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Mooseontheloose posted:Too bad Spidey isn't around yet because I want that scene where Punisher gives him a full punch to the face and Spider-Man shrugs it off. My favorite Punisher getting punched moment is still Molly from Runaways gut punching him and the look of shock on his face. I'm on my phone or I'd find it and post it.
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Medullah posted:My favorite Punisher getting punched moment is still Molly from Runaways gut punching him and the look of shock on his face. I'm on my phone or I'd find it and post it. I've got you covered. 
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DarkCrawler posted:Uh, not to slam on Daredevil (I liked it, except I still think that the Kingpin was horrible in the show), but aren't all those basically huge mostly negative stereotypes Honestly, when china has tons of media and movies with ridiculous kung fu stereotypes, and japan has tons of media with ridiculous ninja stereotypes, and I don't know of any offhand but I can hardly imagine russia doesn't have tons of media about gangsters there's really nothing wrong at all with using stereotypical ninjas or kung fu or gangsters or whatever in good faith (you can obviously handle them poorly in a way that can end up somewhat racist, but that's usually not the case). Otherwise somehow it's somehow 'wrong' for anyone but a chinese director to make a kung fu movie that uses any kung fu tropes or stereotypes, many of which were made in chinese movies, which is ridiculous. I'm amazed at how often it comes up that it's somehow racist or something to have a crazy wuxia style kung fu theme for Iron Fist.
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Right, but America has tons of media and movies about political correctness stereotypes, which is what this is really about...
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Speaking of Daredevil and Asian people, Netflix released a teaser for the lunar new year: http://youtu.be/xA74BNavJLo BEG The reception has been universally pleased. Pretty thoughtful imo.
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Is it just me or is March 18th really close.
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Wolpertinger posted:Honestly, when china has tons of media and movies with ridiculous kung fu stereotypes, and japan has tons of media with ridiculous ninja stereotypes, and I don't know of any offhand but I can hardly imagine russia doesn't have tons of media about gangsters there's really nothing wrong at all with using stereotypical ninjas or kung fu or gangsters or whatever in good faith (you can obviously handle them poorly in a way that can end up somewhat racist, but that's usually not the case). It's wrong in the sense that those ridiculous stereotypes are the only roles actors of the respective ethnicity can get. How many Asians have shown up in the MCU, beyond a cameo, that don't fall into a classification of Drug Dealer/Gangster/Restaurant Owner?
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:It's wrong in the sense that those ridiculous stereotypes are the only roles actors of the respective ethnicity can get. How many Asians have shown up in the MCU, beyond a cameo, that don't fall into a classification of Drug Dealer/Gangster/Restaurant Owner? At least 3?
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SaintFu posted:At least 3? Chloe is only half-Asian. 
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Feb 7, 2016 20:47
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Four Score posted:ugh if ever a post made me want to see someone round up and shot for their opinion about a Netflix original For criticizing a show with issues and pointing out that Kilgrave is better acted than Jessica? I mean Ritter is easily the weakest of the main cast. She really doesn't sell the character at all. Some of that is her and some of it is clunky writing, but the other leads all manage to make the not so stellar dialogue work. Except for that hilarously bad Cage line about being inside her. You've got some problems, yo.
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Feb 7, 2016 20:50
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:It's wrong in the sense that those ridiculous stereotypes are the only roles actors of the respective ethnicity can get. How many Asians have shown up in the MCU, beyond a cameo, that don't fall into a classification of Drug Dealer/Gangster/Restaurant Owner? Even if we limit it to just East Asians, the MCU has a Norse god, various levels of SHEILD agents include main characters on one of the shows, a decent amount of extras, and a lot of doctors. I mean, doctor is also a stereotypical field for Asians, but it's not a drug dealing gangster restaurateur. Also, not East Asian, but Tony Stark only becomes Iron Man thanks to an Asian dude.
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esperterra posted:For criticizing a show with issues and pointing out that Kilgrave is better acted than Jessica? I mean Ritter is easily the weakest of the main cast. She really doesn't sell the character at all. Some of that is her and some of it is clunky writing, but the other leads all manage to make the not so stellar dialogue work. Except for that hilarously bad Cage line about being inside her. Ritter is the best thing about this show after Kilgrave, sorry. You are wrong and your opinions are wrong.
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Feb 7, 2016 20:59
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I preferred arguing about racism to this.
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Gyges posted:Even if we limit it to just East Asians, the MCU has a Norse god What
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TheMaestroso posted:What Grim Hogun of the Warriors 3.
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TheMaestroso posted:What 
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HIJK posted:BEG Uh, he says Bang. You can clearly hear the "n" sound. Macdeo Lurjtux posted:It's wrong in the sense that those ridiculous stereotypes are the only roles actors of the respective ethnicity can get. How many Asians have shown up in the MCU, beyond a cameo, that don't fall into a classification of Drug Dealer/Gangster/Restaurant Owner? Hogun, of the Warriors 3. Howling Commando Jim Morita. Dr. Helen Cho. Agent Melinda May. Agent Daisy Johnson. Jiaying.
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Feb 7, 2016 23:26
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enraged_camel posted:Ritter is the best thing about this show after Kilgrave, sorry. You are wrong and your opinions are wrong. I like Ritter a lot, I've been a fan since she showed up on Veronica Mars, but she just doesn't sell Jessica for me. Or that other guy. Or many people, from what I remember about reading the thread when the show came out. It's a common opinion.
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Feb 7, 2016 23:55
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esperterra posted:I like Ritter a lot, I've been a fan since she showed up on Veronica Mars, but she just doesn't sell Jessica for me. Or that other guy. Or many people, from what I remember about reading the thread when the show came out. It's common, yet only a couple people have shared it so far?
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It feels to me like it's an issue where people want the Jessica character to be something different from what it is. Like they want her to be more like Black Widow or Veronica Mars or something.
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Not everyone will connect with every performance every single time. That has nothing to do with wanting a different character, it just means the actor failed to connect with that particular person. Nor does it mean that actor is bad at the job.
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HIJK posted:Not everyone will connect with every performance every single time. That has nothing to do with wanting a different character, it just means the actor failed to connect with that particular person. Nor does it mean that actor is bad at the job. But if we can't assign opinions binary values of right or wrong, how do we have an argument on the internet? 
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HIJK posted:Not everyone will connect with every performance every single time. That has nothing to do with wanting a different character, it just means the actor failed to connect with that particular person. Nor does it mean that actor is bad at the job. Yes, but this is what the original poster said: esperterra posted:I mean Ritter is easily the weakest of the main cast. She really doesn't sell the character at all. The nature of this assertion is quite different than what you are saying.
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enraged_camel posted:Yes, but this is what the original poster said: I don't really think so especially since so many people liked Ritter's performance. If the guy doesn't like how she acts out Jessica then that's on him. He's allowed to have an opinion and I'm afraid that's all that is. It's not like he can pick another actress to be Jessica Jones. esperterra can only speak for himself and Ritter didn't sell the performance to him. End of. IMO I really liked Ritter, I haven't seen her other stuff. But I thought she did well. OPINIONS
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Kheldarn posted:Uh, he says Bang. You can clearly hear the "n" sound. was the mandarin supposed to be asian i couldn't tell
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Cry Havoc posted:was the mandarin supposed to be asian i couldn't tell Ben Kingsley played Ghandi who was Asian, but I don't know either.
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enraged_camel posted:Yes, but this is what the original poster said: I never stated it as fact. Perhaps I could have said it differently, but it's clearly my own opinion. That original post was meant as more of a 'what the gently caress' to another poster saying some other guy who liked Tennant's performance more than Ritter should be round up and shot. Probably I should have put more emphasis on that or at least separated my own two cents from the observation. At any rate, poo poo is whack.
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Cry Havoc posted:was the mandarin supposed to be asian i couldn't tell They went with an Oriental (Middle-Eastern) direction, though the actual character Kingsley plays is just a British actor.
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Cry Havoc posted:was the mandarin supposed to be asian i couldn't tell
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esperterra posted:"actually you're wrong because--" *regurgitates verbatim their bad opinion* Four Score fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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AtraMorS posted:guy pierce is not asian, no Wrong dude.
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I'm a lady. Or is it a fact that I'm a man, too?
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BarbarousBertha posted:Ben Kingsley played Ghandi who was Asian, but I don't know either. He's here, but he's not here.
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Cry Havoc posted:was the mandarin supposed to be asian i couldn't tell He was a commentary on American/European Orientalism.
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He's here, he's queer, now he's over here!
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esperterra posted:I mean Ritter is easily the weakest of the main cast. She really doesn't sell the character at all. Some of that is her and some of it is clunky writing, but the other leads all manage to make the not so stellar dialogue work. I get why someone would make this argument, but Jessica is a tough character for any actor. She's a cold, standoffish trauma victim with a flat affect and alcohol dependency. It makes complete sense that she's inexpressive and chemically numb most of the time, even if that creates fewer "Watch Me Act" moments. (Which a villain like Kilgrave has by the dozens.) A more outspoken or socially functional take on the character definitely gives an actor more to work with, but Jessica being robotic and antisocial are somewhat central to the core themes of abuse, trauma, and survival.
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Xealot posted:I get why someone would make this argument, but Jessica is a tough character for any actor. She's a cold, standoffish trauma victim with a flat affect and alcohol dependency. It makes complete sense that she's inexpressive and chemically numb most of the time, even if that creates fewer "Watch Me Act" moments. (Which a villain like Kilgrave has by the dozens.) These reasons are pretty much exactly why Ritter never fully worked for me. The moments where I felt she did work were often the lighter ones, but she never sold the trauma and while I think she's talented, for me she just isn't the kind of actress who can embody so much in so little. For a character like Jessica you need to be able to do that on top of her more bolder and unrestrained outburts. My thinking she was the weakest of the core cast is by no means my saying Ritter is awful, by the way. I had a lot of problems with this show, but acting was almost never one of them beyond that crazy twin sister. It's a hard role to play let alone to carry a show with, and she did well but didn't wow me. Which is saying a lot, really, considering she was working with Carrie Ann Moss and David Tennant-- and Tennant is an actor I don't really like at all, but think he was brilliant in this. The girl who played Patsy was kind of excellent and I'll be paying attention to her in the future. Dude playing Cage got me pretty hype for when his show rolls around.
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esperterra posted:The girl who played Patsy was kind of excellent and I'll be paying attention to her in the future. Look at this guy who didn't watch all of the smash-hit series 666 Park Avenue.
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TheMaestroso posted:Wrong dude.
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esperterra posted:I'm a lady. I fixed the pronoun for you 
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