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I remember the first FNM where Odyssey was legal I built a deck based around Upheaval/Zombie Infestation because I saw someone lose to that in sealed at the pre-release. The deck was awful but I went 4-0 anyway and everyone complimented me on having such a cool original deck. I wonder if any of them remembered saying that to me a few months later when they were losing to good Tog decks
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Feb 12, 2016 19:29
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I don't think Eldrazi would be a broken deck with either of the lands banned. It would just lose its consistency. I think if either of the lands get banned it's not a deck at all anymore. It could probably survive temple being banned in some form, but if eye goes as everyone seems to assume I don't see any build surviving. That's the main reason I'd like to wait on all the ban talk-see if there is something that can come up and challenge it and/or shake up the metagame because any of the bannings just kill it dead. And it's very unlikely that anything in the future would revive the archetype.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:40
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I posted up that interview I did with Ian Duke a while back, and I was sort of able to follow up with him this past weekend when I went to cover Pro Tour Atlanta. It's a pretty surreal experience to actually be there are not competing, but I had a fun time.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:47
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Btw I wouldn't worry about the low price of UG madness if the components are reprinted (doubtful) because every list will contain Jace and that's your entire deck price right there
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Feb 12, 2016 19:49
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Zoness posted:Same but for Simoon and Undead Gladiator, the latter whose removal from the modo cube is a huge travesty. Same but for the once Best Two Drop of All Time, Wild Mongrel.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:50
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alansmithee posted:I think if either of the lands get banned it's not a deck at all anymore. It could probably survive temple being banned in some form, but if eye goes as everyone seems to assume I don't see any build surviving. All of the solutions I've seen so far (obviously it's only been a week so  ) are either comically bad, like Painter, or arguably worse for the format, like Ensnaring Bridge and Worship. The problem is I don't think there's anything in the format (outside of killing them on turn 2/3) that's capable of beating their very good draws, and their best draws kill you on turn 2 through 5 toughness worth or blockers.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:53
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PV in his article today saying that he thinks Blood Moon should be banned 
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Feb 12, 2016 20:02
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In what, Modern? Which decks are even playing it right now?
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alansmithee posted:I think if either of the lands get banned it's not a deck at all anymore. It could probably survive temple being banned in some form, but if eye goes as everyone seems to assume I don't see any build surviving. The problem is that there is almost assuredly something that could challenge the deck. The problem is that when you end up with Caw Blade and anti-Caw Blade your format sucks.
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The Shortest Path posted:In what, Modern? Which decks are even playing it right now? Everything and anything red that isn't tron, I believe.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:07
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JerryLee posted:PV in his article today saying that he thinks Blood Moon should be banned That's quite the cherry pick out of a list of cards that fall in line with the idea of banning splinter twin in an article that isn't even about bannings 
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The Shortest Path posted:In what, Modern? Which decks are even playing it right now? I shouldn't overstate what he said, he doesn't make an impassioned argument or anything, just includes it on a list of cards that would be banned if he had his druthers quote:As much as I would love for that to happen (along with a couple other bans, such as Mox Opal, Inkmoth Nexus, Simian Spirit Guide, Gitaxian Probe, Blood Moon, etc.) Zoness posted:That's quite the cherry pick out of a list of cards that is rather reasonable. Well I mean, that's why I mentioned it and not the other cards? It's a pretty big non sequitur
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Zoness posted:That's quite the cherry pick out of a list of cards that fall in line with the idea of banning splinter twin in an article that isn't even about bannings Probably because he wrote another article like 6 months ago that was also calling for a Blood Moon ban and his main problem with it boiled down to "he doesn't like playing against it" and had nothing to do with what it did to the format as a whole.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:12
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JerryLee posted:Well I mean, that's why I mentioned it and not the other cards? It's a pretty big non sequitur Blood moon fits in that list in terms of cards that he considers to make modern less interactive.
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Zoness posted:Blood moon fits in that list in terms of cards that he considers to make modern less interactive. I mean if you know they have blood moon maybe you should consider not being so greedy with your mana base, hm?
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Hey guys. I'm hosting an event in Baltimore on the 20th, so if you're on the east coast you should consider coming by! The event is a Modern 1k, with a Mox Ruby door prize. We're also randomly giving away a foil Tarmogoyf to someone who shares our event and likes our Facebook page before Thursday. You don't have to come to the event to win the goyf, either. Links: The event https://www.facebook.com/events/1688811814735245/ Our page https://www.facebook.com/MooseLootLLC If any of you guys are local, make plans to show up! I hope to see you guys there.
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JerryLee posted:PV in his article today saying that he thinks Blood Moon should be banned Paulo's on record asking for the entirety of 8th and 9th Editions to be banned from Modern (e.g. Blood Moon, Ensnaring Bridge, all of the Tron lands) as well as Lantern (which is straight up a hate-ban since removing 8th Edition would kill Lantern as a deck), Wasteland banned from Legacy and during Theros standard I remember him talking about wanting Pack Rat banned, too. Not to mention Mox Opal, Inkmoth Nexus, Simian Spirit Guide, Gitaxian Probe, Goryo's Vengeance, etc. People seem to get really upset when they realize the pros don't like the lucksack poo poo that Modern by its nature enables. Owen pretty much spelled out the actual reasoning why so many high level players don't like Modern as a competitive format, but everyone got mad because Owen can be a dick sometimes. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 20:18
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Count Bleck posted:I mean if you know they have blood moon maybe you should consider not being so greedy with your mana base, hm? Since I play affinity and storm and love doing terrible things to my opponent I don't really share PV's views but I can at least empathize with them. He wants to play as many spells that interact with as many decks as possible and that means the BGx or URx decks need to have good mana. What it basically comes down to is that modern's mass appeal comes from things that aren't as fun to a pro who favors consistency over power level in deck choice (PV's playstyle in a nutshell).
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Instead of banning Ensnaring Bridge or loving Lantern they should make all the actually opressive stax cards legal in Modern like, let's say, Winter Orb, Contamination, and Smokestack itself. I'd even settle for just the original Braids
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:Instead of banning Ensnaring Bridge or loving Lantern they should make all the actually opressive stax cards legal in Modern like, let's say, Winter Orb, Contamination, and Smokestack itself. no one would play original braids, that card is way too slow and vulnerable
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Feb 12, 2016 20:29
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Zoness posted:Blood moon fits in that list in terms of cards that he considers to make modern less interactive. I forget that we arent supposed to interact with lands
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:Instead of banning Ensnaring Bridge or loving Lantern they should make all the actually opressive stax cards legal in Modern like, let's say, Winter Orb, Contamination, and Smokestack itself. Smokestack and Braids are terrible though. Even Contamination would only be borderline playable in Modern. Stasis, on the other hand... 
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Feb 12, 2016 20:39
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I forget that we arent supposed to interact with lands The only moral interactions are my interactions
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What you guys are discounting is that Braids is insanely cool
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Elyv posted:no one would play original braids, that card is way too slow and vulnerable dies to doomblade too
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Gyshall posted:dies to doomblade too Braids is black.
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Andrast posted:Braids is black. Braids is also not black. 
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So, I haven't played competitive in a long time. I bought an Eye of Ugin for a Daretti EDH deck for $4 about a year ago. The dang thing is now worth $40 ish. Is is epected to eat a ban any time soon? Should I dump it now, or will it continue to increase in price?
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Zoness posted:Since I play affinity and storm and love doing terrible things to my opponent I don't really share PV's views but I can at least empathize with them. He wants to play as many spells that interact with as many decks as possible and that means the BGx or URx decks need to have good mana. What it basically comes down to is that modern's mass appeal comes from things that aren't as fun to a pro who favors consistency over power level in deck choice (PV's playstyle in a nutshell). I mean pretty much the whole problem is that you don't have to choose consistency over power level in any practically meaningful way anymore, unless you define power level solely as winning on turn 4 or earlier, but that means that cards like lotv, decay, goyf etc. aren't "powerful" which seems pretty silly.
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I think I would be for cutting the old core sets out of modern. There are a few cards from the sets that are from a previous era that really warp modern play. Weird, really specific hate cards like choke, blood moon, bridge, and even fringe playables like worship that will be seeing a lot of play soon in modern as well.
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Shadow225 posted:So, I haven't played competitive in a long time. I bought an Eye of Ugin for a Daretti EDH deck for $4 about a year ago. The dang thing is now worth $40 ish. Is is epected to eat a ban any time soon? Should I dump it now, or will it continue to increase in price? It's either getting banned or the deck will get shut down hard by metagame answers. Sell now, don't ever look back. JerryLee posted:I mean pretty much the whole problem is that you don't have to choose consistency over power level in any practically meaningful way anymore, unless you define power level solely as winning on turn 4 or earlier, but that means that cards like lotv, decay, goyf etc. aren't "powerful" which seems pretty silly. There were zero of any of those "powerful" cards in the Pro Tour top 8.
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Someone tell me if the game day playmat is actually good.
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Ancestral Vision being banned is pretty much comical at this point. Sickening posted:Someone tell me if the game day playmat is actually good. It's the Zendikar Resurgent art with goofy Chandra face. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 20:58
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Angry Grimace posted:Ancestral Vision being banned is pretty much comical at this point. Speaking of why has that card spiked to almost double what it was about a month ago?
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Cernunnos posted:Speaking of why has that card spiked to almost double what it was about a month ago? Because Aaron Forsythe referenced it as a card that would be looked at for an unban.
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Cernunnos posted:Speaking of why has that card spiked to almost double what it was about a month ago? It should still be banned.
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Cernunnos posted:Speaking of why has that card spiked to almost double what it was about a month ago? Because people bought in thinking it might get unbanned, and @mtgaaron tweeted that with splinter twin gone cards like it could possibly come back, so people are holding.
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Sigma-X posted:Because people bought in thinking it might get unbanned, and @mtgaaron tweeted that with splinter twin gone cards like it could possibly come back, so people are holding. Maybe it'll be legal to play in some states.
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mcmagic posted:It should still be banned. There's no legitimate reason that Ancestral Vision is banned given that the game is probably decided by the time it resolves and its one of the most miserable topdecks in Magic.
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