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Guavanaut posted:If it ends up going Leave, there will be a brief moment of gloating, followed by an absence of purpose that leads to them becoming an American-libertarian 'not-racist' party wandering in the wilderness and eventually becoming as irrelevant as the BNP. The result will be close so if it's remain they'll do an Snp and try and get another referendum immediately or go on about how England voted to leave
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Guavanaut posted:If it ends up going Leave, there will be a brief moment of gloating, followed by an absence of purpose that leads to them becoming an American-libertarian 'not-racist' party wandering in the wilderness and eventually becoming as irrelevant as the BNP. Or they'll continue to rail at the EU for 'punishing' brave Britain for leaving as we slide into a backwater / wilderness surrounding the Citadel of Finance
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As people have pointed out, a successful Leave vote is basically the worst thing that can happen to them as without something to campaign against they have no wind in their sails. It's probably what others mean when they talk about the right-wing eating itself through in-fighting. Currently a hatred of the European Union is one of the few things they can agree on.
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Being a member of the EU is just one of many things they love to hate on and that the government loves to scapegoat, and those other things won't be going away
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I largely support Remain because, like others have said, the EU constrains the worst excesses of our government, so it's kinda necessary to stop the pigfuckers from going into Full Victorianism Now mode. However it is ultimately a vehicle for capitalism and neoliberalism, not to mention massively racist, so gently caress the EU.
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It's also not had its accounts signed off for nearly 20 years
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:The result will be close so if it's remain they'll do an Snp and try and get another referendum immediately or go on about how England voted to leave I don't remember this happening, the SNP aren't stupid enough to try for another referendum without a significant shift in the polls. But if people liked the reaction of certain Yes supporters who cried about vote rigging, they are going to love the UKIP reaction to losing this referendum. It's going to be amazing. Well assuming they do lose of course.
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Next time it’ll be 100,000: UK and EU cities see day of co-ordinated anti-Islamic ralliesquote:UK PEGIDA has warned there will be "100,000 Britons marching on the streets against Islam" by the end of the year after a day of sometimes violent anti-Islamic migrant protests were staged across Europe. 
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:It's also not had its accounts signed off for nearly 20 years Except that's not actually true quote:For years now, the auditors refuse to sign off the EU accounts! http://ec.europa.eu/budget/explained/myths/myths_en.cfm
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Pantsuit posted:I largely support Remain because, like others have said, the EU constrains the worst excesses of our government, so it's kinda necessary to stop the pigfuckers from going into Full Victorianism Now mode. However it is ultimately a vehicle for capitalism and neoliberalism, not to mention massively racist, so gently caress the EU. I just see the problem ultimately being that the Tories are trying to rules lawyer us into the ground and it means that by ruining our lives in small imperceptible shifts they get away with it. I'd almost rather they rip the plaster off so we can see how lovely they are, like when they tried to do tax credit cuts, rather than the method they currently employ such as changing the rules for disability living allowance which is starving the disabled.
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Feb 7, 2016 18:16
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dispatch_async posted:Next time it’ll be 100,000: UK and EU cities see day of co-ordinated anti-Islamic rallies lol yeah I'm sure. If each person who marched for Pegida this time recruits just 10 people, and each of them recruits ten people... they'll still be almost 70,000 short.
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Tesseraction posted:I just see the problem ultimately being that the Tories are trying to rules lawyer us into the ground and it means that by ruining our lives in small imperceptible shifts they get away with it. I'd almost rather they rip the plaster off so we can see how lovely they are, like when they tried to do tax credit cuts, rather than the method they currently employ such as changing the rules for disability living allowance which is starving the disabled. full eugenics now could turn out to be something of a vote winner
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Jose posted:full eugenics now could turn out to be something of a vote winner 'turn out' I have bad news for you, comrade *points to IDS*
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Dumping steel is bad enough but now the Chinese are blowing up our beloved cultural icons? Something must be done *votes BNP*
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DesperateDan posted:If the vote goes exit, will the tabloids blame new targets for everything they blamed the EU for, or simply transfer it to other existing causes of broken britain? They will go back to their previous target: the perfidious negro.
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Tesseraction posted:They will go back to their previous target: the perfidious negro. Nah, their current second favourite, the NHS. And scroungers. And shirkers.
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DesperateDan posted:If the vote goes exit, will the tabloids blame new targets for everything they blamed the EU for, or simply transfer it to other existing causes of broken britain? I bet it''ll still be the EU's fault somehow, they'll claim that the perfidious Europeans are secretly undermining us for daring to leave or something.
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thespaceinvader posted:Nah, their current second favourite, the NHS. 1) Being overburdened by black patients. 2) Lazy blacks refusing to work. 3) Blacks again. The papers can make black people responsible for anything.
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Tesseraction posted:I just see the problem ultimately being that the Tories are trying to rules lawyer us into the ground and it means that by ruining our lives in small imperceptible shifts they get away with it. I'd almost rather they rip the plaster off so we can see how lovely they are, like when they tried to do tax credit cuts, rather than the method they currently employ such as changing the rules for disability living allowance which is starving the disabled. Yeah but this is a wishful scenario where everyone suddenly realises they've been making a huge mistake, and then change sweeps through society to rectify it. Remember how people realised the Tories were going to cut tax credits, and as a result their support collapsed and the 'benefits scroungers' rhetoric evaporated in the cold light of day? The trouble with accelerationism is when you hit the wall you don't want the occupants of the car still running forward, Flintstones-style, shouting about immigrants
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Pork Pie Hat posted:Except that's not actually true quote:The EU funds silly projects like dog training centres or Elton John concerts!  There might be less dog injuries (both of dogs and by dogs) if there was more money spent on training new owners. Jose posted:full eugenics now could turn out to be something of a vote winner Giving people who don't want kids easier access to long term contraception or sterilization on the NHS would be communism. DesperateDan posted:If the vote goes exit, will the tabloids blame new targets for everything they blamed the EU for, or simply transfer it to other existing causes of broken britain?
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dispatch_async posted:Next time it’ll be 100,000: UK and EU cities see day of co-ordinated anti-Islamic rallies So Pegida were out protesting against Roosh all along?
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EmptyVessel posted:So Pegida were out protesting against Roosh all along? "A man called Daryush Valizadeh with a beard wants to come to the UK and..." "Don't care, ban him."
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Guavanaut posted:They were protesting against him before they even knew what he stood for. "The unconscious knowledge of the far right bigot." Social/political science essay title or satirical sketch? Probably both.
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DesperateDan posted:If the vote goes exit, will the tabloids blame new targets for everything they blamed the EU for, or simply transfer it to other existing causes of broken britain? Given that Labour are to blame for all our domestic ills even though they've been out of power for six years, I expect we can go on blaming the EU for our woes for some time to come.
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big scary monsters posted:Given that Labour are to blame for all our domestic ills even though they've been out of power for six years, I expect we can go on blaming the EU for our woes for some time to come. Except for the parts that the Tories and the Tory press don't blame Labour for, because the problem was Labour not spending enough money (e.g. rail electrification). Then it's all the fault of middle managers and red tape.
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Personally I like to think of MPs as middle managers of democracy, and that we could see some real efficiency savings if we got rid of them and had people do their own democracy.
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baka kaba posted:Yeah but this is a wishful scenario where everyone suddenly realises they've been making a huge mistake, and then change sweeps through society to rectify it. Remember how people realised the Tories were going to cut tax credits, and as a result their support collapsed and the 'benefits scroungers' rhetoric evaporated in the cold light of day? I'm aware of the problems with accelerationism, I just start to feel that saying "no no no the status quo is definitely better than the alternative" when we have disabled people sleeping on the streets in their wheelchairs and fascistic 'anti-radicalisation' tests for teachers and a massive underfunding of the NHS and massive overfunding of PFI contracts there's a point where I start to think "really, this is better than crashing our economy?"
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Unfortunately, as bad as things may seem, there is always a way for it to get worse. Economic collapse would probably mean more of what you dislike. And because capital always protects itself, it would still be there to rebuild the same way afterwards.
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Since someone linked edx courses earlier and there seem to be a couple of mathematicians in the thread and maybe some other people have studied statistics. Can anyone recommend an online course for it since i have no loving clue what I'm looking for. Just introductions to it
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OwlFancier posted:Unfortunately, as bad as things may seem, there is always a way for it to get worse. Economic collapse would probably mean more of what you dislike. And because capital always protects itself, it would still be there to rebuild the same way afterwards. It's a fair point, but I just can't bring myself to care anymore. I spend so much money trying to prop up the gaps the tories have created and yet all I see is it getting worse. There's a point where I would rather torch our poo poo country rather than let it continue drinking petrol.
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Tesseraction posted:It's a fair point, but I just can't bring myself to care anymore. I spend so much money trying to prop up the gaps the tories have created and yet all I see is it getting worse. There's a point where I would rather torch our poo poo country rather than let it continue drinking petrol. While that is perhaps the primary motivation of accelerationists the world over, what it will likely lead to is a smouldering ruin which raises one charred arm, and pulls out the petrol can again.
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Eh, it's the democratic right of the people to ruin their lives. I figure I'd rather be hoist on my own petard than bombed by someone else.
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Serotonin posted:For anyone interested I meant to say then forgot - might be good to add this to the OP for anyone who wants to donate in memory of Fluo.
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Good call, I've added it.
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Tesseraction posted:Eh, it's the democratic right of the people to ruin their lives. I figure I'd rather be hoist on my own petard than bombed by someone else. Doesn't seem a very useful right tbh. Especially as the way that democracy works is that they take down everyone else down with them.
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Jose posted:Since someone linked edx courses earlier and there seem to be a couple of mathematicians in the thread and maybe some other people have studied statistics. Can anyone recommend an online course for it since i have no loving clue what I'm looking for. Just introductions to it https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-probability-science-mitx-6-041x-1
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big scary monsters posted:Doesn't seem a very useful right tbh. Especially as the way that democracy works is that they take down everyone else down with them. And who am I to vote against my natural inclination because doing so 'might' save other people from the consequences of their own vote?
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