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Anytime I'm in a new bar that's what I order, if they gently caress that up its not worth coming back to. Finally ordered my tickets for the 500, down low in turn 1 at the start of the short chute. Here's to no airborne incidents, because that debris is coming right at me. 
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Oh drat, I almost forgot to mention the Union Jack on W. 25th Street (not the one on Broad Ripple). It is crammed full of racing memorabilia and the food is pretty good.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Downtown: I mean, compared to the rest of Indianapolis... yeah that's an important note. indy's downtown (the actual part of that is a downtown, which is small) is very nice and new, but it's mostly "great" in comparison to the rest of the city, which you probably wouldn't recognize as a city were it not called one. my brother is fond of calling it a "wide suburb" and i think that's pretty accurate.
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devmd01 posted:Finally ordered my tickets for the 500, down low in turn 1 at the start of the short chute. Here's to no airborne incidents, because that debris is coming right at me. They just finished completely replacing the catch fence all around the track so you'll be just fine. The mesh is finer and it's easier to see through 
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Feb 15, 2016 22:34
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Nice thanks for all the info! I imagine it'll hot as hell too.
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harperdc posted:Where in The Netherlands? Brands Hatch are you loving kidding, no chance in a modern F1 car, too short even with the long loop (there's only two FIA grade 1 circuits under 4 km, bet you can't guess what they are!). Portugal? Not enough cash. From the FIA List, the Grade 1 Circuits under 4km are: Bahrain (oasis circuit) Bahrain (outer circuit) Bahrain (paddock circuit) Monaco Moscow Raceway
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Feb 15, 2016 23:23
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It's great living in America and primarily watching American racing where we can ignore all the corrupt FIA bullshit like circuit "grades" and "super licenses" and focus on our own corrupt bullshit instead.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:39
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F1 is so much better at being corrupt than american motorsport. truly is the pinnacle
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anotherblownsave posted:Nice thanks for all the info! I imagine it'll hot as hell too. You coming in early enough for carb day too?
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be nice wicka posted:F1 is so much better at being corrupt than american motorsport. truly is the pinnacle Its always gonna be funny to me that Moscow Raceway was built for F1, and F1 races instead on a loving street circuit in Sochi.
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devmd01 posted:You coming in early enough for carb day too? I'll be there from Friday to Monday
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ellspurs posted:From the FIA List, the Grade 1 Circuits under 4km are: Missed Moscow but Bahrain was what I was thinking of. Understandable they have different layouts meeting grade 1 but still kinda strange. If you want to run Brands in a DW12, looks like you'll be able to soon in Project CARS...
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anotherblownsave posted:Nice thanks for all the info! I imagine it'll hot as hell too. also, yes, 100%, i've been to many races at IMS and it's always guaranteed to be loving ungodly hot. bring a lot of sunscreen unless you're lucky and your seats are covered.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:55
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ChampCar ran the Brands Hatch Indy circuit in 2003. They were lapping in like 39 something seconds and it was great. I think that was one of Bourdais first wins?
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indycar needs to run CoTA or montreal or something, i'd love to get a real comparison vs F1. ideally montreal since that's not really a downforce track and F1 cars are for sure generating way more downforce than indycars.
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harperdc posted:If you want to run Brands in a DW12, looks like you'll be able to soon in Project CARS... Or you could just get iRacing and race that combo right now 
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be nice wicka posted:indycar needs to run CoTA or montreal or something, i'd love to get a real comparison vs F1. ideally montreal since that's not really a downforce track and F1 cars are for sure generating way more downforce than indycars. The aerokits have bumped IndyCars over F1 in total downforce. AR1 heard that Honda's max numbers were something like 7000lbs@200mph in RC setup, which is partially what lead to the series mandating reinforced front wing mounting parts from Dallara. But IndyCars are obviously heavier. But they also have bigger tire contact patches. But a smaller contact/weight ratio. And they generally run harder tire compounds than F1. But Firestone's tire compounds themselves are probably better. But the Dallara suspension setups are probably less advanced as they are spec/purposefully overbuilt some teams have to replace parts less. Basically what I'm saying is P1 cars probably win in all of these categories anyway.
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Cygni posted:The aerokits have bumped IndyCars over F1 in total downforce. AR1 heard that Honda's max numbers were something like 7000lbs@200mph in RC setup, which is partially what lead to the series mandating reinforced front wing mounting parts from Dallara. WEC shares several tracks with F1 and they're generally at least a couple seconds slower. i had no idea about the rest of that though.
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be nice wicka posted:WEC shares several tracks with F1 and they're generally at least a couple seconds slower. i had no idea about the rest of that though. Yeah, i think a lot of that is down to P1's bein fuckin fatties. P1 is 1930lb minimum vs 1548lb for F1. I think for raw grip, the P1s are pretty mighty right now. Penske tested at COTA last year but I don't think they ever released numbers because it was pre-homologation aerokit testing. Would be interesting to get that straight ICS/F1 comparison, but F1 would probably still rule even without the aero. e: i think since everybody weighs differently with like fuel/driver and stuff, a better comparison is: F1: 1,415 ICS: 1,575 P1: 1,930 Cup: 3,400 Cygni fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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F1 and IndyCar are pretty equal on weight with P1 about 400 pounds heavier. P1 probably has an edge in horsepower and delivery over F1 but it doesn't make up for the weight. For comparison, F1 was about seven and a half seconds quicker at Silverstone last year.
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be nice wicka posted:yeah that's an important note. indy's downtown (the actual part of that is a downtown, which is small) is very nice and new, but it's mostly "great" in comparison to the rest of the city, which you probably wouldn't recognize as a city were it not called one. my brother is fond of calling it a "wide suburb" and i think that's pretty accurate. Yup. I mean even compared to the cultural void and endless sprawl that is the Phoenix metro, it really isn't that much to write home about. If you have nothing better to do on Saturday (and that's not much of a stretch) and you want to experience something of a downtown, you're better off road tripping to Chicago. I did that for the first time last year and even though we only hit the Field and Shedd, it was awesome.
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Generally when I'm in Indy I'm usually visiting family and around my dad's old stomping grounds up in Lafayette. It's Arni's or Pizza King for Pizza. Or GTFO. Mug N' Bun's root beer and onion rings are awesome. I do love that place.
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harperdc posted:Missed Moscow but Bahrain was what I was thinking of. Understandable they have different layouts meeting grade 1 but still kinda strange. Those are short versions all though, the actual F1 layout is well over 5km.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Indycar at the full Brands Hatch circuit would be cool. I'd really like to see them through money at making Eurospeedway and Rockingham both full time events. I'd love to see Nationwide run those two ovals in the vain of "NASCAR THUNDER" as well. I'm unsure if you'd be able to sell it to European race fans. I don't know if people in Germany would care about IndyCar to buy a ticket and I imagine the sport isn't well known in the UK as well? I think NASCAR missed the boat by not trying to run a few races over there as I think that's generally what comes to mind when you ask europeans what American race fans like. e: I do wonder if any of the past european drivers are well known to anyone who's even the least bit interested in racing? -Zanardi? -Luyendyk? -Dario? (this one I'm leaning towards "no") -Blundell? (leaning toward "yes" due to F1) -Papis? -Brack? -Bourdais? (maybe? I think "worst thread" considers him a joke though) -Pagenaud? -Servia? (doubt it when compared to Alonso) -Wheldon? (see Dario) I know Villeneuve and Montoya are likely known, but I imagine there Indy career's are probably "footnotes" to many F1/European fans. FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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It'd likely be the same as the NFL, people would show up the first time out of curiosity but it'd be diminishing returns if they tried to make it a regular thing.
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we are now at the "planning a tentative global schedule despite the series being on life support in its #1 market" portion of the thread
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there are too many tracks in the US indycar isn't visiting for them to consider europe
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njsykora posted:It'd likely be the same as the NFL, people would show up the first time out of curiosity but it'd be diminishing returns if they tried to make it a regular thing. I'm not sure that's a great example. I thought they'd easily sold out every game in the UK and they've announced they're going to be a playing a lot more of them here in future.
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Dudley posted:I'm not sure that's a great example. I thought they'd easily sold out every game in the UK and they've announced they're going to be a playing a lot more of them here in future. What I've heard is there's less and less interest as more and more of the UK games involve the Jaguars. They might still be selling tickets, but the TV coverage is hyped less and its not covered in the news any more because its none of the major teams playing. There were a lot of articles I read last year about how the whole idea would collapse if they did what's been rumoured and make the Jaguars a UK home team. Though having said all that, motorsport is a very different thing to football. A better example would be to look at the 2001 and 2002 CART races at Rockingham, they didn't exactly pack the place in 2001 and 2002 had even fewer people there. Probably part of why the Rockingham oval stopped being used. Though Euro NASCAR seems to do alright so who the gently caress knows. njsykora fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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be nice wicka posted:indycar needs to run CoTA or montreal or something, i'd love to get a real comparison vs F1. ideally montreal since that's not really a downforce track and F1 cars are for sure generating way more downforce than indycars. I guess you can do a very rough cross-reference of comparable performance by comparing F1 laptimes with champcar laptimes at Montreal, and then champcar laptimes with DW12 laptimes at other tracks they both ran at some point, but 
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With a reduction in downforce, could the series ever return to more 1.5 mile ovals?
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If they can run Texas, I really don't see why not, it's just that those ovals didn't really draw crowds.
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Bentai posted:With a reduction in downforce, could the series ever return to more 1.5 mile ovals? Crowds and how much they'd have to convince Bruton Smith or the France's to get more ovals is what's keeping them away.
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BMB5150 posted:Crowds and how much they'd have to convince Bruton Smith or the France's to get more ovals is what's keeping them away. crowds suck across the board for some cup events, and most trucks/XFS events. difference being? Those events get paid for being on television regardless whether or not someone shows up to the track or not. IndyCar could sell out say Phoenix, and in theory? would make less money than one cup race for Phoenix even if said event was like 40 percent full. FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Helicon One posted:I guess you can do a very rough cross-reference of comparable performance by comparing F1 laptimes with champcar laptimes at Montreal, and then champcar laptimes with DW12 laptimes at other tracks they both ran at some point, but The F1 cars at the time were much faster at Montreal IIRC but it also must be said that the early 2000s F1 cars had unlimted Aero, bespoke tires, and 69 Billion dollar budgets.
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http://www.motorsport.com/indycar/news/allmendinger-ill-never-race-an-open-cockpit-indycar-after-wilsons-death-673739/quote:After the loss of Wilson in an accident at Pocono Raceway in August of last year, Allmendinger, 34, said his days in open-wheel racing are over – unless he can be persuaded otherwise by closed-cockpit safety.
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Did Dinger have any legit shot at an open-wheeled ride this year?
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Maybe a one-off at Indy, but I think that was about it.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Did Dinger have any legit shot at an open-wheeled ride this year? I do not recall any reference of Dinger's name at Media Day a couple weeks ago /me runs to grab my press conference transcripts No references to Dinger, only Hildebrand
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brant james @brantjames Kasey Kahne says he put out some feelers about a run in 100th Indianapolis 500, but nothing came to fruition. #nascar @IndyCar  UGH! Come on IndyCar owners. Dude would be a legit threat to actually WIN the double, or at the very least? The 600? That's gotta be worth something to sponsors!
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