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Bellamy wasn't around for the grounder lovefest in Season 2. He was with the Skaikru-Grounder Coalition for like one day before Clarke sent him off on his spy mission (where he was subsequently betrayed by his Grounder Bro, though Lincoln had more reason than most). The next he heard of the Great Grounder Alliance, they hosed off and left them to die, and a genocide happened. Not saying he's particularly justified in his current course of action, just pointing out that literally every single time Bellamy Blake has trusted a Grounder, it has ended badly for him. And basically everyone else.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Because we're supposed to accept that because of a 3 month off-screen unexplained relationship with a redshrit girlfriend he's now broken enough to compeltely throw away two seasons of character development. It's bad writing. Bad writing: that's a good way to put it. I hate to jump to "bad writing" too quickly when I watch shows (because I like to write, but can't write scripts worth poo poo), but this episode did seem really scattered and random. Kind of like when I was playing with my action figures as a kid, and I'd have to come up with weird reasons why certain dudes would fight the others.
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Feb 12, 2016 04:17
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can I trade pike for jaha? I'm sorry I made fun of you jaha please come back you were way better than this douche
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Feb 12, 2016 04:27
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The big fight was good and tense because it really could have gone either way.
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Feb 12, 2016 04:43
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Pike went full Trump. You never go full Trump.
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Feb 12, 2016 05:05
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No need to trade Pike for Jaha. I'm pretty sure we're going to get more of both than we could have ever wanted.
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Feb 12, 2016 05:12
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:They need to just keep Jasper locked in a room somewhere. Hopefully for a long time. without food. Shimrra Jamaane posted:This is all so forced, so contrived. I'm so disappointed.  Troposphere posted:can I trade pike for jaha? I'm sorry I made fun of you jaha please come back you were way better than this douche These last 2 episodes needed a lot more of Jaha's wild ride. 
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Feb 12, 2016 05:15
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Lexa is a psychopath and I think I'm in love with her. When did Bellamy become a complete blithering retard? This feels more like plot for the sake of plot than something Bellamy would actually do. I was convinced he was working with Kane to trap Pike right up until it became painfully clear he wasn't.
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Feb 12, 2016 05:17
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Troposphere posted:can I trade pike for jaha? I'm sorry I made fun of you jaha please come back you were way better than this douche Pike's position is understandable. His entire relationship with the rounders has involved them trying to kill people from the Ark. From the second the farm station landed, the grounder a killed his people, including children. He knows they tried to kill the 100. When he did give a grounder the benefit of the doubt, it got Mount Weather blown up. After all of that I'd also be skeptical of a grounder army that surrounded my camp "as protection". If Roan beat Lexa, that army would have been given orders to kill the Sky Crew.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Because we're supposed to accept that because of a 3 month off-screen unexplained relationship with a redshrit girlfriend he's now broken enough to compeltely throw away two seasons of character development. It's bad writing. also bring back Jaha and the Murphster, holy poo poo
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Feb 12, 2016 05:18
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Spergatory posted:Bellamy wasn't around for the grounder lovefest in Season 2. He was with the Skaikru-Grounder Coalition for like one day before Clarke sent him off on his spy mission (where he was subsequently betrayed by his Grounder Bro, though Lincoln had more reason than most). The next he heard of the Great Grounder Alliance, they hosed off and left them to die, and a genocide happened. Not saying he's particularly justified in his current course of action, just pointing out that literally every single time Bellamy Blake has trusted a Grounder, it has ended badly for him. And basically everyone else. Fair point, but still doesn't work out in light of his decision to completely and unequivocally trust a random grounder girl he knew for all of a day (and who hosed off and left him to die at Mount Weather right alongside Lexa)
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Feb 12, 2016 05:21
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Soothing Vapors posted:Fair point, but still doesn't work out in light of his decision to completely and unequivocally trust a random grounder girl he knew for all of a day (and who hosed off and left him to die at Mount Weather right alongside Lexa) The gist of that post was that Echo was probably the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of Bellamy trusting Grounders on basically anything. They still could've done it better though. I mean, come on. Why invent a character to be his girlfriend just to kill her off? They could've used someone we already knew. Hell, it didn't even have to be his girlfriend. We all know Bellamy's got a huge big brother complex: just show him being a good big brother figure to Harper or Monroe, have them be his little protege now that Octavia spends most of her time being a warrior princess. Put them in the mountain and have THEM be the ones who die a semi-badass death bleeding out and still trying to save everyone. It would mean so much more, and it would make so much more sense for both the audience and Bellamy to be really torn up about it. We don't know Harper or Monroe that well, but at least we loving know them.
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Feb 12, 2016 05:26
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I'm still chuckling at Abby and Kane tossing the Chancellor pin back and forth, then Pike comes up out of nowhere and snatches it while dunking on those 2 nerds.  also I thought the Chancellor still had to vote on stuff and wasn't just a dictator.
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Feb 12, 2016 05:34
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Feb 12, 2016 06:05
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This show is in danger of approaching Under the Dome level of nonsensical character decisions and plot development. And it's managed to do it in 4 episodes. That's crazy.
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Feb 12, 2016 06:26
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Finally, a Chancellor with good ideas and the courage to see them through. The man the Arkers needed and the one they deserve. Pike does nothing wrong.
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Feb 12, 2016 06:28
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Lexa is Aussie? Sydneykru represent!
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Feb 12, 2016 06:37
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Troposphere posted:I'm glad I'm only really invested in Clarke and Lexa because this super dumb plot development will definitely make them closer and give them lots of screen time together! Judging by your avatar/custom title you are way more invested in fictional lesbians than I am but I agree because holy poo poo Clarke and Lexa's relationship really is the only good plot thread in this season so far. There's two characters I like acting according to previous characterization without any nonsense offscreen development, the actresses are killing it, and I have been emotionally moved by a few scenes. Everything else about season 3 is the exact opposite... Well maybe except Murphy. He's still hilariously terrible and that's why we love him
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Feb 12, 2016 07:14
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I really thought they were gonna spend an episode on the election.
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Feb 12, 2016 08:18
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I knew Pike was going to become Chancellor.  Bellamy is letting his emotions for his dead girlfriend and trusted earth skills teacher sway him and I'm not a fan of this character twist.Which, according to the preview, he's going to regret but not before they slaughter Treekru's army. Everything at Polis was awesome. 
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Feb 12, 2016 08:31
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you know pike's right that they have to prove that skicrew isn't just collateral damage. The problem is that they're attacking the wrong grounder clan. otoh trop is right that this will lead to more Clexa action so I'm a - okay with that.
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Feb 12, 2016 10:47
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Man it really does not feel like Debnam-Carey is guest starring. Even in season 2 she practically felt like a main character. Still can't believe she's only been in 12 episodes technically.
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Feb 12, 2016 11:06
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Don't quite understand the hate for Pike. Someone has to lay the groundwork for Clarke's season three killing spree.
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Feb 12, 2016 11:58
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Kegslayer posted:Don't quite understand the hate for Pike. He's a one-note instigator and his plotline so far has been extremely predictable. That might change but so far he's terrible. He's filling the same role the vice-captain of the guard did last season but unlike her Pike's motivations are laid plane.
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Feb 12, 2016 12:03
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hollylolly posted:I knew Pike was going to become Chancellor. I think we could have got to this point with Bellamy, without the Gina angle. Bellamy has always been willing to go to extremes when either he or his people were threatened. Let's not forget that he captured and tortured Lincoln, allowed 300 people on the Ark to be killed to avoid facing the consequences of shooting Jaha, and was leading the charge to kill grounders when Finn and Clarke wanted to make peace. Last season he let his guard down, as Pike did in the episode before, and in return for risking his life to free all the grounders, Lexa left them all to die once she had gotten what she wanted. When Clarke pulled the level to irradiate Mount Weather, she was killing Cage and mostly faceless people. Bellamy joined her in eradicating everyone even after being saved and aided by the good Mountain Men. Now, the grounder who probably best understands what Bellamy went through to save them, betrayed him and got Mount Weather blown up. It would have been completely reasonable for Bellamy to join Pike's grounder extermination force without the dead girlfriend motivation. Even Pike is acting fairly rationally given the information he has. The Farm Station have been getting killed by grounders from the minute they landed, and now there is a "truce" assured by the grounder commander, whose actions would have likely left no remaining Ark survivors for him to have reunited with. Under this truce, some grounders still blew up half of Pike's people - and now there is an grounder army surrounding them. You would have to be pretty naive to believe that the army surrounding you were there to help.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:25
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The rampant stupidity displayed in this episode has made it one of the few times I have legitimately been disappointed in this show. Lexa Katnissing the Ice Queen was pretty great though. That fight was pretty good for the CW.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:27
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Kegslayer posted:Don't quite understand the hate for Pike. It's going to be amazing when Clarke's next genocide is her own people. Bellamy's really the only plot line bugging me. I was hoping when Pike was convincing Bells to give them weapons he'd refuse and force Pike to knock him out, but nope Bells is a dum-dum.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:51
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Yeah, the Pike stuff might have been easier to swallow if he didn't just come out of nowhere as a character nobody ever mentioned before and was all "yes, I am super important and everyone respects me." Especially bad with an anti-authority person like Bellamy.
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Feb 12, 2016 16:07
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I know it won't happen, but it would be pretty great if the 10 dudes Pike took with him to attack the grounder army were wiped out completely. Turns out they aren't so easy to ambush and numbers > guns.
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Feb 12, 2016 16:11
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This is all so forced, so contrived. I'm so disappointed. Seriously it's really really bad And just earlier in the episode they reminded me why I like this show (the spear throw) just to subsequently remind me why I frequently think it's dumb and bad (idiots deciding to attack the helpful grounders for no reason).
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hollylolly posted:I knew Pike was going to become Chancellor. Yeah I just feel so much more invested in the grounder drama and stories than everyone at Arkadia being idiots.
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hope and vaseline posted:Yeah I just feel so much more invested in the grounder drama and stories than everyone at Arkadia being idiots. Hopefully it'll just be the [preview]one surprise attack on their friends, and then Bellamy will realize he's an idiot but Pike won't relent and Wanheda will come kill Pike. Monty's mom is kind of blood thirsty, too. Farm Station should be helping Arkadia figure out their food growing situation, not leading the charge of breaking up a coalition they know nothing about. They should have all been inside Mt Weather!
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Feb 12, 2016 16:37
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I'm wondering if anyone else could've filled in the Pike role. Maybe Monty's mom would've been a better choice so we had some basic connection to them?
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Pike isn't awful, his characterization is just rushed. muscles like this? posted:Yeah, the Pike stuff might have been easier to swallow if he didn't just come out of nowhere as a character nobody ever mentioned before and was all "yes, I am super important and everyone respects me." Especially bad with an anti-authority person like Bellamy. Basically for this reason. He's been at the Ark like a week and somehow everyone in the Ark is swayed by his appeals for war? I get the farm station being on his side, and even some of the Ark looking for retribution for Mt. Weather, but enough to steal the election from Kane? One episode dedicated to Pike (hell a flashback episode with him on the Ark and on the ground would have been neat) to show how he was a respected member of the Ark Station, and how he managed on the ground would have been worth the time.
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Feb 12, 2016 16:51
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Agree that they should have given Pike more time to develop but then again he is pretty much slated for death. The Polis stuff was great though.
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Feb 12, 2016 16:55
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Feb 12, 2016 17:00
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DarkCrawler posted:Agree that they should have given Pike more time to develop but then again he is pretty much slated for death. This is true, Clarke might just execute him next episode to make a point lol.
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hollylolly posted:Farm Station should be helping Arkadia figure out their food growing situation, not leading the charge of breaking up a coalition they know nothing about. Despite not knowing a whole lot about the history of the grounder alliance, Farm Station still have a much better grasp of the situation that the Sky people currently face. Roan was one lunge away from getting all of Arkadia murdered in their sleep. The only actual "allies" the Sky people have among the grounders are a recently-unbanished Lincoln, the healer, Indra, and Lexa (and that's almost entirely down to her having a thing for Clarke). Most of the grounders want to kill them, and even as commander, Lexa didn't prove capable of keeping them safe.
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