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Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

GimpInBlack posted:

In retrospect, I wish I hadn't used "suddenly displaying doctorate-level knowledge of physics" as an example of that kind of compromise; it muddies the waters further, and that sort of "wait, where didyou learn i]that[/i]?" compromise should really fall under humans getting suspicious of you and investigating your Cover. Hindsight is 20/20.

"Wikipedia."

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GimpInBlack
Sep 27, 2012

That's right, kids, take lots of drugs, leave the universe behind, and pilot Enlightenment Voltron out into the cosmos to meet Alien Jesus.

Kurieg posted:

"Wikipedia."

Why do you thing the compromise pool is Wits + Manipulation? :)

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

nrook posted:

Ah, so that's why he's running for president.

Holy poo poo

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

nrook posted:

Ah, so that's why he's running for president.

:captainpop:


Edit: I would totally play a WoD game based on the US Election.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

nrook posted:

Ah, so that's why he's running for president.

Aw, man.

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

UrbicaMortis posted:

:captainpop:


Edit: I would totally play a WoD game based on the US Election.

US Elections are run in D&D 3.5E. Probably why they're such an unbalanced shitshow.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



GimpInBlack posted:

Soul-pacting doesn't get you anything except their identity as a Cover. Demons need to do a lot of research if they want to keep their new pacts from eroding. Fortunately, menial, sub-Skill-dot level stuff like how to operate the fry cooker, daily schedule, names of friends and family, etc. is pretty easy with a couple days' observation thanks to demons' Eidetic Memory, and Legend can cover the bigger stuff for a while, but if you soul-pact a brilliant neurosurgeon and you have no Medicine dots, you might want to engineer an excuse for retirement ASAP.
I must have been confusing Covers with something similar from another game then. :shrug:

Daeren
Aug 18, 2009

YER MUSTACHE IS CROOKED

nrook posted:

Ah, so that's why he's running for president.

:worship:

GimpInBlack posted:

Why do you thing the compromise pool is Wits + Manipulation? :)

Some of my favorite moments in the Demon game I'm in are when someone rolls an exceptional success on a clutch compromise roll for doing something incredibly stupid/suspicious, and the player gets to come up with a reason for how it's justified so well it becomes an integral part of the Cover (to the point of getting a beat).

It's led to a triple-layer set of Covers on one demon (a supernatural disguise of a human disguise of a spirit), and a NYPD officer's abrupt two month disappearance getting explained away in a single sentence.

Arashiofordo3
Nov 5, 2010

Warning, Internet
may prove lethal.

Poison Mushroom posted:

That actually has some pretty neat implications in the context of the "you need humans to believe in you but not TOO hard" hack that's bouncing around in my brain. (Working title is "Bogeyman".) If you piggyback on the reputation of vampires, sure you get a shortcut to bring recognized, but you're also a huge risk to the Masquerade even without taking it too far.

Personally I'd like to see a system in place where as you grow in supernatural tolerance, your 'fated enemy' also grows in strength as you both draw from the same shared story/legend. I think it would be a good way to make sure you've always got a badguy who's going to be a match to the players. You get super cool powers, and it's easier to pull them off, because reality is more accepting of your powers. But the guy who's coming to put you down can do pretty much the same. It would also be nice if you co-opted some other well known story to gain more power, like "Hey guys, I'm totes a Vampire, lol!" you would pick up some kind of weakening aspect as well. You might increase your own powers, and take on their speed or strength. But you can't cross running water, or have a severe reaction to garlic, Sunlight sets you on fire, or you sparkle. Not the true vampire weakness, but the ones that everyone 'knows' they have.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

UrbicaMortis posted:

:captainpop:


Edit: I would totally play a WoD game based on the US Election.

It's mageball with higher stakes.

Hugoon Chavez
Nov 4, 2011

THUNDERDOME LOSER
So what do we know about nMage 2ed? I'm excited for the awesome game I'll never play but I'm very much out of the loop.

And since I'm asking, what about Scion?

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

Hugoon Chavez posted:

And since I'm asking, what about Scion?

A new system is being developped for it and other OPP products; back in June some teasers of it were published on their blog.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1muyXqM1SO07HCuPPyXcw0BLwv1Hbp9ltiXHDHpvPJQg/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tGOJRG7u3egaibnxbdye8TNiPiWQBgPvxIBDChtH2iQ/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mxa3JGoAq-FDw4MLlWO-1Ci8ezvvVXMhSOFl3cTwR6M/edit

Dave Brookshaw
Jun 27, 2012

No Regrets

Hugoon Chavez posted:

So what do we know about nMage 2ed? I'm excited for the awesome game I'll never play but I'm very much out of the loop.

First and most importantly, the heading font has been changed to one I can read.

Second and at greater length:

Theme http://theonyxpath.com/addicted-to-mysteries/
"Fallen World Chronicle" http://theonyxpath.com/falling-down/
The Lie http://theonyxpath.com/ill-lie-to-you/
Mage Sight http://theonyxpath.com/revelations/
Yantras http://theonyxpath.com/a-lever-and-a...lace-to-stand/
Paths (& Acanthus Preview) http://theonyxpath.com/pathfinding/
Inspirational Media http://theonyxpath.com/awakened-inspirations/
Reach and Paradox http://theonyxpath.com/paradoxical/
Mastigos Preview http://theonyxpath.com/pandemonic/
Legacies http://theonyxpath.com/legacies/
Moros Preview http://theonyxpath.com/death-is-the-road-to-awe/
Orders (& Free Council Preview) http://theonyxpath.com/new-order/
Mage Society http://theonyxpath.com/a-well-armed-society/
Left Handed Mages http://theonyxpath.com/sympathy-for-the-sinister/
Obrimos Preview http://theonyxpath.com/drawn-to-the-flame/
Mysterious World http://theonyxpath.com/terra-incogni...the-awakening/
Atlantis http://theonyxpath.com/the-fate-of-a...the-awakening/
Thyrsus Preview http://theonyxpath.com/the-invisible...the-awakening/
Wisdom http://theonyxpath.com/sophias-choic...the-awakening/
Nimbus http://theonyxpath.com/luminous-bein...the-awakening/
Tokyo Preview http://theonyxpath.com/the-onmyodo-mage-the-awakening/
Fallen World Anthology http://theonyxpath.com/redlines-and-...the-awakening/
Creative Thaumaturgy http://theonyxpath.com/the-creative-...the-awakening/
Sleepers, Sleepwalkers, and Proximi http://theonyxpath.com/supporting-ca...the-awakening/
Dark Eras expansion http://theonyxpath.com/going-back-in...ing-dark-eras/
Attainments http://theonyxpath.com/reaching-the-...the-awakening/
Neolithic Dark Era http://theonyxpath.com/the-end-is-th...-the-forsaken/
Adamantine Arrow Preview http://theonyxpath.com/we-can-make-t...the-awakening/
Guardians of the Veil Preview http://theonyxpath.com/a-beautiful-c...the-awakening/
Mysterium Preview http://theonyxpath.com/endless-wonde...the-awakening/asdf
Silver Ladder Preview http://theonyxpath.com/my-body-is-a-...the-awakening/
Seers of the Throne Preview http://theonyxpath.com/everybody-wan...the-awakening/
Ascension (end of Open Development) http://theonyxpath.com/ascension-mage-the-awakening/

Lupercalcalcal
Jan 28, 2016

Suck a dick, dumb shits
Do we have any word on how long we're likely to be waiting before we see the PDF come through, Dave? I know me and my group are just chomping at the bit for it.

Attorney at Funk
Jun 3, 2008

...the person who says honestly that he despairs is closer to being cured than all those who are not regarded as despairing by themselves or others.

Dave Brookshaw posted:

First and most importantly, the heading font has been changed to one I can read.

I take back at least half of the mean things I ever said about you

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

Dave Brookshaw posted:

First and most importantly, the heading font has been changed to one I can read.
Unfortunately, it's been changed to this font.

Dave Brookshaw
Jun 27, 2012

No Regrets

Nifara posted:

Do we have any word on how long we're likely to be waiting before we see the PDF come through, Dave? I know me and my group are just chomping at the bit for it.

No idea. It's in layout, with all the necessary resources (text, fonts, artwork, even the back cover text) done. Just needs a layout person to actually assemble it, followed by the dance of finding page xx, looking for glitches, and getting the final pdf approved by White Wolf.

I already have a list of every page xx reference in the book and where they're supposed to go to, so that ought to be quick.

Rohan Kishibe
Oct 29, 2011

Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.

Dave Brookshaw posted:

No idea. It's in layout, with all the necessary resources (text, fonts, artwork, even the back cover text) done. Just needs a layout person to actually assemble it, followed by the dance of finding page xx, looking for glitches, and getting the final pdf approved by White Wolf.

I already have a list of every page xx reference in the book and where they're supposed to go to, so that ought to be quick.

Given my previous experience of this, I can't wait to see Mage 2.0 in 2376.

Chernobyl Peace Prize
May 7, 2007

Or later, later's fine.
But now would be good.

Dave Brookshaw posted:

No idea. It's in layout, with all the necessary resources (text, fonts, artwork, even the back cover text) done. Just needs a layout person to actually assemble it, followed by the dance of finding page xx, looking for glitches, and getting the final pdf approved by White Wolf.

I already have a list of every page xx reference in the book and where they're supposed to go to, so that ought to be quick.
Make your layout person use the "tag cross-reference" feature in InDesign with the page xx entries pointing at the "supposed to go to" targets while they're assembling the book, and you won't have to look for them even once. Also if you want to use an outside indicer, send them the manuscript ASAP, have them list the page entries as related in the current doc file (or just highlight the words/phrases in the doc file to send to layout), and get your layout person to click "create index reference" for every entry as they go.

Then all you have to do is spot-check that it's right, no assembly on your end required.

Magnusth
Sep 25, 2014

Hello, Creature! Do You Despise Goat Hating Fascists? So Do We! Join Us at Paradise Lost!


Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:

Make your layout person use the "tag cross-reference" feature in InDesign with the page xx entries pointing at the "supposed to go to" targets while they're assembling the book, and you won't have to look for them even once. Also if you want to use an outside indicer, send them the manuscript ASAP, have them list the page entries as related in the current doc file (or just highlight the words/phrases in the doc file to send to layout), and get your layout person to click "create index reference" for every entry as they go.

Then all you have to do is spot-check that it's right, no assembly on your end required.

you're doing the lord's work.

Chernobyl Peace Prize
May 7, 2007

Or later, later's fine.
But now would be good.

Magnusth posted:

you're doing the lord's work.
This is my hill, but I will never know the peace of death.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:

This is my hill, but I will never know the peace of death.

Of course not, the peace of death was supposed to be in this book but they ran out of page space. Unfortunately they didn't remove the page tags when they deleted it.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
RPPR produced a fantastic podcast on the Old World of Darkness. Their strategy was to have two veteran WoD players explain Dirty Secrets of the Black hand to a guy (Faust from the Third Wheel) who has no idea what he is getting into.

The results are beautiful. :allears:

http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2016/02/wod-the-heck/patreon-preview-wod-the-heck-dirty-secrets-of-the-black-hand/#comments

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

Nifara posted:

Whereas, in something like AW, or MH, that framework ensures escalation, resulting an an explosive (often literally) climax. That's the goal of the system, whether someone writing a hack wants it to be or not. PBTA is fractious, antagonistic and explosive. It's baked into the core concepts.

Now I want to see an Exalted-style PbtA hack, with Charms turned into moves and "you can make the world a better place if you can keep from throttling each other to death instead of fighting the bad guys" as theme in place of the single-character focus of the Great Curse.

Lupercalcalcal
Jan 28, 2016

Suck a dick, dumb shits

Roadie posted:

Now I want to see an Exalted-style PbtA hack, with Charms turned into moves and "you can make the world a better place if you can keep from throttling each other to death instead of fighting the bad guys" as theme in place of the single-character focus of the Great Curse.

OK.

hangedman1984
Jul 25, 2012

Helical Nightmares posted:

RPPR produced a fantastic podcast on the Old World of Darkness. Their strategy was to have two veteran WoD players explain Dirty Secrets of the Black hand to a guy (Faust from the Third Wheel) who has no idea what he is getting into.

The results are beautiful. :allears:

http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2016/02/wod-the-heck/patreon-preview-wod-the-heck-dirty-secrets-of-the-black-hand/#comments

loving incredible

Luminous Obscurity
Jan 10, 2007

"The instrument you know as a piano was once called a pianoforte, because it can play both loud and quiet notes."

Helical Nightmares posted:

RPPR produced a fantastic podcast on the Old World of Darkness. Their strategy was to have two veteran WoD players explain Dirty Secrets of the Black hand to a guy (Faust from the Third Wheel) who has no idea what he is getting into.

The results are beautiful. :allears:

http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2016/02/wod-the-heck/patreon-preview-wod-the-heck-dirty-secrets-of-the-black-hand/#comments

amazing

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

You work fast. :v:

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

The PBTA thread is abuzz with Exalted hacks, all focusing on different parts of the setting. I recommend checking it out!

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

Anyone ever do any kind of hexcrawl nonsense in WoD? I'm working on a Vampire Dark Ages game that involves a lot of travel and I think it might be fun to try it.

Lupercalcalcal
Jan 28, 2016

Suck a dick, dumb shits

Roadie posted:

You work fast. :v:

Yes.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
This seems fun as hell, and maybe more to the point, like you could run a Godgame in it with relatively little hacking.

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Dave Brookshaw posted:

Tons of awesome links

Thanks for posting these, should help kill some time at work! I'm really hyped for 2nd ed, hope I can convince my group to play.

crime fighting hog fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Feb 14, 2016

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


Helical Nightmares posted:

RPPR produced a fantastic podcast on the Old World of Darkness. Their strategy was to have two veteran WoD players explain Dirty Secrets of the Black hand to a guy (Faust from the Third Wheel) who has no idea what he is getting into.

The results are beautiful. :allears:

http://slangdesign.com/rppr/2016/02/wod-the-heck/patreon-preview-wod-the-heck-dirty-secrets-of-the-black-hand/#comments

So how good are they at delivering podcasts up to their par for Patreon?

edit: also I'd like to imagine that the DaveB in the comments is the Dave B

Dave Brookshaw
Jun 27, 2012

No Regrets

Gerund posted:

So how good are they at delivering podcasts up to their par for Patreon?

edit: also I'd like to imagine that the DaveB in the comments is the Dave B

Not guilty.

Chernobyl Peace Prize
May 7, 2007

Or later, later's fine.
But now would be good.

Gerund posted:

So how good are they at delivering podcasts up to their par for Patreon?

edit: also I'd like to imagine that the DaveB in the comments is the Dave B
RPPR's Interview with Sean Jaffe about Blood-Dimmed Tides, the OWoDdest book that isn't Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand, is what got me into listening to podcasts in general. They're A+++ material all the way.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
Walls of Text
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2014-2018

Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:

RPPR's Interview with Sean Jaffe about Blood-Dimmed Tides, the OWoDdest book that isn't Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand, is what got me into listening to podcasts in general. They're A+++ material all the way.

Oh my god that book is so bad.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell
I liked Blood-Dimmed Tides as a piece of oWoD. You've gotta admit, the following ideas are pretty :krad: :

* Lasombra antitribu night-pirates with armed yachts fighting Sabbat-owned shipping and Sabbat counterattacks with a stolen nuclear submarine.
* Were-sharks.
* An underwater research station being slowly taken over by malevolent servants of forces beyond our world and gradually wearing a hole in the fabric of reality itself.
* Ghost pirate fleets in the Caribbean, including Ghost Blackbeard.

The rest is meh at best, bizarre and bad at worst, but those bits are just awesome.

EDIT:

Whoah. Those motherfuckers doing the podcast just called Demon the Fallen terrible. The hell?

Loomer fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Feb 14, 2016

Chernobyl Peace Prize
May 7, 2007

Or later, later's fine.
But now would be good.

My favorite part of Blood-Dimmed Tides is a thing mentioned in the interview as an idea got dropped in drafting because it was too owod for owod: the idea that Gangrel (or possibly vampires in general) eventually feel the lure of the abyssal/lightless zone of the ocean, to swim breathlessly in eternal darkness.

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Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:

My favorite part of Blood-Dimmed Tides is a thing mentioned in the interview as an idea got dropped in drafting because it was too owod for owod: the idea that Gangrel (or possibly vampires in general) eventually feel the lure of the abyssal/lightless zone of the ocean, to swim breathlessly in eternal darkness.

Actually this owns. I want underwater vampire adventures Onyx Path, make it happen.

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