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SuperMechagodzilla posted:What's interesting is that, when you assumed you were being challenged about special effects, you immediately switched the topic characterization - which has pretty much nothing to do with the quality of the special effects. Then you started describing the plot of the film. This first started with you, at the very least, heavily implying that the prequels made good use of CGI and limited practical sets. I disagree. However, let's just say we both agree that the PT had a combination of amazingly immersive CGI and practical effects that visually fit each scene perfectly. The point is that it's very difficult to just take a visual effect, such as a piece CGI in the case of the prequels, and treat it as though it exists in a vacuum. The effect exists to serve the scene, to serve whatever plot or character development that's occurring. If the audience doesn't find that plot or character interesting and can't invest their emotions in what is going on then the special effect, as good as it might be, falls flat. That's why I started describing the plot of the film, or rather that one scene. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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Jan 5, 2016 09:44
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When he posts images without any context or comment don't loving reply to him or attempt to analyze what he's posted it's god damned bait.
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Jan 5, 2016 09:46
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NecroMonster posted:When he posts images without any context or comment don't loving reply to him or attempt to analyze what he's posted it's god damned bait. Star Wars just brings out the inner sperg in me and I couldn't help it. I need to go to sleep anyhow.
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Jan 5, 2016 09:48
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
I much prefer the energy of The Force Awakens, than the static locked down look of the PT. Although, I really liked the way Empire looks, despite being quite locked down. It's got some fantastic mood lighting.
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PostNouveau posted:Y'all think Snoke will be real dude or CGI when he shows up for real? I read somewhere that the filmmakers said he's about 7 feet tall, so real dude is possible. I'm rather hoping that Snoke will be literally as large as his hologram when we finally see him in the flesh, just because.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This first started with you, at the very least, heavily implying that the prequels made good use of CGI and limited practical sets. I disagree. However, let's just say we both agree that the PT had a combination of amazingly immersive CGI and practical effects that visually fit each scene perfectly. The point is that it's very difficult to just take a visual effect, such as a piece CGI in the case of the prequels, and treat it as though it exists in a vacuum. The effect exists to serve the scene, to serve whatever plot or character development that's occurring. If the audience doesn't find that plot or character interesting and can't invest their emotions in what is going on then the special effect, as good as it might be, falls flat. That's why I started describing the plot of the film, or rather that one scene. So... you don't actually care about CGI, because you watch Star Wars for the plot.
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Jan 5, 2016 09:53
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm rather hoping that Snoke will be literally as large as his hologram when we finally see him in the flesh, just because. Incoming 20ft lightsaber
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Jan 5, 2016 10:08
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starkebn posted:Grevious from Clone Wars (2003) was awesome and scary, watch from 1:03:14 Darth Maul should of been the main antagonist for the entire prequels. Stupid 'villain of the month' storytelling may of been in line with the Flash Gordon Star Wars inspiration but it sucks is telling an arching story spanning 3 movies. Build the dude up as being really loving strong and powerful and have Anakin/Darth Vaders triumph over him seal his fate in his fall. Dooku was an interesting character but totally underutilized and Grevious was an interesting toy design, nothing more.
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Jan 5, 2016 10:31
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:TPM is actually the best prequel because it at least had some effort put into it, misguided as it was. I've never seen an entire production phoned it in quite like AoTC. I randomly ended up there to, and yeesh. Apparently Finn is Jar Jar Binks and did nothing. This is what I learned.
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Maul isn't a strong enough character to carry an entire trilogy. I would have rather seen Dooku running things. He's in the shadows in I, reveals himself in II, and finally dies in III more or less the same way. The revelation at the end of II that Dooku was really working for Sidious the entire time highlights the blindness of the Jedi, as their attachment to the Rule of Two prevented them possibly entertaining the notion that Palpatine was behind it all. Maul and Obi-wan are complete non-characters in TPM. Maul is a silent enforcer out for revenge against the Jedi. Obi-wan is a boring, racist rear end in a top hat with no empathy or connection to the living Force. Jar Jar is a "thing" and he worries that they've brought another "pathetic life form" on board. He refers to Maul as an "it" when it was clearly some guy.
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KaptainKrunk posted:Maul isn't a strong enough character to carry an entire trilogy. I would have rather seen Dooku running things. He's in the shadows in I, reveals himself in II, and finally dies in III more or less the same way. The revelation at the end of II that Dooku was really working for Sidious the entire time highlights the blindness of the Jedi, as their attachment to the Rule of Two prevented them possibly entertaining the notion that Palpatine was behind it all. That (like all the other prequel trilogy failings) is entirely on Luca's poo poo writing and storytelling. Maul was much like ANH Darth Vader in that the second you saw him you knew he was an ultimate bad rear end bad guy. A non poo poo writer could of taken a visually interesting character they designed and gave him interesting things to say and do and given him a fun arc through the 3 movies. There is lots of interesting stuff that people came up with for the prequels, too bad its all buried under the atrocious writing. How much more interesting would it of been instead of Anakin going all Adam Lanza on the Jedi toddler trainees Maul gleefully slaughters them in front of Anakin, causing him to FLIP the gently caress out making him dive deep into the dark side powers he's been flirting with all along (with Palpatines encouragement). Because Maul is so strong and powerful Anakin needs every ounce of rage to fuel him. Just like when Luke starts to wail on Vader in RotJ but Luke then realizes he's losing himself and pulls back, except Anakin doesn't pull back. He lets go fully and begins to force lightning or some poo poo Maul, revealing himself to be stronger then Maul, and destroying him. That's the moment where Anakin fully embraces and feels the power of the dark side, realizes how strong it makes him, and he gleefully relishes in it. That's way better then Mace Windu getting throw out a window or whatever the gently caress it was and its like poetry, it rhymes with the Luke/Vader fight in RotJ where Luke faces the same decision to destroy the emperors lackey and take his place.
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Darth Maul getting set-up to be a bad-rear end then getting clowned on in the same film he's introduced sort of rhymes with General Grievous not even really challenging Obi-Wan in ROTS despite his supposed reputation to as a ~Jedi Hunter~
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I don't know if Obi-wan being kind of a useless poo poo head is bad writing per se. It drives home a certain point, doesn't it? He's the product of Jedi training. He's the star pupil of the Jedi Order and more than capable of passing the "Jedi trials" whatever those are. Yet he has no regard for life forms he considers inferior, so it's odd that he is tasked with training Anakin. The opening of Clones tells us all we need to know about Obi-wan's training and the Jedi Order: it's turned a sweet, innocent kid who cares about his friends and wants to do the right things into kind of an rear end in a top hat.
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I didn't mind Maul being beaten in one film. It reinforces the idea that the Sith were kind of a ramshackle, broken-down institution limping along on its last legs during the height of the Republic and the Jedi Order's militant vigilance. Maul was simply a minion, just one of many that the Jedi have defeated through the eons. His failure forced Sidious to step up his game, and makes Vader's success a bit more remarkable.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Darth Maul getting set-up to be a bad-rear end then getting clowned on in the same film he's introduced sort of rhymes with General Grievous not even really challenging Obi-Wan in ROTS despite his supposed reputation to as a ~Jedi Hunter~ Actually the 2003 clone ears series addresses this really well. There's a scene where Dooku is training Grievous. Grievous gets cocky and loses a mechanical arm. Dooku tells Grievous that he needs to have three things on his side to ensure victory against the best of the Jedi: fear, surprise and intimidation. If he is lacking even one of them, he should retreat. Obiwan clowns Grievous because Grievous gets cocky again and engages Obiwan in a regular one-on-one duel. And obiwan is one of the best fighters in the Jedi order, so...
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Bigger Luke is one thing but why is Vader so much taller than Obi Wan where in the prequels Obi wan and Anakin are about the same height?
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Bigger Luke is one thing but why is Vader so much taller than Obi Wan where in the prequels Obi wan and Anakin are about the same height? Vader later went on (d)roids.
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I guess we don't need two Star Wars threads for SMG to poo poo up with his gimmick.
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Unlocking this because I'm sure VIII set photos and whatnot will happen soon now that it's started shooting. Go nuts.
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HUGE spoiler from the blu-rey edition
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:HUGE spoiler from the blu-rey edition James Cameron is directing this one?
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:HUGE spoiler from the blu-rey edition  I know Harrison Ford had previously been announced as being in EP VIII before TFA actually landed. Is that still the case? I'd always assumed that it was a red herring to help combat death rumors, but I'm not ruling out flashback, force ghost, whispered voices or that he simply got better at this point.
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Mortanis posted:
Oh man, now that you say this I really hope there's some flashbacks of Kylo Ren's childhood or his turn to the dark side that flesh out both him and Luke while also giving Harrison Ford some screentime.
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Feb 15, 2016 19:25
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Are we gonna see some mid-90s Flashback Ford de-aging ala Michael Douglas in Ant-Man?
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Mortanis posted:
They said both Von Sydow and Ford would be back in Episode VIII. I really think that was just posturing.
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Steve2911 posted:Oh man, now that you say this I really hope there's some flashbacks of Kylo Ren's childhood or his turn to the dark side that flesh out both him and Luke while also giving Harrison Ford some screentime. I don't know how much flashbacks work for Star Wars. I can't think of any in the OT or PT. Unless it's a force vision like Rey had in VII
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So is Laura Dern going to be Mrs. Luke Skywalker?
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chippocrates posted:I don't know how much flashbacks work for Star Wars. I can't think of any in the OT or PT. Unless it's a force vision like Rey had in VII Star Wars is pretty strictly chronological except for force visions. And even then, those are usually visions of the future rather than the past. Granted, I don't know where "Obi-Wan's exposition speeches" fit in there.
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Toilet Mouth posted:So is Laura Dern going to be Mrs. Luke Skywalker? Or Rey's mom, who I'm still hoping isn't involved with the Skywalker clan in any serious way.
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chippocrates posted:I don't know how much flashbacks work for Star Wars. I can't think of any in the OT or PT. Unless it's a force vision like Rey had in VII computer parts posted:Star Wars is pretty strictly chronological except for force visions. And even then, those are usually visions of the future rather than the past. I am ok with the new Star Wars doing stuff that wasn't in the old Star Wars.
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PostNouveau posted:Y'all think Snoke will be real dude or CGI when he shows up for real? I read somewhere that the filmmakers said he's about 7 feet tall, so real dude is possible. I'm hoping the hologram is 1:1 and Snoke actually is like 30 feet tall. Realistically though I do hope they use a real actor, I still think he's going to turn out to be a Sith force ghost rather than a physically living character. KaptainKrunk posted:I like Jar Jar, but I think he overwhelms TPM. Obi-wan really does jack poo poo the entire movie. An odd choice, given how Binks fades away into obscurity and Obi-wan becomes the protagonist. TPM as a whole just feels very disconnected from what comes after, narratively and aesthetically. I was thinking about this and it may have been because of the scope of the clone wars. Before the prequels and the CG cartoon came out I do remember Lucas mentioning at some point that the clone wars itself would be huge. It makes me wonder if at some point he wanted to do more than a trilogy of prequel films, but after some reaction to Phantom Menace they jumped ahead ten years (was AotC the movie where the script was a single draft written by him on the way to the studio or whatever? I forget which one had the hyper rushed script).
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If Harrison is in Episode 8 its because they already filmed his scenes for it. No way they're able to even forcefully drag him back onto a Star Wars set.
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Steve2911 posted:I am ok with the new Star Wars doing stuff that wasn't in the old Star Wars. Yeah, to hell with coherent themes and interesting characters.
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It's going to be like any of the scenes in Highlander where Sean Connery's back is the camera or Christopher Lee in the Hobbit movies where it will be a double with Harrison Ford literally phoning it in over the phone.
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wyoming posted:Yeah, to hell with coherent themes and interesting characters. Coherent themes and interesting characters, a rare phenomenon of the art of cinema only witnessed to date in
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