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Pillow Hat
Sep 11, 2001

What has been seen cannot be unseen.

Chromatic posted:

Sorry for thinking one of your favorite television men is mediocre.

I can accept your apology this once, but in the future consider voicing your criticism to a trusted friend first who might tell you if you sound like a fat toddler.

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dungeon cousin
Nov 26, 2012

woop woop
loop loop
I'm not sure if some viewers noticed as they would probably not pay too much attention to the repeated part of the joke since they know where it's going, but I did like how the repeat part had a different ending so it payed off in a way.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009
Anyone who doesn't like Ronny Chieng has very poor taste.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Ronny is great.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


I laughed out loud when he slanted his eyes with his fingers while doing the Chinese stereotype voice.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009
Holy poo poo these creepy Anastasia Date commercials are still on.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


I guess I am officially old because I don't understand YouTube superstars or why they are popular.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

raditts posted:

I guess I am officially old because I don't understand YouTube superstars or why they are popular.

For the same reason basically anyone else in entertainment is, they balance being funny/entertaining with aggressive branding. No clue who this lady was but she seems neat.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Tatum Girlparts posted:

For the same reason basically anyone else in entertainment is, they balance being funny/entertaining with aggressive branding. No clue who this lady was but she seems neat.

I see her ads every now and then, and she does seem pretty funny, but I haven't seen her show.

Paul F. Tompkins is on Nightly Show! I will actually watch it.

e: Republicans going "Boohoohoo political correctness" is so gross. They don't realize how much they benefit from liberals holding back from calling them the sister-loving hicks they are, thanks to ~POLITICAL CORRECTNESS~

e2: Oh God Ricky's on the panel. Ricky is the worst thing on late night TV right now.

Majorian fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Feb 5, 2016

Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe
This show is bad now guys. And I like Trevor. Its just...well....bad. The writing sucks and the live audiences are even worse.

Colbert on the Late Show has better political segments.

Caedus
Sep 11, 2007

It's good to have a sense of scale.



STAC Goat posted:

I mean, Jon Stewart is middle aged, hardened, cynical, and more than a little tired and angry about the whole thing.

Trevor Noah is young, excited, experiencing new highs in his career, and really seeing all the absurdity of the US system for the first time as a novelty.

Expecting them to have similar perspectives just seems silly.

People who grew cynical and snarky with Stewart just aren't going to get that from Noah. Not any time soon, at least. Noah can't fake it. That would be terrible and condescending. We're still getting the same thing we always got from the Daily Show, a humorous take on the poo poo happening in politics. But we're seeing it from a different perspective. If that perspective isn't interesting or worthwhile to you, fair enough, but a lot of it just feels like basic "change" issues.

Personally, I enjoy Noah's wide eyed take and if I want snark and anger I can go other places for that. I miss Jon Stewart but life goes on.

I really like this way of putting it. That's exactly why I'm enjoying Trevor's go so far - Jon was really great but I'm not an American so I find another foreigner getting to put his take on the whole thing refreshing. I've been laughing a whole lot more in general, and while I know some people *hate* him giggling at his own jokes, I appreciate him being *happy* enough to laugh at crazy poo poo the same way I can.

Plus we get to watch him grow cynical, as time and tragedy take it's toll. We'll be able to go back and say, "see, remember when Trevor used to be fun, and we thought he was awful?". 90% of the bits have landed for me so far in Trevor's run, and I recall stretches of Jon's tenure being uncomfortable to sit through.

Roy's porno bit tho, I was dying. That was pretty edgy for cable, I'm impressed they just got away with some censoring on that last part.

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization


I don't think Trevor isn't as cynical as Jon or anything like that...he grew up in South Africa! I doubt that anything that happens here is even remotely as bad as things he's seen back home. I think he just can't take our politics seriously because of how dumb it must look to an outsider. How do you get enraged about the relatively good situation in America when your home country can barely keep its power on? I enjoy his perspective because it's fresh and different. He's pretty good at hitting jokes even though his interview skills need work, but I think he will only improve with time. Certainly better than when Jon started (maybe it's me but I feel like sometimes he was carried by his insanely strong correspondents). And that's part of the fun..we get to watch him grow!

3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Feb 5, 2016

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

There was a bit they did an episode or two ago that covered the Iowa caucus that nearly made me quit the show.

The whole "the media isn't covering politics correctly, because they're reporting that Marco Rubio won when he came in third!" thing.

You loving idiots, primaries are all about perceptions and demographics.

It was just so goddamn tone deaf, pretending to be this deep dive on "The Media" framing an issue wrong, when instead it came off like the writers don't understand how to read basic goddamn demographics.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

raditts posted:

I guess I am officially old because I don't understand YouTube superstars or why they are popular.

They're loud and cater to either minimal attention spans or absolute sperglords and, most importantly, crank out content at a really impressive pace.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


I'm usually ready to defend Youtube celebs and the platform, but Lilly Signh is unbearable.

Charles Martel
Mar 7, 2007

"The Hero of the Age..."

The hero of all ages

Caedus posted:

Roy's porno bit tho, I was dying. That was pretty edgy for cable, I'm impressed they just got away with some censoring on that last part.

Didn't watch last night's show yet, but this was the top segment for me this week. Guy's stolen the show since he got there.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

old dog child posted:

I don't think Trevor isn't as cynical as Jon or anything like that...he grew up in South Africa! I doubt that anything that happens here is even remotely as bad as things he's seen back home. I think he just can't take our politics seriously because of how dumb it must look to an outsider. How do you get enraged about the relatively good situation in America when your home country can barely keep its power on? I enjoy his perspective because it's fresh and different. He's pretty good at hitting jokes even though his interview skills need work, but I think he will only improve with time. Certainly better than when Jon started (maybe it's me but I feel like sometimes he was carried by his insanely strong correspondents). And that's part of the fun..we get to watch him grow!

I think its reasonable to say Trevor may possess cynicism but not towards the stuff he's talking about. For him its all new and weird and (as you said) comparatively better. It takes time to get sick of this poo poo the way Stewart was, and Noah may never get there because of his different experience and basis for comparison. He's laughing and Jon was often crying.

And yeah, I appreciate that perspective. Its like when my conservative relatives claim Christians are being persecuted in America because of gay marriage in the same breath that they say Christians are being murdered by ISIS. Get some drat perspective. Those two things aren't equal.

Noah provides some of that perspective for me.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Narcissus1916 posted:

There was a bit they did an episode or two ago that covered the Iowa caucus that nearly made me quit the show.

The whole "the media isn't covering politics correctly, because they're reporting that Marco Rubio won when he came in third!" thing.

You loving idiots, primaries are all about perceptions and demographics.

It was just so goddamn tone deaf, pretending to be this deep dive on "The Media" framing an issue wrong, when instead it came off like the writers don't understand how to read basic goddamn demographics.
That wasn't a cutting criticism of the media or anything... that was just marveling at how absurd the whole thing is when you take a step back.

The joke was that everything Jordan Klepper saying was true, no matter how silly it sounded. His fast talking bit at the end was great, because it's pretty accurate to the conventional wisdom, but sounded absurd when he said it that way.

If you're really deeply invested in this stuff to the point where it has no novelty, I can see how it would come off as, "Did you ever notice the sky is blue? Haha, how crazy is that!" but personally, even though I've been following all these twists pretty closely the whole time, the bit still seemed hilarious. I guess that's probably because I never saw it as an "attack" on anything.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


Narcissus1916 posted:

There was a bit they did an episode or two ago that covered the Iowa caucus that nearly made me quit the show.

The whole "the media isn't covering politics correctly, because they're reporting that Marco Rubio won when he came in third!" thing.

You loving idiots, primaries are all about perceptions and demographics.

It was just so goddamn tone deaf, pretending to be this deep dive on "The Media" framing an issue wrong, when instead it came off like the writers don't understand how to read basic goddamn demographics.

I'm not sure how you missed the point of that segment so hard, but slow clappin' it out for your effort.

Some of you guys are trying to hate this show so hard, I can't figure out why you still bother watching.

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
The idea that campaigns are about media expectation management has had tangible harmful consequences. It's a product of the horse race.

Palin "exceeded" her expectations in the veep debate back in '08. She effectively won the debate by memorizing a bunch of lines and not answering any questions.

Botnit
Jun 12, 2015

raditts posted:

Some of you guys are trying to hate this show so hard, I can't figure out why you still bother watching.

I think that's somewhat true but I've also been trying to keep an open mind about it and I can't anymore. To me Trevor is the worst thing about the show and since he's the face of it there's not much that can be done about it. I don't find him funny, at all, yet he's constantly laughing at his own jokes, I don't think he's intelligent when it comes to the topics he's bringing up either so he's either an extreme pushover in interviews or he goes full on starfucker mentality and lets them say whatever they want while he adores them.

I tried to give him a chance, I went back to find his pre-TDS stuff thinking maybe that would help and it just made it worse. He's a horrible frat bro-esque comedian. I simply cannot understand how he was ever offered the show. It's ridiculous.

Luckily most of the correspondents are killing it around him though so the boat is kinda sorta staying afloat. I really wish Roy Wood Jr was hosting.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Roy Wood Jr is keeping me watching. Trevor is fine, I guess. There's just far, far more clunkers than there ever was before.

They often go for "bemused outsider" and end up at "ignorant newbie" too often.

I'm mainly just sad that we have the richest political election for humor and there's no one knocking it out of the park.

Colbert did a Hunger Games riff on Iowa that had more trenchant commentary about the hunger games than anything political. Oliver shows little interest in following elections, international or otherwise. Noah is all over the map.

Really, Seth Meyer has consistently done a better job deploying barbed commentary than anyone else.

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?

Narcissus1916 posted:

Really, Seth Meyer has consistently done a better job deploying barbed commentary than anyone else.

I've seen this mentioned a couple of times so I tuned in to an episode last week and instead of barbed commentary it was really just the typical jokes about trump's hair. Then it was followed by a really dumb segment called Venn Diagrams. I turned it off at that point. Does it get better after the news segment or did I just pick an off-night?

Steve Vader
Apr 29, 2005

Everyone's Playing!

I hate the Venn Diagrams bit, much like I hate Pros and Cons on Fallon. I know it's a Hal Gurnee Network Time Killer, but it's just basically taking lame monologue jokes and presenting them in a slightly different format.

But you do a show every night, you have to have some regular bits to keep you going on the days you don't have the gumption to make a great show. Sucks for the people who tune in that night, but then again, late-night viewer brains aren't always firing on all cylinders either, what with sleep and all.

Has Oliver started up again? I usually see his poo poo go viral immediately, but I haven't yet.

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
Oliver's new season hasn't started yet.

I know I'm being quite unfair, but I have a kneejerk dislike for Seth Meyers, not unlike what I have for many SNL alum of his generation, that stops me from giving his show a shot. I consider him and Fallon's main qualifications for being NBC's late night hosts as "white, male, knew Lorne Michaels".

I think the angle that's missing from all the shows is how Donald and Ted benefit from an angry base of nationalistic supporters who really have been screwed over by economic policies of the past three decades yet still want to drink the kool-aid on how great America was at some arbitrary, imagined time. And it's easy for them to scapegoat the superficial gains made by women, blacks, gays, and immigrants when they too have been hosed over worse and for much longer. I don't think there's an easy way to make biting comedy or satire from it.

I wish there was an amusing, funny viral video explaining how the Democratic party since the rise of Reaganomics was remarkably different from the New Deal era; but it's a complicated subject.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTB-iuez-Mg

That, to me, is a fairly solid indictment of Trump. His opening monologues are at least 60% or so political, and there's a 50/50 chance that the next segment also covers politics.

Its still light and fluffy, but he's done a much better job of covering the election than anyone else.

rjryan3
Oct 10, 2012

Narcissus1916 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTB-iuez-Mg

That, to me, is a fairly solid indictment of Trump. His opening monologues are at least 60% or so political, and there's a 50/50 chance that the next segment also covers politics.

Its still light and fluffy, but he's done a much better job of covering the election than anyone else.

Then why don't you just go to the Late Night Talk Show Locker Room Discussion then? I'm getting really sick of the Trevor Noah haters on this board misconstruing his jokes.

Steve Vader
Apr 29, 2005

Everyone's Playing!

This guy has made a catchphrase out of insisting one of the Republican frontrunners wants to gently caress his own daughter. He's not "light and fluffy." His being in a good mood may make things feel that way, but it's not.

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization


I'm hoping Samantha Bee's new show will have some biting political humor because she was pretty drat good on The Daily Show but I have no idea what her show is actually going to be like

e: oops probably the wrong thread

Steve Vader
Apr 29, 2005

Everyone's Playing!

They showed a clip of her show on Colbert last night. Looks like it's going to be pretty Daily Show-esque - new Daily Show, as in her standing up and tossing jokes out at news items. And with field pieces and such.

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
If her show seems better than Larry's I will have little problem switching to 10:30 to 11:30.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

I just thought that the daily show is struggling right now, and is clearly trying to figure itself out. I'm still watching, because there are bits and moments that really sing - and in a way that Stewart never could.The Cam Newton vs Manning piece was super strong, for instance.

I just think the show falls down when it tries to cover the horse race of 2016, and hasn't quite cracked that egg yet.

Space Pussy
Feb 19, 2011

Chinatown posted:


Colbert on the Late Show has better political segments.

Oh yeah, for 6 minutes per week. The rest of his show is trash though.

Only thing that bugs me about Trevor is that fake laugh. Otherwise he's been pretty solid considering the shoes he's filling.

Space Pussy fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Feb 6, 2016

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


What's fake about it? He seems like he's genuinely enjoying himself to me.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

old dog child posted:

I'm hoping Samantha Bee's new show will have some biting political humor because she was pretty drat good on The Daily Show but I have no idea what her show is actually going to be like

e: oops probably the wrong thread

Probably, but we all love Samantha Bee here :D

I've been really enjoying the Daily Show lately, y'all are weird. Ronnie's bit on the last episode had me in tears, and he didn't mention his father once!

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

raditts posted:

What's fake about it? He seems like he's genuinely enjoying himself to me.

I agree. He looks like he's having a loving blast.

Steve Vader
Apr 29, 2005

Everyone's Playing!

I'm sure some of those laughs are nervous laughs, too.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

raditts posted:

What's fake about it? He seems like he's genuinely enjoying himself to me.

The TDS thread is now a thread full of typical hyperbolic tviv hatewatching bullshit. Sad, but not unexpected.

rjryan3
Oct 10, 2012

IRQ posted:

The TDS thread is now a thread full of typical hyperbolic tviv hatewatching bullshit. Sad, but not unexpected.

Look on the bright side, at least it's not the Comic Book Movie Megathread, where having a more-than-four-hour hate-boner for the Marvel Cinematic Universe seems to be a requirement to post there.

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GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?
I don't think it's quite that. I think it's an election year and people got used to the specific way the old guard would cover the elections with a bit more cynicism and teeth. The loss of both Colbert and Stewart has really changed the way CC is covering this election and it's a really jarring change I'd expect people to comment about.

Also Trevor attacks fox news and the media in general less than Jon did so it feels like a very different show.

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