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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm trying to wrap my head around the politics of this show and the more I think about it the more it doesn't make sense. The Ice Nation are meanies and everyone is teaming up to fight them in a coalition. Vane is banished from the Ice Kingdom which is why he's a forest pirate and not an Ice Kingdom prince. The Ice Nation are the baddies this year.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm trying to wrap my head around the politics of this show and the more I think about it the more it doesn't make sense. Stop trying to wrap your head around a CW show.
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PriorMarcus posted:Yeah, Octavia spent the first 16 years of her life knowing only two people and o e of them was executed. Then she spent a year or two in the Skybox barely interacting with anyone until she was dropped to the ground to die. Now the people who killed her mother and whose rules forced her to live under the floor and go to jail are in charge. Not only that, but Bellamy basically did everything wrong for the right reason (in his head) to protect Octavia in season 1 and kept driving a wedge with the only person she's ever implicitly trusted. Then the arkers capture and torture the first person who connects with her on more than a superficial level. Everything in season 1 pretty much serves to alienate Octavia from the 100 apart from maybe Jasper and Monty, and even that gets cut off in season 2. And it's not like she magically became Xena Warrior Princess overnight, it was a pretty arduous journey to gain the respect of Indra when she was desperately trying to find and save Lincoln, and it's pretty understandable that she'd be upset with Lincoln for basically following the opposite development she'd been experiencing in herself while fighting so hard for him. If anything Octavia has had the most organic growth to the character she currently is aside from Kane. hope and vaseline fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Feb 7, 2016 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm trying to wrap my head around the politics of this show and the more I think about it the more it doesn't make sense. Taking someone hostage from an ally is something that's been done throughout history. Its not that unusual. Keep in mind that Lexa's coalition is a recent and fragile one, which could splinter at any moment. What better ways to ensure the leaders of each clan stay in line? "Step out of line and your son gets it", is a pretty drat reason not to step out of line.
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Feb 7, 2016 15:08
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Is Lexa bad at fighting or do we just rarely ever get to see her fight? I seem to remember her kicking Jaha's rear end. Admittedly, that doesn't seem that hard. She got smacked by that wunderkid but I thought the point of that scene was the kid being good and not Lexa being bad. E: Also the politics I got from the show is that the Ice Nation is a part of the coalition, but is the most powerful individual member, so they throw their weight around more.
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Aphrodite posted:Octavia is hilarious. you finally made Octavia good in season 2, show, stop loving it up
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Feb 7, 2016 16:25
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I don't see what's the big deal with Octavia not wanting Lincoln to be too cozy with the arkers. Octavia was never part of the Arkers and probably doesn't hold a lot of love for any of them. Her life mainly consisted of hiding in the floorboards, or spending time in jail. The arkers floated her parents and sent her down on earth to die with the rest of the 100. Why would she hold any loyalty to them? She got to earth and found herself a badass. She likes him for his culture and what he is and now, shje feels like he's trying to become one of the very people who imprisoned her all her life. After the first 3 episodes on the ground, Octavia was already more of a grounder than an Arker.
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Feb 7, 2016 16:42
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Octavia should run off with Roan, I bet they'd get along together.
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Feb 7, 2016 16:49
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My understanding of Roan is that he's not really a fan of his own mom/Ice Nation, and has hanging out with Tree Crew before he was banished by Lexa. He brings her Clarke to get unbanished and she said "nah, you're my prisoner too" and now he wants Clarke to kill her. He could have brought Clarke to the Ice queen but didn't. He is obviously estranged from his own nation. I'm sure they'll fill in more details about him as time goes on.
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Feb 7, 2016 17:18
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Is that tower a recognizable building or is it just random? I did like the birds eye view they did of it where you could see that it actually lies within a ruined city. Also Polis is a specific place or are grounders bringing back Greek?
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Feb 7, 2016 18:02
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zoux posted:Also Polis is a specific place or are grounders bringing back Greek? Annapolis.
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I didn't say Octavia wanting to be a Grounder (or more specifically, not an Arker) didn't make sense, it's the time frame that makes it funny. She actually did become a badass basically overnight. All her dialogue this season so far is as if she grew up with them when the show's time frame means she could only have been with them for like 2 weeks.
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Feb 7, 2016 20:44
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm trying to wrap my head around the politics of this show and the more I think about it the more it doesn't make sense. He's a hostage.... taking royal hostages is about as old timey politics as old timey politics gets.
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Feb 7, 2016 21:53
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It's a coalition between the 12 clans, but they're all under Lexa. Even though she's from the Tree Clan and Polis is physically located there, I don't think she's considered their day to day leader. That appears to be Indra.
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They already explicitly referred to Indra as the leader of the Tree Clan, so yeah, that's right.
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Aphrodite posted:I didn't say Octavia wanting to be a Grounder (or more specifically, not an Arker) didn't make sense, it's the time frame that makes it funny. Months passed between 2 and 3 alone iirc. I honestly think it's likely been coming up on close o a year now since the 100 landed, unless there's some official timeline somewhere and I am way off.
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Feb 7, 2016 23:53
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Clarke was locked up a whole week between ep 3x2 and 3x3.
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Yeah it's been like 3 months between season 2 and 3. I guess some people don't pay much attention to the details.
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Boris Galerkin posted:So Lexa is the leader of a coalition of 12 clans, like the tree crew and the others I don't remember the names of. It's more like a kingdom than a coalition but okay whatever. Before Lexa they were all separate. Now they are loosely aligned for the first time ever. It's a coalition. quote:Question: is Ice Nation a part of this coalition? Yes. quote:So if Ice Nation is a part of the coalition, why is their leader's son a prisoner? Because the Ice Nation is poo poo and has been trying to gently caress with Lexa for...ever. They kidnapped her old girlfriend and tortured her to death, it's one of the things that put her on her whole "Emotions are weakness" kick. quote:Like I get the idea that Ice Nation is another clan of people and apparently they enough people and power so that it was in 12 other clan's best interests to unite as a single front. They are one of the 12 Clans.
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Wandle Cax posted:Yeah it's been like 3 months between season 2 and 3. I guess some people don't pay much attention to the details. That's now. Everything with Octavia's training was during like 3 episodes.
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Aphrodite posted:That's now. Everything with Octavia's training was during like 3 episodes. She sleeps on the ground now man. She's hard as poo poo.
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I think it's a little disheartening that after all Lincoln's been through, he now has to deal with Octavia's bullshit. E: Lincoln's gotta be to suffering what Clarke is to killing. Jump King fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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Feb 8, 2016 05:28
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There's none so zealous as a convert. It's super common and not weird at all.
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punchymcpunch posted:There's none so zealous as a convert. It's super common and not weird at all. He brought her into this life, with his dreamy abs and mysteriousness. Then he goes and gets himself banished by thinking with his dick. "Come be a dirty sexy warrior with me, we'll gently caress in a tree house" "Cool! my people suck, cept my brother" nek minnit "Come be a security guard with me" "errr... where's my loving treehouse" Octavia is without fault.
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Feb 8, 2016 05:49
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He was banished from Tree crew because he stayed with the Arkers to attack Mt Weather...right? It's a little fuzzy in my memory.
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hollylolly posted:He was banished from Tree crew because he stayed with the Arkers to attack Mt Weather...right? It's a little fuzzy in my memory. I think his initial crime was siding with the Ark teens at the end of Season 1. He was given a reprieve when they made the alliance, but then he was arrested when Lexa made the deal with Mt. Weather. Then Indra secretly released him in the Season 2 finale. Lycus fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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He stayed to protect Octavia, after Lexa made a truce that left mount weather off limits to Treecrew.
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He didn't stay, they took him. Indra then let him go and he got back at the very end in time to kill Cage.
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That sounds right. Which is also why Octavia isn't with Indra anymore, because she was forced to choose and she went after her brother rather than retreat with Treecrew.
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Lycus posted:He didn't stay, they took him. Indra then let him go and he got back at the very end in time to kill Cage. They took him, yeah, Indra gave him a knife shaped choice. I was just trawling tumblr for a gif of your man getting booted off the balcony, and found this. The princes map. 
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Feb 8, 2016 06:41
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Now the next thing can a local DC person and/or trainsperg tell us if that's a current map or they added more stuff in the next 40 odd years?
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Polis is in B'more, from what i gather.
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Rocksicles posted:Polis is in B'more, from what i gather. Or it's the place directly to the east of DC with "Polis" in the name, Annapolis.
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It's not, they have confirmed it, and it's on the 100 wiki. The polis name as no relation to those cities. Polis market = Linthicum Heights Subway station... Baltimore. 
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Feb 9, 2016 05:44
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That's odd. Wonder how that worked out. Everything else is basically named after what it always was, it's not like "Tondc" is what they call Richmond. At least living in Baltimore explains why they are so poo poo at running things.
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I just googled polis+baltimore and it came up with a bunch of articles about a trans woman beaten to death in Baltimore, her last name was Polis.... Make of that what you will. It also means city in Ancient Greek Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Feb 9, 2016 06:04
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A half of an Annapolis sign got blown to Baltimore by a nuke. There.
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From what I understand, the basic idea behind Trigdasleng is that it's designed to be a made up language, sort of like Pig Latin. It's a pidgin English for a survivalist group that's big enough that not everybody knows each other. So if somebody can talk to you in the same made-up language, then you're both part of the same group, and if somebody doesn't understand, then they're an outsider. Which is why a lot of English creeps into the language, and why things like skykru and and treekru makes sense. It's not hard to imagine slipping in polis in as a word for city, since it's the root word for words like politician, polite, and policy. I have studied zero ancient Greek and I know that polis means city. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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I'm down, i need no convincing.
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