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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:My favorite part of Blood-Dimmed Tides is a thing mentioned in the interview as an idea got dropped in drafting because it was too owod for owod: the idea that Gangrel (or possibly vampires in general) eventually feel the lure of the abyssal/lightless zone of the ocean, to swim breathlessly in eternal darkness. This is seriously amazing and I'm sad it's not a thing.
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Loomer posted:* An underwater research station being slowly taken over by malevolent servants of forces beyond our world and gradually wearing a hole in the fabric of reality itself.  thing ever and if you don't like it you have Wrong Opinions.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:My favorite part of Blood-Dimmed Tides is a thing mentioned in the interview as an idea got dropped in drafting because it was too owod for owod: the idea that Gangrel (or possibly vampires in general) eventually feel the lure of the abyssal/lightless zone of the ocean, to swim breathlessly in eternal darkness. That's straight badass and there ought to be a horror movie about it.
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Pope Guilty posted:That's straight badass and there ought to be a horror movie about it. The theme song's already been written. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDggqnnNuDo Kavak fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 17:35
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Kavak posted:The theme song's already been written. Nah, surely it's... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whxehyRH8Ec
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Pope Guilty posted:Nah, surely it's... That was my first choice- one should be the credits theme and the other the opening.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:My favorite part of Blood-Dimmed Tides is a thing mentioned in the interview as an idea got dropped in drafting because it was too owod for owod: the idea that Gangrel (or possibly vampires in general) eventually feel the lure of the abyssal/lightless zone of the ocean, to swim breathlessly in eternal darkness. Pretty cool. Sounds like more ideas inspired by that Swamp Thing issue with the aquatic vampires that the Gangrel mariners were already from   Then again like half of oWoD is jacked from Swamp Thing, Hellblazer and the Sandman anyway.
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Yawgmoth posted:Yeah this is pretty much the most https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG0PzrKvqP4
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Pope Guilty posted:Nah, surely it's... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_mV1IpjWA
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:My favorite part of Blood-Dimmed Tides is a thing mentioned in the interview as an idea got dropped in drafting because it was too owod for owod: the idea that Gangrel (or possibly vampires in general) eventually feel the lure of the abyssal/lightless zone of the ocean, to swim breathlessly in eternal darkness. This is seriously cool. Kavak posted:That was my first choice- one should be the credits theme and the other the opening. If you don't use this song as the intro and outro for all your WoD games, I don't know what to tell you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxcM3nCsglA UrbicaMortis fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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This is probably asked pretty often but if I'm looking to start some moody roleplay would I be better off getting Chronicles of Darkness or Vampire 2e? Looks like Chronicles is newer but what kind of characters does it let you make and are there worthwhile improvements?
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nopantsjack posted:This is probably asked pretty often but if I'm looking to start some moody roleplay would I be better off getting Chronicles of Darkness or Vampire 2e? Looks like Chronicles is newer but what kind of characters does it let you make and are there worthwhile improvements? The thing about the 2e games is they lend themselves very well to more focused play. The new 'Blue Book' Chronicles of Darkness stuff lends itself well to ghost stories and investigations - it's basically there for when you want to play Blair Witch with varying levels of survival. You're Joe Everyman. When you say 'improvements' I assume you mean 'over previous iterations of Joe Mortal' concept. There are new investigation rules that you can probably port into any WoD game. And if you're comparing it to the 1e corebook it's got all the 2e improvements, including a better XP system, more mechanically sound Merits, a social system worth a drat and a more cohesive idea about what Morality (now called Integrity) is trying to do. Vampire has ramped up the personal, existential angst a bit and is a very good game for when you want to talk about warring inhuman families trying to get by in a world that seems to actively hate them. I love it but YMMV. If you liked Vampire in the past, give it a shot because it's got some really great ideas.
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nopantsjack posted:This is probably asked pretty often but if I'm looking to start some moody roleplay would I be better off getting Chronicles of Darkness or Vampire 2e? Looks like Chronicles is newer but what kind of characters does it let you make and are there worthwhile improvements? Chronicles of Darkness is geared towards "normal people encounter (and try to survive) the supernatural." It also reprints the God-Machine Chronicle, which gives you a bunch of stories and advice for running games about the freaky biomechanical demiurge and the people who stumble across it. Both CofD and Vampire 2e run off of the same engine, and Vampire is standalone. What CofD gets you is expanded discussion and examples of the rules, and a bunch of extra stuff that doesn't fit in a single chapter of a core book. In particular, there are new Merits, New systems for investigations, chases, and crafting (with a particular emphasis on "you have three hours till nightfall. What kind of anti-vampire defenses can you rig up?" rather than, like, making barrels); and an extensive section on building your own monsters. So, really, to answer your question & assuming you only want to buy one: if you want to play vampire politics and toxic relationships, get Vampire. If you want something more in the vein of X-Files or Kolchak, get CofD. But CofD is still useful if you're playing Vampire, for all the stuff I just mentioned.
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My group has played a lot of Call of Cthulhu so I think I'll stay clear of Chronicles of Darkness just because that sounds similar in a fragile mortals way. I ran a oneshot Vampire campaign using the anniversary book and that was good fun because it had a similar feel to Cthulhu but with the players being able to be much more relaxed about mundane dangers and play around with powers which lead to some hilarious poo poo like people crit-rolling to shapeshift into Santa. Is Vampire still my best bet for that or one of the other settings?
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nopantsjack posted:Is Vampire still my best bet for that or one of the other settings? I think if you want balls-to-the-wall kind of results, Mage is your game, which has 2nd edition coming out soon. Turn sound into gold! Become electricity and teleport through dial-up modems!
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crime fighting hog posted:Become electricity and teleport through dial-up modems! Incidentally I really kind of hope Awakening 2e kind of touches on the actual sociological implications of having magic like this and how it affects the lives of PCs and the societies they're in. An Obrimoscan teleport to places through the electrical grid if they don't mind that sort of thing being a little risky - how does that change the world? Thyrsus aren't just 'vigorously alive', almost every single one of them that wants to be buff is Really Buff All The Time, and can make their friends that way too. Almost everyone, unless they're concealing their magic all over, is walking around with supernatural sight and the equivalent of a bulletproof vest on, all the time. How does that change the kind of person you are and the society you live in? How many mages accidentally brought the Guardians down on themselves because they got blindsided by a truck and 'miraculously' got out with only scrapes and bruises?
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bewilderment posted:How does that change the kind of person you are and the society you live in? That's pretty much what the players find out in the game, I guess. I haven't gotten to run any Mage (only run Hunter a few sessions and loved it) but through living vicariously by others PbPs and podcasts, Mage seems to be very player driven with the ST reacting instead of provoking. What the players choose to pursue, create and destroy is the answer to the "What would this character do given incredible amounts of power?" Which case I would just love to roll a gym rat Silver Arrow.
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crime fighting hog posted:That's pretty much what the players find out in the game, I guess. I haven't gotten to run any Mage (only run Hunter a few sessions and loved it) but through living vicariously by others PbPs and podcasts, Mage seems to be very player driven with the ST reacting instead of provoking. What the players choose to pursue, create and destroy is the answer to the "What would this character do given incredible amounts of power?" Sure, but Mage assumes some kind of Mage society by default, and having the question of "How does having crazy magical powers affect these old secret societies?" being answered by "I dunno, the ST can make it up" is unhelpful.
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Oh hey it's an interview with Martin Elricsson, Paradox's White Wolf Lead Storyteller.quote:Martin Elricsson, Lead Storyteller and Brand Architect at the newly Swedish White Wolf (recently acquired by Paradox Interactive) kindly took the time for a brief Q&A with Imagonem about upcoming plans.
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Our launch plan will always be a secret until it’s not. I love the speculation and mystery surrounding future releases we saw in the 90’s, so we will definitely play with that aspect. Hints and clues to what will come next will appear in future products and WW communiques. There are actually a few of them out there already.
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So, basically, they're exactly the edgelord wannabe 90s dev that I feared they were when they thanked MR*H and not the guys who have actually kept the brand alive for the past 15 years.quote:Will the Werewolves remain crypto fascist eco-terrorist? quote:The attempt to create a deep mythology by linking the setting to Exalted was the worst choice ever. That was the last step in WoD’d death-march from being an artistic horror-IP to full on immature, escapist Urban Fantasy. The inability to deal with and integrate real-world events in the setting. If you can write about the Holocaust, you can write about 9/11. Fear is the death of creativity. The game was always best in the hands of storytellers who dared to place the story close to reality, often in their own cities, featuring real places and people.
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Kind of sounds like they are the types of fans who are still in denial about the OWoD being a horror superhero setting. Wonderful! Also, lol @ namedropping Lamentations of the Flame Princess
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This is going to be hilarious, watching the old White Wolf edgelording come home to roost again. Beast was the harbinger, here to tell us this was inevitable.
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Well at least it sounds like OPP gets to keep doing what they're doing, so that should be good. And we might get some cool video games out of it. Also looking forward to the obvious Werewolf/Hatred crossover videogame
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He's not an edgelord wannabe and as far as I can tell the only thing he's wrong about is that the nWoD lacked an epic scope. Hell, if I wanted to make the maximum money I could off a WoD video game I'd probably be forced to set it in the oWoD, too. This is just more evidence that the exarchs are real.
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I'm just hoping that they retain the "play what you want" tone of OPP's OWoD releases. I really don't want to see "Anything other than a biker Brujah or Toreador artist is sunglasses katana trenchcoat twinking, never use the giant lists of powers we provide you. Personal Horror™!" ever again.
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Ferrinus posted:Hell, if I wanted to make the maximum money I could off a WoD video game I'd probably be forced to set it in the oWoD, too. Agreed. Beside the nostalgia/awareness factor, the lack of a concrete setting makes nWoD an excellent TTRPG and a terrible basis for spin-off merchandise, especially computer games. I can think of one D&D game ever that wasn't based on a published setting. The problem, of course, is that it's 20 years out of date in so many places and they don't plan to fix that. I also find it hilarious that global warming is going to be some kind of victory for the Wyrm- humanity is what stands to lose with global warming, not the planet itself. It's seen much, much worse happen to its ecosystems in the past tens of millions of years.
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Ferrinus posted:He's not an edgelord wannabe and as far as I can tell the only thing he's wrong about is that the nWoD lacked an epic scope. Hell, if I wanted to make the maximum money I could off a WoD video game I'd probably be forced to set it in the oWoD, too. This is just more evidence that the exarchs are real. Yeah there are some things I don't like about the quotes but he's not totally wrong either. I thought the (summary), "nWoD is a more playable game too bad nobody liked it" statement was a little barbed for my taste. Maybe it's realistic. I still can't believe they plan to set this after the end of the world.
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Kavak posted:Agreed. Beside the nostalgia/awareness factor, the lack of a concrete setting makes nWoD an excellent TTRPG and a terrible basis for spin-off merchandise, especially computer games. I can think of one D&D game ever that wasn't based on a published setting. The problem, of course, is that it's 20 years out of date in so many places and they don't plan to fix that. The nWoD very much has a concrete setting and it's one that makes for much better video games. Mendrian posted:Yeah there are some things I don't like about the quotes but he's not totally wrong either. I thought the (summary), "nWoD is a more playable game too bad nobody liked it" statement was a little barbed for my taste. Maybe it's realistic. It makes sense, because they can have their cake and eat it, too - they can effectively start fresh with their own stuff, but still call it the same setting. I'd probably do the same.
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Mendrian posted:Yeah there are some things I don't like about the quotes but he's not totally wrong either. I thought the (summary), "nWoD is a more playable game too bad nobody liked it" statement was a little barbed for my taste. Maybe it's realistic. It would be good if they push it hard, like full on post-apocalypse horror. Not weak "supernatural society fell but everything else is the same" poo poo.
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Lightning Lord posted:I'm just hoping that they retain the "play what you want" tone of OPP's OWoD releases. I really don't want to see "Anything other than a biker Brujah or Toreador artist is sunglasses katana trenchcoat twinking, never use the giant lists of powers we provide you. Personal Horror™!" ever again.
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Making your sole customer focus nostalgic balding 40 year old weirdos instead of trying to appeal to new customers by not channeling the Platonic Ideal of Columbine is completely sound and has never hosed any industry over ever, so I can only see Paradox interactive going from strength to strength here.
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Kavak posted:I also find it hilarious that global warming is going to be some kind of victory for the Wyrm- humanity is what stands to lose with global warming, not the planet itself. It's seen much, much worse happen to its ecosystems in the past tens of millions of years. This is 90s environmentalism remember, threats to humanity are threats to the world as a whole. Save the planet!
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:I mean, you can always play what you want, it's just that if you want your games to carry Bless of Brand Architect you'll probably need to settle up at the middle school lunch tables of your youth once more. Yeah obviously anyone can do anything they want, I just don't want to read 90s grousing about playing something other than the WoD equivalent of Male Human Fighter or see it officially enshrined.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:This is 90s environmentalism remember, threats to humanity are threats to the world as a whole. Save the planet! I feel in this case it sound be less global warming and more acid rain and aerosol burning a hole in the Ozone layer.
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Lightning Lord posted:Yeah obviously anyone can do anything they want, I just don't want to read 90s grousing about playing something other than the WoD equivalent of Male Human Fighter or see it officially enshrined. Yeah there's what you want and what you want. Source books set the tone. Imagine a book with no women in it, neither the art nor the fiction. The game isn't telling you that you can't play a woman but you're fighting it every step of the way, to say nothing of the majority fans who aren't even trying to fight it. This means we're getting whacky Malkavians again doesn't it?
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Lightning Lord posted:Yeah obviously anyone can do anything they want, I just don't want to read 90s grousing about playing something other than the WoD equivalent of Male Human Fighter or see it officially enshrined.
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