09:07 |
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Burkion posted:I am not a fan of Modern (Modern) Cybermen design because they just look like Ironman clones to me. They also can act like Iron Man clones so you know. Same. Though of the Iron-man Cybermen I prefer their current slightly more rounded look, than the angular look they had in the early reboot seasons. I think they could do a lot more with the Cybermen if they dropped the whole Iron-man thing, and their big clomping boots. Make them quieter, make them more static - really emphasize the differences between them and the Daleks. Daleks are loud, noisy, twitchy, hate-fuelled squids (and we love them for it); the Cybermen should be cold, and still and quiet. Also not having terrible stories would probably help.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 09:23 |
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Pesky Splinter posted:Same. Though of the Iron-man Cybermen I prefer their current slightly more rounded look, than the angular look they had in the early reboot seasons. I preferred the angular look. I like how the face design was a stylized skull. Plus the suits made them seem bigger than than they actually were.
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 09:28 |
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You guys are just reminding me that I need to watch the Tenth Planet DVD BSam gave me so I can start on how the clOth CYYYbermen were suupEEErior.
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