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bloodychill posted:Wasn't SAO's original translation basically machine-done with a little editing here and there? It seems like anything could be an improvement to that.
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Stanos posted:working designs if you hate punched up translations Well, there's a few different levels of WD jobs. Some stuff is just fine (Popful Mail, the SCD Lunar 1 mostly had the pop culture jokes reigned in to NPCs that weren't saying anything much anyway, Arc the Lad), but a lot of the time they just went of the deep end and that's not really good for anyone.
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Feb 15, 2016 07:14
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bloodychill posted:Wasn't SAO's original translation basically machine-done with a little editing here and there? It seems like anything could be an improvement to that. 
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Feb 15, 2016 08:33
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kirbysuperstar posted:Popful Mail That one has problems elsewhere
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Feb 15, 2016 08:40
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whenever i try to play popful mail, i always feel like the voice acting is just an inch away from being legitimately funny and charming, but the directing just isn't there so it all feels kinda awkward it was either that or the text they were reading off of just didn't make it work
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Feb 15, 2016 08:44
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Hivac posted:That one has problems elsewhere Yeah, outside of WD's difficulty fuckery. PM was bad, ExileWP was almost actually unbeatable and Silhouette Mirage got a lot of it too. I liked their excuse of "Well we didn't have a lot of time to test the changes..". How about just don't do that then.
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didn't they make really terrible difficulty changes to lunar 2 on the sega cd, too why the gently caress did they do that
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Isn't the guy that ran that and also Gaijinworks a super arrogant piece of poo poo or something
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Feb 15, 2016 09:25
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They subscribed to the popular idea at the time that people in the west preferred their games harder than the Japanese did and so altered them in the stupidest way possible. It wasn't just Working Designs, quite a few companies did the same thing, Capcom was especially bad at one point in the PS2 lifetime for changing difficulty settings in dumb ways.
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Feb 15, 2016 09:30
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The Colonel posted:didn't they make really terrible difficulty changes to lunar 2 on the sega cd, too You spent Magic EXP to save, but it wasn't as bad as it sounded really. Still stupid, don't get me wrong, but..
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kirbysuperstar posted:Well, there's a few different levels of WD jobs. Some stuff is just fine (Popful Mail, the SCD Lunar 1 mostly had the pop culture jokes reigned in to NPCs that weren't saying anything much anyway, Arc the Lad), but a lot of the time they just went of the deep end and that's not really good for anyone. Vanguard Bandits and Growlanser were fairly tame, too. The only pop culture reference I even remember from Growlanser Generations was an NPC taking a shot at you and your huge sword calling you Cloud. Hivac posted:Isn't the guy that ran that and also Gaijinworks a super arrogant piece of poo poo or something iirc Victor Ireland is just a difficult person to work with and makes poor major business decisions. Gaijinworks isn't a company in the past tense yet, though, as far as I'm aware. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Feb 15, 2016 |
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bloodychill posted:More cyberpunk is always welcome! This looks kinda neat. It's really good, like a 2D, SNES-era Deus Ex. Bunch of bugs at launch in PC but those are fixed now, so hopefully the Vita version is free of them and runs well.
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Summon Night 5 had reaaally clunky dialogue too. EDIT: Oh that interview mentions Ignition's fuckups and rewrites... Yeah after playing both the original Muramasa and the Vita port I can see why they stopped getting work. On the other hand, no more gems like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk024-oaFv4 EDIT2: Weird, apparently both these games were originally be handled by XSEED before they changed publishers. Wonder what happened? HGH fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Feb 15, 2016 |
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HGH posted:EDIT: Oh that interview mentions Ignition's fuckups and rewrites... Yeah after playing both the original Muramasa and the Vita port I can see why they stopped getting work. I loved how different the translations between Lux Pain's VA and text was, because one was rewritten to be in Chicago while the other was still in Tokyo or something. Good poo poo.
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The White Dragon posted:Gaijinworks isn't a company in the past tense yet, though, as far as I'm aware. They're trying their best to rectify that. (Class of Heroes 3 out soon for the PSP in the year 20-loving-16, when everyone who gives a drat about lovely Wizardry clones has moved to the Vita! Oh by the way Class of Heroes 2 is still in an unplayable-rear end state unless you download this doc file from our website!)
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HGH posted:On the other hand, no more gems like this
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Mithaldu posted:Have you played the neptunia games? People complaining about the localization there complained not because it wasn't 1:1, but because they did, figuratively, stuff like: The characters in Neptunia are made way more interesting by their localization, and the dubs for the characters are high-quality. Play the game in English, or import it English-free.
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that's a subjective opinion tho and idk i really dislike the 'you cant criticize translation ever' school of thought
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It seems like the simplest solution is to just not play Neptunia
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Feb 15, 2016 14:10
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neptunia v onwards, are better games than persona 4
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Endorph posted:that's a subjective opinion tho and idk i really dislike the 'you cant criticize translation ever' school of thought Translation can very much be criticized when it actively detracts from the material in a misleading way; Neptunia is a very special case in all of this. Neptune says memes. She has done so in every language. Re;Birth 2's retranslation removed them to make it "more accurate to the original" and, as a result, made it less accurate to the original. But people wanted this, because they don't like memes. Or hate personality. Or something. So what do you do? Who do you appeal to? You can't appease everyone, but if you don't appease the dumb SUB > DUB otaku, you risk alienating a core part of the fanbase. What do you do?
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I think it's less the memes and moreMithaldu posted:"Hi." => "Howdy pardna! How're ya on this fine day here?!"
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Endorph posted:neptunia v onwards, are better games than persona 4 I think if you want anyone to take the bait, you're going to have to pick a newer game maybe see if Cold Steel does the trick
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Feb 15, 2016 14:27
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ask snoop dogg
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Really Pants posted:I think if you want anyone to take the bait, you're going to have to pick a newer game
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Feb 15, 2016 14:28
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Hivac posted:I think it's less the memes and more It's not. Go read discussion boards about Neptunia. It is most often *specifically* meme usage. It's actually a point of contention with the RB2 retranslation.
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Takoluka posted:IGo read discussion boards about Neptunia.
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Okay yeah that's stupid to get upset about I only get weird japanese 2ch memes because i'm a total shut-in that almost never goes outside. That should tell you about the people that are getting upset about it
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Endorph posted:i dont think i want to 
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Endorph posted:that's a subjective opinion tho and idk i really dislike the 'you cant criticize translation ever' school of thought The English release of The Grandmaster has a completely different script than what actually happens in that movie and it's really hosed up.
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In Training posted:The English release of The Grandmaster has a completely different script than what actually happens in that movie and it's really hosed up.
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do people in universe respect nep nep?
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voltcatfish posted:do people in universe respect nep nep? Her people respect her, because in the grand scheme, she gets stuff done. She also knows how to have fun, and people like that. The other CPUs sometimes envy her aloofness, but in the end, everyone likes everybody.
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Really Pants posted:I think if you want anyone to take the bait, you're going to have to pick a newer game at that point it's not even baiting, it's just true
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u cant post that and not this follow up on the next page: quote:If I can be blunt, thank you for being honest. Of all the built problems in the miscommunication between companies, developers, localizers, and fans, I hold and stand by the biggest problem of all is this push to not be honest. I understand very, very well that lawsuit language and advantage temperament is something that gets in the way (the HQ Titles, as you coined, being used as leverage against even the slightest amount of dissent). But even then, there is a pressing demand to obfuscate the truth in the simplest of problems or questions. Particularly on a field like social media—I can easily state the one time a PR manager was honest with the customer base, the remaining PR and even media branches threw a damned fit.
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bloodychill posted:More cyberpunk is always welcome! This looks kinda neat. Yeah I'm interested to see how it ends up working on the Nep console. More DOA X3 things showcasing Momoji and her fighting abilities.  Hitman GO launches on February 23rd. Digimon World Next Order gets a new mon next mon-th. Are we supposed to get this one too? Attack on Titans gets a new video showcasing new titans that get attacked or do the attacking I'm not sure anymore.
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Schrodingers cat posted:More DOA X3 things showcasing Momoji and her fighting abilities. I can't wait to see all the complaints about that "game" when the first time importers start getting it. It's just watching the girls with an occasional minigame to build their friendship. Some people actually think it's a fighting game.
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I feel like anyone importing DoAX3 knows exactly what they're getting
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Help Im Alive posted:I feel like anyone importing DoAX3 knows exactly what they're getting  Haha! I'm pretty sure if you're going to PlayAsia and pay like 100$ Canadian for a game, you know what you're getting...
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Dehry posted:Some people actually think it's a fighting game.
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