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Kai Tave posted:My wang pal Josh played a Youngster/Howlrunner swarm using Expose with a doomshuttle on the flank and...it wasn't terrible exactly, Expose plus Howlrunner means your TIEs are rolling 3 red with Predator essentially, but it's also a fragile house of cards and if one key component goes down then welp. Nah, gently caress that. Howlrunner gets swarm tactics to fix the wampa/scourge order issue, and OLeader gets juke+comm relay so he can lock, focus, and then start ruining people w/marksmanship+howlrunner. It's a crushing hammer as long as you can fly a pack of 5 and keep them in range 1.
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Gerdalti posted:What do you guys think of this as an aggressive Solo/Regen Poe combination? Luke crew is not worth the extra two points over straight up Gunner. If you can sneak 2 points elsewhere (PTL>VI would be my suggestion) I'd use the spare to put Engine Upgrade on the Falcon.
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So I was doing some thinking about what a single B-Wing could do... Ten Numb (31) Veteran Instincts (1) Electronic Baffle (1) Ion Torpedoes (5) Extra Munitions (2) Guidance Chips (0) Red Squadron Veteran (26) Push the Limit (3) R2 Astromech (1) Integrated Astromech (0) Red Squadron Veteran (26) Push the Limit (3) R2 Astromech (1) Integrated Astromech (0) Total: 100
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Corbeau posted:So I was doing some thinking about what a single B-Wing could do... Be way too expensive and explode? 
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e: Ignore this I should have refreshed before posting. Just got back from my first store champs and I'm exhausted. 10th out of 32, not bad but a bit disappointing. 1 win away from making the top 4. KongGeorgeVII fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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guts and bolts posted:Having had experience flying against Soontir with PTL Poe and VI Vader at all, I've gotten in lots of reps flying against aces who move after me and shoot before me, too. I don't want to trivialize the problem here - higher-than-9 PS aces are problematic, and that's why I asked about it like three pages ago when I posted the WOP list I'm running - but while I think it's an issue, I don't think it's a "clear this ship from the meta, pack it up and go home" problem. The problem is that Whisper builds tend to clock in at 40+ points, for a ship with 2 green and 4 hitpoints. If Whisper is arc dodged even once by a higher PS ace, meaning that she can't fire, meaning she spends next turn uncloaked, you're basically done - You're going to lose half your list in the next turn. By no means is Whisper worthless these days, the prevalence of PS 10 aces in the current meta has knocked her from being one of the most prevalent ships in the meta to being completely situational.
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Ion torps on Ten is a bit of a waste of his ability; sure if you roll a crit you're guaranteed to Ion then but then what? If you're going to use Ion torps I would take Keyan. He'll have a better chance of hitting with his ability and it is better than Ten's when Ten doesn't have a way to guarantee crits (Mangler cannon).
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Feb 6, 2016 14:50
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KongGeorgeVII posted:e: Ignore this I should have refreshed before posting. You don't have PMs, but can you give me an idea on the price or supplier for those beautiful templates you made? Have dollarydoos, need templates.
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Corbeau posted:So I was doing some thinking about what a single B-Wing could do... Ion Torpedos are Range 2-3 so your Electronic Baffle wont be needed to protect you from its Range 1 ion splash. Also Ten Numb screams for a Mangler Cannon. Admiral Joeslop posted:Ion torps on Ten is a bit of a waste of his ability; sure if you roll a crit you're guaranteed to Ion then but then what? If you're going to use Ion torps I would take Keyan. He'll have a better chance of hitting with his ability and it is better than Ten's when Ten doesn't have a way to guarantee crits (Mangler cannon). Ion Torps dont cancel hits/crits like other Ion weapons do so he would crit and ion +any un-canceled hits (and ion everything within range 1 of the target). I agree that Ten is prolly not the place for them though, maybe Nera Dantels?
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Tekopo posted:Sure thing. Anyone else going to the UK open? I'd be mighty tempted even as a first tourny as its not far and rugby season means I can't make any of the tournaments in Derby. Unfortunately its the weekend of my first wedding anniversary so I'll be making other plans.
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Tequila Ranger posted:Ion Torpedos are Range 2-3 so your Electronic Baffle wont be needed to protect you from its Range 1 ion splash. Also Ten Numb screams for a Mangler Cannon. I always forget which does what between Torpedoes and Missiles 
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I just got suckered into buying a Core Set, a Starviper, and a K-Wing by a friend. I'm screwed, aren't I?
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nyxnyxnyx posted:I just got suckered into buying a Core Set, a Starviper, and a K-Wing by a friend. I'm screwed, aren't I? Yes, because both the Starviper and K Wing are ugly and bad
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Tourney trip report: 6/21. Match 1: Corran plus a basic B wing and a basic A wing. Corran didn't use his double tap in the first round (probably what I would have done in the situation, because a second shot was likely the following turn, but apparently not what my opponent was going for), Whisper and Soontir blew him up before he could shoot the following turn, and that's all she wrote. 100-0. Match 2: our local shark with his loving evil PS11 Vader/PS10 Chiraneau with Palpatine list. gently caress that poo poo. 0-100. Almost managed to get the deci down to half hit points, but really struggled with it otherwise. Messed up my tactics, despite knowing what I intended to do, and spread my fields of fire rather than concentrating them. Also failed to get a lock with OL in the second round. Whisper never shot. gently caress. Match 3: loving knife fight against two B wings with Gunner and a generic Mangler Outrider. Made some errors, lost Whisper and OL, and ended up 70-65 for a 5-point modified win, tight as poo poo, went down to the wire with 1HP Direc-Hitted Soontir. Match 4: Jake/Keyan/Red Ace. 100-0, just took it to bits. Took a total of 2 hits in the entire game, although one was a Direct Hit on Soontir >.<. I really like my list, but the 11/10 list is just loving poison to it. I think the only way round it is to run my own PS11, but that's basically just Vader, and I'm not buying a goddamn Raider AND an Advanced to do that.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Yes, because both the Starviper and K Wing are ugly and bad honestly the K Wing ends up looking a lot better once you get rid of the red paint scheme. you replace it with a dark blue and suddenly it looks kind of reasonable.
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thespaceinvader posted:I really like my list, but the 11/10 list is just loving poison to it. I think the only way round it is to run my own PS11, but that's basically just Vader, and I'm not buying a goddamn Raider AND an Advanced to do that.   Oh, and thanks to whomever recommended SW: Rebels. It's fun.
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Ze Pollack posted:honestly the K Wing ends up looking a lot better once you get rid of the red paint scheme. you replace it with a dark blue and suddenly it looks kind of reasonable. Gotta internalize those ordnance and get rid of the ball chin, too.
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From the poetic punishment department, we're in the final Swiss round and the two thug life players are paired up in a Hades of TLTs. 20 minutes of cicling before the first attack.
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Feb 6, 2016 21:27
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TLT mirror matches are the punishment TLT players get for flying TLT swarms.
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TLTs suck. The only list that beat the VaderMator list I mentioned earlier was Miranda/Tactician, VI Poe, and Stresshog, it's a bitch of a thing. I really don't like TLTs.
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Miranda with tactician is a really dangerous ship and slots in nicely next to Fat Han.
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Panzeh posted:Miranda with tactician is a really dangerous ship and slots in nicely next to Fat Han. Yuk. Eww. Do not want. E: this is filth. Miranda Doni (29) Twin Laser Turret (6) Tactician (2) Seismic Charges (2) Han Solo (46) Predator (3) Tactician (2) Gunner (5) Engine Upgrade (4) Millennium Falcon (1) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Yuck, ewww, meta ships! Fat Han is totally morally superior because,
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The Gate posted:Yuck, ewww, meta ships! Fat Han is totally morally superior because, Just because I don't like it, doesn't stop me trying out the list to see how it would look. I wouldn't play it.
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Top 4 elimination rounds start in 20. Brobots Thug life Vader zeta ace and whisper Roark Garnett with TLT and 3 blue squadron t70s with r5 and IA
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Otisburg posted:Top 4 elimination rounds start in 20. Zeta....ace? Not Zeta leader? That's interesting. ZL is a pretty drat good ship. ZA is...okay? Really good arc dodging with that barrel roll, but of low enough PS that it's not useful against aces. Wonder if it was a points thing?
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The store champs yesterday had an interesting top 4. Not a single Poe and only 1 regen ship. Dash + Chewie won the whole thing vs a Palp Aces list. 3rd and 4th were a KYBZ list using Miranda, and a Boba, Kihraxz and Y-wing scum list.
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KongGeorgeVII posted:The store champs yesterday had an interesting top 4. Not a single Poe and only 1 regen ship. Top 4 at Team Covenant last week were Chewie + 2 TLT Y-Wings (winner) Poe + Ello + Stresshog (runner-up, lost it all on an unfortunate bump with Poe) Poe + Kyle Katarn + Jake Farrel (got wrecked, hard, in the semi-finals by the poe/ello player above) Soontir + Yorr Doomshuttle + 2x Crack Shot Omega Squadrons. (A near copy of my list!)
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ConfusedUs posted:Zeta....ace? Not Zeta leader? That's interesting. It is Ace I brain farted. Btw thug on thug ended in a mutual destruction tie, the most thug on thug ending there is. Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Otisburg posted:Top 4 elimination rounds start in 20. For someone who hasn't really paid attention since the Decimator came out, what do these things mean?
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thespaceinvader posted:TLTs suck. Seems like one list that can actually beat VaderPalp should be welcome.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:For someone who hasn't really paid attention since the Decimator came out, what do these things mean? Brobots: IG88s in Aggressors, two of them, with Heavy Laser Cannons and... other stuff. They share each other's pilot abilities, and are shockingly agile for big ships. Thug Life: 4x Twin Laser Turret Scum Syndicate Thug y-wings with Unhinged Astromechs. Vader in a TIE Advanced, Zeta Ace is a low PS TIE f/o pilot who acts as a PS12 until damaged, Whisper is the PS7 Phantom pilot. Roark Garnet is a HWK pilot who makes an ally PS12, R5 astromech flips a crit facedown once per round. Seems like R2 would be better on that build, and overall seems like a build that I'm shocked made it to top 4 in a tournament, HWKs pretty much universally suck and die.
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thespaceinvader posted:Brobots: IG88s in Aggressors, two of them, with Heavy Laser Cannons and... other stuff. They share each other's pilot abilities, and are shockingly agile for big ships. Cool, thanks. Wow, TLT is pretty crazy.
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thespaceinvader posted:Brobots: IG88s in Aggressors, two of them, with Heavy Laser Cannons and... other stuff. They share each other's pilot abilities, and are shockingly agile for big ships. Zeta Ace uses the 2 template for its barrel rolls, Epsilon Ace is the PS12.
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I can see Zeta Ace being a cheap late-game threat against swarms, since it'd be super easy to dodge arcs with a barrel roll that big.
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Otisburg posted:Top 4 elimination rounds start in 20. It's me I'm the brobots who forgot how to play and lost like a chump to thugs. Dun care, got my threepio and my fancy ruler and my dumb coin.
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Yeah, TLT is horrible, unless you're flying it in which case it rules. I really think they should have designed 360 firing weapons differently from the start, and given them their current stats but -1 die out of arc. Then you actually have some need to do something other than fly defensively. it's one reason I'm looking forward to Dengar, he's a strong turret whilst still having a need to actually fly properly. What could have been I guess. (Dengar is gonna be great: Dengar (33) Veteran Instincts (1) K4 Security Droid (3) Unhinged Astromech (1) Glitterstim (2) Punishing One (12) Talonbane Cobra (28) Veteran Instincts (1) Cloaking Device (2) Engine Upgrade (4) Binayre Pirate (12) Total: 99 [url=https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v4!s!171:27,-1,-1,122,118,128:29:-1:;135:27,-1,145:-1  ;115:-1,-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron]View in Yet Another Squad Builder[/url]I call it 'gently caress you Vader I have a blocker and two loving PS11s, bitch'. (I might not like Vader very much right now I hope it doesn't show)
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Devlan Mud posted:It's me I'm the brobots who forgot how to play and lost like a chump to thugs. Thugs won versus aces in the last round. 
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Otisburg posted:Thugs won versus aces in the last round. A dark day for fun everywhere
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