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Are people who criticize common core math just stupid? It's coming up on my feed a lot and I don't understand why breaking down numbers in a new way makes parents angry.
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Feb 11, 2016 06:42
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Elderbean posted:Are people who criticize common core math just stupid? It's coming up on my feed a lot and I don't understand why breaking down numbers in a new way makes parents angry. Basically because it's easier and more intuitive to do it the old way. There's no reason to make simple stuff complicated. E: or at least that's the arguement I've heard. I don't have whippersnappers. Scathach has a new favorite as of 07:01 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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Feb 11, 2016 06:49
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Elderbean posted:Are people who criticize common core math just stupid? It's coming up on my feed a lot and I don't understand why breaking down numbers in a new way makes parents angry. Because Obama.
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Feb 11, 2016 06:50
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Elderbean posted:Are people who criticize common core math just stupid? It's coming up on my feed a lot and I don't understand why breaking down numbers in a new way makes parents angry. People are scared of things they don't understand. Especially when it involves their kid.
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Feb 11, 2016 06:53
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Scathach posted:Basically because it's easier and more intuitive to do it the old way. There's no reason to make simple stuff complicated. Actually learning things multiple ways helps children understand the underlying principles of what they're being taught instead of rotely memorizing factoids for tests and then forgetting it all the next year. What's intuitive to you might not be to otherrrrrssss~
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Feb 11, 2016 06:56
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 Corinthians 10:5-6 English Standard Version : "We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete." King James Version: "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ" Think differently! Not, you know, fluidly.. just differently!
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Feb 11, 2016 07:08
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I figured parents were frustrated because it meant their kids are coming home with homework the parents don't know how to help them with. I can understand being less than enthusiastic about that, but to be honest I have no idea how difficult/simple it is to just learn so you can assist you kids.
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Feb 11, 2016 07:11
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Huntersoninski posted:I figured parents were frustrated because it meant their kids are coming home with homework the parents don't know how to help them with. I can understand being less than enthusiastic about that, but to be honest I have no idea how difficult/simple it is to just learn so you can assist you kids. It's basically this. If you already can do math a lot of the new stuff seems bizarre, or excessively complicated. For example - the Make 10 method is something most of us just kind of pick up and start doing automatically when we add numbers in our heads. By teaching it to students and showing them WHY it works, they'll be much more prepared in a few years when math gets a lot more complicated. But parents see these crazy looking equations and ask why we don't just teach the normal math.
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Feb 11, 2016 07:37
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The other thing of course is that whenever an argument about Common Core pops up its pretty much always about the math section (on here especially) and people seem to miss that it's a curriculum for every subject.
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Feb 11, 2016 07:41
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Also common core isn't even the new math stuff people bitch about. It's curriculum not standards.
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Feb 11, 2016 07:48
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Huntersoninski posted:I figured parents were frustrated because it meant their kids are coming home with homework the parents don't know how to help them with. I can understand being less than enthusiastic about that, but to be honest I have no idea how difficult/simple it is to just learn so you can assist you kids. My mom has been all over this though. In the last three weeks she's sent me maybe a dozen articles about "Our children being ruined and made into corporate slaves and Obama designed common core to ruin America!!" She's an idiot, but doesn't use social media (un)fortunately. That's my common core anecdote.
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Feb 11, 2016 08:24
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What is a Deildoc?
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Feb 11, 2016 08:35
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I am the idiot on social media, A former coworker shared that sheriff's black panthers comment, and I tried to educate her on COINTELPRO. I really don't know why I bothered, or why I got mad at it, I usually ignore facebook. No pictures, because it was just ignorantasswhitepeople.jpg
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Feb 11, 2016 08:41
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Dr_Amazing posted:For example - the Make 10 method is something most of us just kind of pick up and start doing automatically when we add numbers in our heads. That method turns "8+7=15" into "10-8=2, 7-2=5, 10+5=15". Maybe that is how you learned to do maths, but I just learned that 7+8=15. I don't have to think about it or do any working out, it's just a fact I know. So you can see how the new method seems unnecessarily complicated.
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Feb 11, 2016 08:59
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Tiggum posted:It really isn't though. This seems to be one of the big gaps in understanding between the two sides, where the side who like this method go "This is just how you'd do it in your head anyway, written out." and the side who don't go "No it isn't, what the gently caress are you talking about?" e: My example is bad since the only instance of making tens is in the single digits that you would have memorized anyway and I'm a dumb. But you know what I mean, hopefully. Panic! at Nabisco has a new favorite as of 09:27 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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Feb 11, 2016 09:22
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:Is 348 + 1557 something you just know too? Not trying to be snide, I'm legitimately wondering how you do mental math with numbers above what you would have memorized in school. For me, it's either adding single digits or making tens, so it would be 300 + 500 = 800, 40 + 50 = 90, 8 + 2 = 10 and 7 - 2 = 5 so 15, therefore 1000 + 800 + 90 + 15 = 1905. Not really. What example is there that doesn't work by just adding single digits? To be clear, my method is to go 7 and 8 is 5 and carry the 1, 5 and 4 is 9 and 1 is 0 carry the 1, 3 and 5 is 8 and 1 is 9, 1905. I can do that in my head very quickly and easily. If the numbers get much bigger then I'd need to write the answer down as I go rather than remembering all the digits. But your way doesn't make sense to me. You start from the left instead of the right and then backtrack whenever you need to carry? Is that how you're doing it? The way I do it, you can write it out like this: _348+ 1557 ==== And then just write the answer down from right to left as you get each digit, so it all ends up very neat on the page, and works for numbers of any size. Plus you can add more numbers together at once by just carrying larger numbers than 1 (eg. 38+47+95+80 you go 8 and 7 is 15 and 5 is 20, so 0 carry 2, 2 and 3 is 5 and 4 is 9 and 9 is 18 and 8 is 26 so 6 and carry 2 means the answer's 260).
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Feb 11, 2016 09:43
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Oh my god, you guys. It's almost as if.... our brains.... don't all work exactly the same! Holy poo poo! Who do we call with this breakthrough?? The SA Forums have done it again!
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Feb 11, 2016 10:15
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Tiggum posted:Maths For example, it's very easy to add 9 to another number. It's always one less plus ten. 8+9=17, one less than 8 is 7 and 7 +10 = 17. But I honestly never had anyone tell me that "trick", I just realized that after memorizing addition, subtraction and multiplication tables. Maybe I'm the idiot, because I've only seen this common core stuff up to 2nd grade level math, but so far it seems like this is what is actually being taught. To look at numbers and their relationship with each other, beyond just memorization. Who knows, maybe the whole thing falls apart when we start getting into more advanced math, but so far what I have seen seems like a good way to teach children to look at numbers and how they interact with each other. Also, this is a really stupid derail.
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Feb 11, 2016 10:17
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It happens literally any time someone mentions common core, people are really loving weird and defensive about the ways they learned math as a kid. It's even loving weirder for someone like Tiggum who doesn't even live in the US and doesn't have to deal with the whole "oh god what if my kid learns the wrong way to do math??? they'll grow up stupid!!!!" thing.
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Feb 11, 2016 10:19
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Tiggum posted:Not really. What example is there that doesn't work by just adding single digits? To be clear, my method is to go 7 and 8 is 5 and carry the 1, 5 and 4 is 9 and 1 is 0 carry the 1, 3 and 5 is 8 and 1 is 9, 1905. I can do that in my head very quickly and easily. If the numbers get much bigger then I'd need to write the answer down as I go rather than remembering all the digits. But your way doesn't make sense to me. You start from the left instead of the right and then backtrack whenever you need to carry? Is that how you're doing it? It's just a method of breaking down the problem into more manageable chunks. 8+7 is the same as 8+2+5, because 8+2 is nice and easy and then adding the 5 is a piece of piss. It's also basically what I do in my head all the time when adding numbers anyway, and I was never specifically taught that way from what I remember. I imagine this kind of thing would leave kids more prepared for algebra later on, since it teaches the principles of two different looking things actually having the same value.
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Feb 11, 2016 10:23
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Well that's interesting at least, I've always done the 'make 10' in my head when adding stuff. Written down it looks overwhelming, but it makes more sense in my head. I was of course taught the usual 'carry the 1' etc., but I always loving hated it, and it didn't make intuitive sense. I'd have to learn how to do it now again, and a piece of paper. Then we were also taught adding numbers and guesstimating how close to the real number you could get. There was not a correct answer, and it didn't make much sense to me back then, but it does now. It challenges your brain in a different way, I guess. That's My Math Story.
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Feb 11, 2016 11:34
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As long as the numbers at the end of the problem are right who cares
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Feb 11, 2016 11:36
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Skaw posted:As long as the numbers at the end of the problem are right who cares Until you get to algebra where numbers no longer matter but number sense is everything. It's seeing how numbers relate to each other through multiplication and addition. That's the goal. That's the key to succeeding beyond grade school.
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Feb 11, 2016 11:39
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Shut up about math you loving nerds
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Feb 11, 2016 12:26
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I think Common Core is just another extension of the differentiation process that they've pushed teachers to adopt. Most students do fine with the old way, but not all of them so they're introducing math concepts with stuff like friendly numbers and mental tricks that resonate when more kids' brains. This seem awkward and foreign to adults. I have a teaching cert, but haven't been in a classroom since Common Core got instituted so I'm not familiar with it. From what I've heard math instruction reverts back to what we're used to after this initial weird period. They'll still teach math in the traditional way, but they're trying to introduce the concepts differently. But if you are a parent and your 2nd grader brings home this new math poo poo, you freak because you've never seen it before and the old way seems so much easier.
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Feb 11, 2016 12:33
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HairyManling posted:Tiggum, I get what you're saying, but did someone specifically teach you to do it that way, or is that how you figured it out on your own? Lady Naga posted:It happens literally any time someone mentions common core, people are really loving weird and defensive about the ways they learned math as a kid. It's even loving weirder for someone like Tiggum who doesn't even live in the US and doesn't have to deal with the whole "oh god what if my kid learns the wrong way to do math??? they'll grow up stupid!!!!" thing. 
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Feb 11, 2016 12:38
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My boyfriend's mum shared this. Does that mean wearing branded T-shirts and shoes is against the law.
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Feb 11, 2016 12:39
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I don't know why the 5p carrier bag thing became such a big deal in England* We've had it in Wales for years, and I think the Scots have had it too. Nobody ever started looking for loopholes to try and get them for free, or raging at the sky Gods for allowing this to happen, we just said "OK makes sense" and got on with our lives. I think the worst it gets is when you're caught out needing to buy something without bringing a bag with you, and you feel like you're being wasteful by having to purchase one. But the 5p cost should nullify that anyway, so again... we just get on with it. * actually I do. The Daily Mail.
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Feb 11, 2016 12:43
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EL BROMANCE posted:* actually I do. The Daily Mail. This is pretty much the reason why it's such a BIG DEAL, meanwhile I just shrugged and continued to use my backpack for shopping.
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Feb 11, 2016 14:33
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Oh gently caress we're on common core again. Have this you loving weirdos. Literally right next to each other on a conservative Australian page: 
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Feb 11, 2016 14:37
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I've noticed a trend on extreme conservative articles and images where there'll have a call-to-action like "What did you think of the half-time show?" or "Share if you agree!". These people sure like sharing their impotent rage with others.
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Feb 11, 2016 15:36
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This entire thread is about impotent rage, lets not go pretending it's specific to other websites now.
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Feb 11, 2016 15:50
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Boy, people are still pretty steamed about that one group that was kind of militant, but didn't really do a whole lot wrong, and really only existed for about a decade.
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Feb 11, 2016 16:16
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EL BROMANCE posted:* actually I do. The Daily Mail.
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Feb 11, 2016 16:18
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FAROOQ posted:You're the Idiot. The Daily Mail supported the 5p bag tax Lol if you think TDM don't run articles that completely contradict each other. A few days before it went in, they wrote an article that said England was going to fall apart because the situations as to when you were allowed to claim a free bag weren't clear enough for poor, stupid, citizens. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/05/plastic-bag-charge-horror-scenes-england_n_8243490.html  So, bite me.
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Feb 11, 2016 16:25
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Of all the things to get angry about with the Daily Mail...
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Feb 11, 2016 16:26
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Nobody is angry at the Daily Mail for it, they're an accepted part of British life.
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Feb 11, 2016 16:34
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They're literally advertising their banish the bags campaign in that chaos looms article.
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Feb 11, 2016 16:37
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Yes, that's what contradict means.
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Feb 11, 2016 16:41
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EL BROMANCE posted:Lol if you think TDM don't run articles that completely contradict each other. A few days before it went in, they wrote an article that said England was going to fall apart because the situations as to when you were allowed to claim a free bag weren't clear enough for poor, stupid, citizens. Loose women Terri?
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