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Pander posted:I'm guessing you mean Bernie, not HIllary, and what about his record are you not feeling? What is he missing? Oops yep, meant Bernie. Pro-choice is kind of the religious angle on women, a lot of women understand how those feelings become intense and complicated. You'll find a lot of very liberal women who still won't admit that they'd be uncomfortable having one (or flatly unwilling), and a lot of religious people who have had one or facilitated a friend. Obviously the government shouldn't be making this decision, but most women have some amount of compassion for the other side (including cases of rape, where if you thought the baby was a full human you probably wouldn't allow any exceptions). Meanwhile, maternity leave is something I have never encountered a woman against. Hillary far more consistently mentions it. There's WPS, gender equality legislation before the senate (including wage gap), there's her law record, there's her taking huge flack for her statement on how women suffer in times of war, blah blah. These things are a lot more straightforward to most women. But Bernie always whips out the pro-choice record, but I think it indicates he doesn't realize women feel they have equally big, or bigger, problems.
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Joementum posted:No, but really, why is a Democrat defending Henry Kissinger in 2016? I'm not sure why she wouldn't jump at the chance other than a general desire to not be seen as too aggro
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Proposition Joe posted:Hillary Clinton is a Republican. *Progressive
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Joementum posted:No, but really, why is a Democrat defending Henry Kissinger in 2016? Is there a reason you're not telling us?
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Proposition Joe posted:Hillary Clinton is a Republican. triangulation happened
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Yeah who the gently caress is against maternity leave in 2016? Why is this even a topic? Yes, let's just have the woman pop out the child on the office floor.
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Clinton's positions are entirely defensive. No visible campaign platform to speak of besides "vote for me because I'll be a good president." Bernie brings up the issues and she downplays their impact or downplays what can be done about those issues. Nothing to get excited about there. I'll vote for her if she is the nomination, but she's running as Obama's third term and that's not inspiring at all.
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Joementum posted:No, but really, why is a Democrat defending Henry Kissinger in 2016? She knows something we don't?
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"I listen to Kissinger, then do exactly the opposite! Ha ha!"
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Harlock posted:*Progressive A Progressive Republican! I think it was Robin Williams who said that "It's like a Volvo with a gun rack."
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Joementum posted:No, but really, why is a Democrat defending Henry Kissinger in 2016? Maybe she's the Democrat's Richard Nixon?
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uncurable mlady posted:I'm not sure why she wouldn't jump at the chance other than a general desire to not be seen as too aggro Or perhaps, and I'm just spitballin' here, she's part of some kind of political establishment that is still friendly to him.
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A Man and his dog posted:Yeah who the gently caress is against maternity leave in 2016? Why is this even a topic? Paid maternity leave. The FMLA sucks.
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Joementum posted:Or perhaps, and I'm just spitballin' here, she's part of some kind of political establishment that is still friendly to him. he knows where the secret hams are stashed. there are like fifty hams hidden in the walls of the pentagon alone.
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Joementum posted:Or perhaps, and I'm just spitballin' here, she's part of some kind of political establishment that is still friendly to him. please don't troll, here in the most troll-free forums on the internet
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I'm 100% about calling Hillary out for the Kissinger thing but I really don't want to lose that whole "Churchill" thing either.
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Joementum posted:Or perhaps, and I'm just spitballin' here, she's part of some kind of political establishment that is still friendly to him. The CFR doesn't like her
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Pick posted:he knows where the secret hams are stashed. there are like fifty hams hidden in the walls of the pentagon alone. Doesn't sound kosher.
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uncurable mlady posted:Paid maternity leave. The FMLA sucks. Even the lack of protections regarding duration of unpaid are huge problems.
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Joementum posted:Doesn't sound kosher. well that's why they're still there
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Brannock posted:God gently caress Tom Barrett and his completely limpdicked campaigns Wisconsin should run Tommy Bartlett instead! I remember when Obama went on a national tour when all that poo poo was going down and they drove right past wisconsin.
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STAC Goat posted:I'm 100% about calling Hillary out for the Kissinger thing but I really don't want to lose that whole "Churchill" thing either. 
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I posted this in irc but didn't see if someone stole it "The Mandela thing makes sense, Hillary probably feels some sort of connection to politicians who spent a lot of time in prison"
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Hillary is literally Richard Nixon, it all makes sense now
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Pick posted:Even the lack of protections regarding duration of unpaid are huge problems. Well, by statute it's super short anyway (also iirc it's cumulative within a year so gently caress you if you have a kid and something else happens that you need time for), and there's no really good way to enforce it because you'd have to sue which is probably tricky if you don't have a job any more'
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She is not a crook.
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By Bangladesh, does he mean Kissinger supported W. Pakistan in that war? Oh my god.
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Non-Americans that are on the short list of leaders respected by many Americans, that aren't too obscure: 1. Churchill 2. Gandhi 3. Mandela 4. Pope Francis maybe? 5. The Dalai Lama (lol) 6. Simon Bolivar... Maybe? Okay probably not. 7. Ancient generals from antiquity that Dad keeps watching on the History Channel I understand why Bernie went with the safe answer.
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STAC Goat posted:I'm 100% about calling Hillary out for the Kissinger thing but I really don't want to lose that whole "Churchill" thing either. Bernie had to come up with two leaders off the top of his head. The Kissinger thing has been kicking around for a bit now, she should have had a better answer.
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Echo Chamber posted:Non-Americans that are on the short list of leaders respected by many Americans, that aren't too obscure: Bernie should have said MLK for opposing the Vietnam war. It would have been perfect.
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memy posted:Bernie had to come up with two leaders off the top of his head. That should have been easy for a candidate of his longevity.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Hillary is literally Richard Nixon, it all makes sense now To be the man, you gotta beat the man. Woooo!
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uncurable mlady posted:Well, by statute it's super short anyway (also iirc it's cumulative within a year so gently caress you if you have a kid and something else happens that you need time for), and there's no really good way to enforce it because you'd have to sue which is probably tricky if you don't have a job any more' Right, I think maybe I misunderstood you. My point was that the lack of paid maternity leave is bad, but the unpaid angle is also super bad. It's bad to the core.
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Echo Chamber posted:Non-Americans that are on the short list of leaders respected by many Americans, that aren't too obscure: It's also a reach across the spectrum, like Obama loving Lincoln, and likening some of his own political acumen to Reagan (at one debate, forgot which one)
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Hillary is literally Richard Nixon, it all makes sense now AH, so she is a liberal after all.
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Nonsense posted:By Bangladesh, does he mean Kissinger supported W. Pakistan in that war? Oh my god. Yes. Henry Kissinger is directly responsible for the deaths of millions of human beings.
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