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ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Look I'm not saying nothing good ever happens in the world and everything is terrible, I'm just saying nothing good ever happens in Canadian politics and everything is terrible with regards to the financial situation of the country and we're all hosed economically in the long run.

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Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
Not everybody, just poor and middle class people are hosed.

Edit: i mean regular middle class, not Liberal Middle Class.

Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Feb 8, 2016

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

MickeyFinn posted:

"Marijuana nihilist" and "weed intelligentsia" are pretty much the best things to come out of this thread. "Craft beer marxists" is up there too.

weed intelligentsia would be a pretty good name for a california dispensary.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

ChairMaster posted:

Look I'm not saying nothing good ever happens in the world and everything is terrible, I'm just saying nothing good ever happens in Canadian politics and everything is terrible with regards to the financial situation of the country and we're all hosed economically in the long run.

You've been constantly negative and miserable about everything to a degree that even CI can't match, and I don't even get the feeling it's somewhat in jest like it is with CI. Quite seriously: I think you may have an issue and you deserve to live a happy life, so at least speak to someone more qualified than a bunch of Internet morons like myself to see if there is treatment or therapy that could help you be a bit less of a stone-cold bummer all the time.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

I'm sort of curious why Canada didn't' develop a more diverse economy given how things like its education system, positive immigration, low corruption in government and close proximity to the USA economy should have helped out.

Probably dutch disease, commodities and real estate being the only booming and supported industries skewed the economy in a bad direction.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Subjunctive posted:

Minimum income is necessary now.

Well, yeah but it'll probably take something like most trucks being self-driving and major unemployment and unrest to really make that happen politically. I'd love if it happened sooner though. Probably half the people I work with would quit and just play video games though.

Ccs fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Feb 8, 2016

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Ccs posted:

Well, yeah but it'll probably take something like most trucks being self-driving and major unemployment and unrest to really make that happen politically. I'd love if it happened sooner though. Probably half the people I work with would quit and just play video games though.

I mean, sure, but they're still driving the economy. They still have to buy things to live. There's always the hope that it will cause a new enlightenment, too. While many humans display an almost godlike tolerance to mind-numbing boredom, when freed from the pressure of survival I think that many would (slowly, over the course of years) show a decreased reliance on pursuits of escapism and start to engage in productive hobbies.

Personally, the unthinkable boost in power it would give to the labor movement (by removing employers ability to hold our very existence hostage) is worth a certain portion of humanity living their entire lives as worthless dead weight. More for those who want more, the bare minimum for those who desire no further achievement anyways. :shrug:

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Ccs posted:

I'd love if it happened sooner though. Probably half the people I work with would quit and just play video games though.

Speaking as someone who would likely get taxed to gently caress and back to fund mincome, more power to them. If employers want people to get off the couch and show up, they should need to provide work that is rewarding in some way beyond mere, scraping survival.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




PT6A posted:

Dude, you should legit seek help.

:ironicat:

Been seeing a ton of Alberta plates driving through town lately so I think the hope of $100/bbl has generally died and is really sinking in with the average transplant worker from Ontario. If they had saved that money instead of squandering it on coke, hookers and pickup trucks in Fort Mac they could be coming back in way better shape into the hilariously depressing Ontario job and housing market. But nope.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Unlike people seem to believe in this thread, I take mental illness very seriously, and ChairMaster's constant, pathological and unfounded negativity about everything could be evidence that he needs help. His enduring negativity over months or years legitimate concerns me. I'm sorry that you don't care about mental illness.

Let's talk, everyone...

Ambrose Burnside
Aug 30, 2007

pensive

Furnaceface posted:

:ironicat:

Been seeing a ton of Alberta plates driving through town lately so I think the hope of $100/bbl has generally died and is really sinking in with the average transplant worker from Ontario. If they had saved that money instead of squandering it on coke, hookers and pickup trucks in Fort Mac they could be coming back in way better shape into the hilariously depressing Ontario job and housing market. But nope.

its incredible how many f-150s with alberta plates i've seen around the GTA in the past couple weeks, easily more than i can recall ever seeing in the previous year+ at least

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Ambrose Burnside posted:

its incredible how many f-150s with alberta plates i've seen around the GTA in the past couple weeks, easily more than i can recall ever seeing in the previous year+ at least

Please run them into the ditch, if possible.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Ambrose Burnside posted:

its incredible how many f-150s with alberta plates i've seen around the GTA in the past couple weeks, easily more than i can recall ever seeing in the previous year+ at least

Normally I would advise against it, but try taking a drive through Barrie some day. Half the vehicles are pickups with not a single sign it is being used for work, the other half are idiots in BMWs/Audis driving around like they are God's gift to mankind. Lots of Alberta plates on both.

Arent expensive rear end vehicles like the first thing to go when a bubble bursts? Or is it a healthy mix of houses and vehicles?

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I've been seeing a lot fewer Albertan plates on the island. I guess they can't afford the ferry anymore.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Vancouver report: In a month I've seen a dozen filthy vehicles with Alberta plates, stacked to the brim with personal possessions. I don't go out much during normal hours, either.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Furnaceface posted:

Arent expensive rear end vehicles like the first thing to go when a bubble bursts? Or is it a healthy mix of houses and vehicles?

It's harder for the repo guy to find you when you're a few provinces over. Might as well stop making payments and then drive it 'til someone tracks you down. It's not like you derive any benefit from being honest, assuming you have no money to take.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich

PT6A posted:

and you deserve to live a happy life,

You can't prove that!


Ikantski posted:

Not everybody, just poor and middle class people are hosed.

Edit: i mean regular middle class, not Liberal Middle Class.

Well who do you think I mean when I say "we"? I can't imagine reading any fellowship for rich people from anything I post.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I want to buy a used BMW X1 to replace my Prius when it finally dies, but I can't justify the cost so I hope the market gets flooded with Alberta people who want to get rid of theirs and I get one cheap.


Why can't people who wanted awesome truck equity want the cute little SUV that I like?

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
Calgary used car market is CRAZY right now..

Could probably make some decent cash buying them and driving to Ontario to resell

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Subjunctive posted:

Speaking as someone who would likely get taxed to gently caress and back to fund mincome, more power to them. If employers want people to get off the couch and show up, they should need to provide work that is rewarding in some way beyond mere, scraping survival.

Yeah, but it's a bit unfair because video games specifically trigger our rewards system with immediate payoff, whereas work tends to be rewarding on much longer time scale. Many people don't really realize that, or at least not until getting to a certain age after which they can't make a career change.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

HookShot posted:

Why can't people who wanted awesome truck equity want the cute little SUV that I like?

Because the vast majority of the people in this province are massive pricks who are deeply hosed in the head, and wouldn't know good taste if it came up and jerked them off.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR


Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.

PT6A posted:

Because the vast majority of the people in this province are massive pricks who are deeply hosed in the head, and wouldn't know good taste if it came up and jerked them off.

This phenomenon is not localized to one province or country.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Ccs posted:

Yeah, but it's a bit unfair because video games specifically trigger our rewards system with immediate payoff, whereas work tends to be rewarding on much longer time scale. Many people don't really realize that, or at least not until getting to a certain age after which they can't make a career change.

Oddly enough mincome would allow a broader range of people to make said career changes later in life. I went back to school at 31 and it was literally only possible because my parents are amazing people that let me move back home rent free while I pursued another venture into education. At least this time I picked a career that is not only relatively new, but expanding rapidly and in something that is never going away (everyone gets sick and old so yay me).

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I'm in my mid 30s and thanks to a series of stupid events out of my control it took until just a few years ago for me to finally land a stable full time gig without the stress of needing to worry about my contract end date or living in a city that doesnt mesh with my lifestyle and now I realize that I can't stand my career and I'm stuck with it unless we get mincome. Yay.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

EvilJoven posted:

I'm in my mid 30s and thanks to a series of stupid events out of my control it took until just a few years ago for me to finally land a stable full time gig without the stress of needing to worry about my contract end date or living in a city that doesnt mesh with my lifestyle and now I realize that I can't stand my career and I'm stuck with it unless we get mincome. Yay.

What's your lifestyle?

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I'm an unsophisticated hick and I was living in Toronto. Didn't mesh well.

flashman
Dec 16, 2003

EvilJoven posted:

I'm an unsophisticated hick and I was living in Toronto. Didn't mesh well.

buy some Atvs on credit and suck it up, wage slave

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Ya I need to diversify away from just holding truck equity.

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


If you are on mincome you are a lazy welfare queen who doesn't deserve to have a respectable and non-humiliating life.

Why won't people understand that the HARD WORKERS of ALBERTA deserve the Government funds because we earned it!

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
Conservative constituents demanding government bailout is peak :canada:

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR


Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.

jm20 posted:

Conservative constituents demanding government bailout is peak :canada::hf::911:

Albino Squirrel
Apr 25, 2003

Miosis more like meiosis

HookShot posted:

I want to buy a used BMW X1 to replace my Prius when it finally dies, but I can't justify the cost so I hope the market gets flooded with Alberta people who want to get rid of theirs and I get one cheap.


Why can't people who wanted awesome truck equity want the cute little SUV that I like?
Haha nobody here buys a little cute car. You need something enormous like an F350 to haul your rear end to the airport for your fly-in job haul your gear to your work site!

Anybody who actually bought something small and/or practical is much less likely to have to desperation sell their vehicle. An X1 is cheap for a BMW; you might get a better price in absolute terms looking at an X3 or larger.

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
The only truck anyone really needs is a Toyota Tacoma (because you can't get the Hilux in Canada). But it's tiny and efficient so everyone will know your manhood is small and withered if you drive one.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

peter banana posted:

The only truck anyone really needs is a Toyota Tacoma (because you can't get the Hilux in Canada). But it's tiny and efficient so everyone will know your manhood is small and withered if you drive one.

Tacomas are overpriced and still suffer from frame rot.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

Albino Squirrel posted:

Haha nobody here buys a little cute car. You need something enormous like an F350 to haul your rear end to the airport for your fly-in job haul your gear to your work site!

Anybody who actually bought something small and/or practical is much less likely to have to desperation sell their vehicle. An X1 is cheap for a BMW; you might get a better price in absolute terms looking at an X3 or larger.

Yeah, funnily enough the X1 despite being a worse car on paper (I think it's only a 4-cylinder engine compared to the X3's 6, that sort of thing) actually has better acceleration than the X3, and gets way better fuel efficiency.

Plus I hate driving big cars to begin with, the X1 is about as big as I ever want to go, and I only want to get it because I do so much winter mountain driving that it's probably a good idea, I've had some sketchy moments the last few years trying to get over Duffy Lake Rd.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

peter banana posted:

The only truck anyone really needs is a Toyota Tacoma (because you can't get the Hilux in Canada). But it's tiny and efficient so everyone will know your manhood is small and withered if you drive one.

You flatter me. Tacomas are a little more expensive up front but they hold their value really well. Having a car and a truck is ideal in the country. If there's 6" of disgusting snow my wife can still get to work. I can fill it with logs, dirty chainsaws, dead deer or the insane amount of baby accessories we seem to need whenever we stay overnight somewhere. I can pull a heavy trailer full of rotten logs or a boat. I would never get a Tundra or big V-8, but a midsize v-6 pickup is really nice.

In housing news, apparently you can just walk away from a mortgage in Alberta. I did not know that.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jingle-mail-alberta-housing-1.3430867

quote:

Jingle mail — the act of walking away from an underwater mortgage by mailing your keys back to the bank — is a peculiarity of the Alberta residential market and an act of desperation. However, a combination of high debt and lost jobs make it an option in a province going through a significant economic reckoning.

Alberta is the only Canadian province to broadly offer non-recourse residential mortgages. Those are loans with at least a 20 per cent down payment and thus are not insured by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC).

If you walk away, you lose your home, but otherwise have no personal liability. Elsewhere in Canada, your lender can take you to court and seize other assets, such as RRSPs, vehicles, and even garnishee your wages.

Jingle mail was an enormous problem in Alberta in the 1980s, when mortgage rates were hovering around 20 per cent and people began leaving the province to find work elsewhere. It made a rough housing market even worse when banks were forced to sell off abandoned homes at a discount. It also played a role in the U.S. housing crash.

Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Feb 8, 2016

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Ikantski posted:

You flatter me. Tacomas are a little more expensive up front but they hold their value really well. Having a car and a truck is ideal in the country. If there's 6" of disgusting snow my wife can still get to work. I can fill it with logs, dirty chainsaws, dead deer or the insane amount of baby accessories we seem to need whenever we stay overnight somewhere. I can pull a heavy trailer full of rotten logs or a boat. I would never get a Tundra or big V-8, but a midsize v-6 pickup is really nice.

In housing news, apparently you can just walk away from a mortgage in Alberta. I did not know that.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jingle-mail-alberta-housing-1.3430867

I thought the phrasing was kinda funny, especially for this thread:

quote:

Tacoma ($20,765) sold 155,041 units to place 29th on the U.S. sales list in 2014, and consumers will get an astounding value on their truck investment. After 36 months, Tacoma retains an incredible 74.9% of its value, and it will hold onto 60.8% of its value after 60 months of ownership.

An astounding 40% less than what you paid for it! What an investment!

Gorau
Apr 28, 2008
Now only if the Tacoma could tow worth a drat!

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Gorau posted:

Now only if the Tacoma could tow worth a drat!

A Mercedes Benz GL class can tow more :laugh:

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Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

jm20 posted:

A Mercedes Benz GL class can tow more :laugh:

Well yeah but 4 Tacomas can probably out-tow a GL and I'd have a grand left over. Is this the comparison you're making?

http://carsort.com/compare/Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-vs-Toyota-Tacoma-Regular-Cab

Count Roland posted:

An astounding 40% less than what you paid for it! What an investment!

Yeah, that doesn't jive in this thread but I'll go with it. If you buy and use a piece of equipment for 5 years, you're going to sell it for less. If that piece of equipment is Tacoma, you'll lose 38.3% selling in 5 years. If that piece of equipment is a Prius, you'll lose 63.2% of what you paid for it.

Maybe that's why well educated Albertans laugh at Prii, they know they're getting 67% better resale value on their truck.

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