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Tae posted:Do you get any XP for: Guessing no on allies but you definitely do for zombies. So yeah, farm that extra kill if you know you can take out the sectoid next turn anyway (or if he's the last alien left).
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Bolow posted:Melee in general becomes a whole lot less useful by the time you're rolling with Plated Armor/Mag Weapons/EXO Suits. Bladestorm triggers post attack so it doesn't prevent melee damage and is mostly a shittier version of return fire that will only kill the most severely weakened enemies by end game. ADVENT guys coming up with stun lancers? Bladestorm. Berserkers? Bladestorm. Chrysallids? Bladestorm. Archons who've been put into Battle Fury? Bladestorm. Faceless? Bladestorm. Andromedons with a dead pilot? Bladestorm. Throwing down a Mimic Beacon in the middle of my squad so everyone blunders right into being flanked? Bladestorm on every dumb motherfucker to run by. It's not a one-hit kill, no, but it doesn't need to be. If anyone who's even half-dead tries to pull melee poo poo on your Ranger, you have overwhelming odds that they'll be all the way dead before they can actually make the swing. Taking away the aliens' melee game is extremely valuable. Extra attacks are valuable. Bladestorm is underrated.
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I wonder if it's possible to mod in a kind of graphical effect for all the tiles your soldiers have already walked through, so as to let you know where is safe to go? It's annoying having to worry about triggering extra packs and thinking 'if I send a guy there, will my vision radius extend further than it already has?' for every movement you try to make. Punishing aggressive play is pretty silly and makes cover-destroying grenades excessively valuable compared to other choices, but I can't really think of any proper solution.
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Also, scared to actually try it, but does the Cover ability of the WAR suit basically make the character invisible to the enemy?
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Feb 12, 2016 22:51
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Tae posted:Also, scared to actually try it, but does the Cover ability of the WAR suit basically make the character invisible to the enemy? No. They are still targettable, so putting them in some form of cover before activating that is your best option.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:55
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Brainamp posted:No. They are still targettable, so putting them in some form of cover before activating that is your best option.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:58
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CapnAndy posted:What's the dang point of that ability, then? If there's cover there, you don't need to make cover there. The point is that high cover is not always available, which is what the ability gives. Better than when it was a Mec ability, since those beefy fucks couldn't actually get in cover, unlike those using the war suit.
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Feb 12, 2016 23:04
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CapnAndy posted:First off, you're dead wrong -- Bladestorm triggers pre-attack. Apart from that, I have Warden/War suits and plasma weapons and I still find constant uses for Bladestorm, so I don't know what to tell you. Even if swords are underwhelming; bladestorm is a good skill. Its just its against implacable which is insanely useful. Use whatever fits your play style. Bladestorm takes more setup and risk to work but it can do a buttload of damage and/or save your butt in the right situations. Brainamp posted:The point is that high cover is not always available, which is what the ability gives. Better than when it was a Mec ability, since those beefy fucks couldn't actually get in cover, unlike those using the war suit. It ends the turn and sux. Sure it gives you an extra high cover to use, but you have to put the user in high cover or he will get burned down. Then it just opens you up to aoe.
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Feb 12, 2016 23:05
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Now if it spawned high cover for a turn, that'd be amazing.
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Feb 12, 2016 23:10
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I didn't even know there were blaster bombs in this game.Mr.Pibbleton posted:I thought it was pretty weird on the final mission when I found the human terranium it was pretty hypocritical of theme to outlaw pets. A couple of up close screen shots http://imgur.com/a/srZNH I didn't notice the crayon drawing when I was playing. That's...troubling. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Away all Goats posted:I just realized mimic beacons can utilize cover And enemies will happily throw their fire away on the beacon even though there's a guy out of cover right next to them. Spamming Mimic Beacons is my key to Legendary success. Except for Faceless. gently caress those fuckers.
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Can't believe no one else has mentioned the other (in my opinion) super good customization mod besides CapnBubs' in the workshop yet. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=616824432 Some sillier stuff, but if you can't enjoy your Psi Trooper running around with a cardboard sectoid face then I don't even know. Kooriken fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Antti posted:And enemies will happily throw their fire away on the beacon even though there's a guy out of cover right next to them. Spamming Mimic Beacons is my key to Legendary success. I've never used a beacon (or really gotten far enough to make more than one) so I'd wondered why they were so overpowered. Didn't realize they had built-in taunt.
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I dunno, that one was just a bit too silly for me, to be honest.
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After being crushed on legendary mode at least five times, I finally got past the second month without some sort of disaster scenario occurring. I finally did the alien black site expecting that there'd be the usual number of aliens, maybe an extra spawn. But no, there were 26 aliens, including multiple MECs, snek tits and stun lancers. I had shotguns and frag grenades.  My squad evaccing:  I did "good". What more do you want from me, game? 
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What I really, really want is for someone to model an articulated Kool-Aid Man to put in place of the Andromedon, complete with "Oh Yeah!" sound effects. This needs to happen so bad it isn't even remotely funny. Final fight tips for those who are still having trouble: The reinforcements are constant and endless. Burn down the three avatars as quickly as possible or you will eventually find yourself overwhelmed. Either keep your troops together and use mind controlled units to spread the map, or work with two fireteams of 3 that support each other as necessary. If the avatar teleports too far away after a hit, it can absolutely be worth suicide running someone into a position to dink them and get them back into range for heavier hits. If you can mind control units, space them out where your troops aren't so they distract reinforcements and you have something to ding him and TP him back. If you're far enough back in the mission, you can mind control or dominate the gatekeeper right before that section, damage or kill the 4 stunlancers that come after him, then gatekeeper gizz bomb them for zombie bros.
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All my men are Duke Nukem and all my women are Sandra Bullock. I'm doing this right even if I'm sort of promoting a weird master race if we win.
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My new psi operative got Dominate at rank 2. Um. Hmm. 
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I've been thinking about concealment versus the mission timers, and how the game put in a stealth element but doesn't really reward you for using it. I have ideas about what I'd like to see it changed to, but I don't think it's moddable; this seems like expansion pack or XCOM 3 goals. First off, I don't like the timers counting down when you're in concealment. Those two game elements are in direct opposition -- sneak around, be careful, set up your dudes for a proper ambush, oh and by the way if you do those things you're gonna fail the mission because you don't have time to waste, just run into the first pod you can find and start the firefights so you can dash to the objective. Second, I don't like that your "reward" for a good ambush is relatively paltry -- a single pod with most of the enemies wounded and maybe some killed before they can ever take an action, and then the rest of the mission plays out like it would have if you were never concealed. I'd make two changes. First, I'd give every alien a Spotted! ability that doesn't cost an action, starts the turn timer, and breaks your concealment. Second, I'd give every alien a Call For Help ability that takes an action but ends their turn (like firing a weapon), and if that alien is alive at the start of the next Alien Activity phase, they activate the nearest pod (or, if no pods are unactivated, calls in reinforcements). The first ability is pretty self-evident, I think. If you can put together a perfect ambush and kill the entire pod before they get a chance to react, your reward is that the timer stays off and you get to ambush the next pod too. And yes, you could concievably chain-ambush your way through entire missions without ever worrying about the timer or taking any fire at all, and that is a good reward for being a bunch of sneaky, murderous guerilla motherfuckers who never gave the aliens a chance. The second one, on the other hand, amps up the threat against you. If an alien decides they don't like their odds, they can run off into cover and get help -- but you've got one turn to kill them. Now if you're not killing everyone fast enough, there's a chance that they're going to make the fight much harder, so kill the motherfuckers quickly, because you are up against overwhelming odds and your only chance to survive is to hit hard, hit fast, and fade away before they react. Also, if they pop the ability, it makes you make tough tactical choices on your next turn because now you've got to prioritize killing that guy. Anyway, that's my idea, I'm curious if anyone else likes it at all.
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Quick question: I made some custom characters and edited my .ini file with the eCPSM_PoolOnly option. Everything works fine and dandy. Now, I wish to add more custom dudes to my already started game. If I add more characters now, should they appear as recruits once the recruit list refreshes?
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When I was leveling up psi operatives I though "oh you have to choose between their psi skills and can't have them all at once. That's neat". Then I realized lol no if you train long enough you get literally everything because they didn't even try to balance psi beyond a one domination limit.
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Internet Kraken posted:When I was leveling up psi operatives I though "oh you have to choose between their psi skills and can't have them all at once. That's neat". YOU SHUT UP
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CapnAndy posted:I've been thinking about concealment versus the mission timers, and how the game put in a stealth element but doesn't really reward you for using it. Concealment isn't supposed to promote stealth, it's a gameplay mechanic intended (along with the mission timers) to stop people from overwatch creeping through a map
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CapnAndy posted:I've been thinking about concealment versus the mission timers, and how the game put in a stealth element but doesn't really reward you for using it. I have ideas about what I'd like to see it changed to, but I don't think it's moddable; this seems like expansion pack or XCOM 3 goals. That literally promotes the opposite of what concealment is intended to do. Its supposed to make it safer to walk into the fog so people don't overwatch creep and take two hours to get through a routine mission. It and the timer are supposed to add tempo where you must move forward at all times, but you aren't penalized like you were on EU bomb missions because enemies start off less aware of you so you can still control how the first engagement goes down. Your changes seem like they would just promote the regressive strategies of creeping and dragging everything out even harder.
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I'd like a better mix of sneakin' and creepin', careful killin' and TEMPO TEMPO MOTHERFUCKER YOU ONLY HAVE TWO SECONDS TO DO THIS MISSION gently caress! FUUUUCCK!!!
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In short, slow agonizing overplanned, overthought overwatch creep is bad, get in, get poo poo done, get out is good. I'm with the people who say "if the timers are legit giving you constant trouble, the game is telling you to turn down the difficulty"
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You can already use a mod that doesn't start timers until conceal breaks and it is amazing and fun. You don't need to overwatch creep, you just get freedom to explore your options.
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kater posted:You can already use a mod that doesn't start timers until conceal breaks and it is amazing and fun. You don't need to overwatch creep, you just get freedom to explore your options. I use that mod. It's a perfect compromise IMO. Gives you some leeway in how you approach a mission, but doesn't snap the difficulty over its knee.
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Those stupid loving extraction missions can be a pain in the rear end because the timer, extract position and the location of the VIP are randomized therefore incentivizing less 'git good' and more 'reload to geoscape and hope you don't get hosed this time' which is a lot of what  is in the end.
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Even though the game would benefit from a fair amount of rebalancing, timers are the most balanced part of the game in my opinion.
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I just added +1 turn to every mission in the config. I ended up not really needing it and turned it off a half dozen missions in, but since it's paced for X turns, adding an additional one is just enough to take away the rushed feeling if that's a boner deflater to you
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The Will stat is actually meaningless for offensive PSI yeah? Just the NOT OMNITOOL that matters?
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Motherfucker posted:Those stupid loving extraction missions can be a pain in the rear end because the timer, extract position and the location of the VIP are randomized therefore incentivizing less 'git good' and more 'reload to geoscape and hope you don't get hosed this time' which is a lot of what About 3/4 through my 2nd campaign and I've NEVER had a VIP extract mission that wasn't possible. Some have looked very daunting but I play vanilla commander/ironman so I had to suck it up and they proved very doable. Like I start one corner, VIP is opposite corner, and extract in a third corner yet I still managed to make it with a turn to spare. Dongattack posted:The Will stat is actually meaningless for offensive PSI yeah? Just the NOT OMNITOOL that matters? They also get psi stat on level up which makes a huge difference. I'm also pretty sure its one of the only random stat-ups in the game.
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Eraflure posted:Even though the game would benefit from a fair amount of rebalancing, timers are the most balanced part of the game in my opinion. Yeah the timers are perfectly fine (excepting, i suppose, the anecdotes of people getting maps that are impossible to complete; it hasn't happened to me once in two campaigns but that's only 70 or so missions) and making them only count when you break concealment is total overkill If you feel the need for more leeway in the missions you don't actually want a mod, you want to spend the supply on the GTS ability Lightning Strike, which comes close to giving you an entire extra turn's worth of movement. I've never seen a map where I needed it, but the extra buffer ended up more than paying for itself in increased flexibility in approaching timed missions.
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Kin33 posted:About 3/4 through my 2nd campaign and I've NEVER had a VIP extract mission that wasn't possible. Some have looked very daunting but I play vanilla commander/ironman so I had to suck it up and they proved very doable. Like I start one corner, VIP is opposite corner, and extract in a third corner yet I still managed to make it with a turn to spare. Well whaddya know, when you have mad good equipment and an understanding of the games mechanics things are easier?? I'm not saying I have problems with extraction missions now that all my dudes are wearing motorbikes for armor and have beamguns, but that's unrelated to the level of hosed you get.
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I ended up playing around in the config files, adding a default bleedout chance of 25 instead of 0 (why), making basic hair triggers and repeaters slightly less lovely, and slowing the doom intervals on the main fortress thing slightly so flubbing more than one mission isn't quite so fatal to your progression on legend. This definitely makes the game easier, and we can't have that. Suggestions on loving my poo poo up
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Oh my god Mimic Beacons are soo good. I'm was used to the behavior of them for EW but they really are game changers. That and advanced ammo. Next game I have to research the Proving Ground early.
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EvilSlug posted:Final fight tips for those who are still having trouble: That's pretty funny because you can also go back and grab the dudes at the start of the mission too. It's cheesing it like hell, but i'm doing it on my legendary run.
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