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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I don't doubt he's made a mint on all of this. But social media and the Internet have made it far more difficult to disappear, especially when you have actively pissed off your customer base like how he will have if SC fails. Plus there's his reputation with employees, etc. I think Peter Molyneux slipped up in that famous interview by continuing with it. When the first question is "Do you think that you’re a pathological liar?" you should be smart enough to walk away. I don't see Chris Roberts falling for the same thing. Your point about the treatment of employees is good but I sadly think not that many people care, see EA Louse. It also would require people going on the record by name, something that none so far have done and although a bankrupt CIG would make it more likely there's no guarantee how many will speak up. I just don't see the type of personality that will happily insist on micro managing every aspect of a 260 man game company into delays of years being at all embarrassed about failing, it certainly won't be his fault at all. It might be different if people get to see the accounts but there's no reason to believe that is certain or even likely.
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You idiots think she came home from learning martial arts but she actually came home from teaching a new martial art that she recently developed but has not yet named.
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redwalrus posted:haha seven bucks ah man, thats pretty funny quote:And there will be some who will want to carry on to Elite: Dangerous, and we’ll have an offer where you can get your money back if you want to buy the full game.”
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Feb 16, 2016 14:38
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Her fists are a registered lethal weapon. If she told you what martial art she was training in, you'd need to sign the secrets act. Why do you guys think she knows so many languages, and is such a convincing liar?
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I don't doubt he's made a mint on all of this. But social media and the Internet have made it far more difficult to disappear, especially when you have actively pissed off your customer base like how he will have if SC fails. Plus there's his reputation with employees, etc. You say this, but the decision-makers tend to favour those with a track record of generating money and tend not to give any reasonable fraction of a gently caress about a few thousand nerds losing their piggy banks. See also: Julie Uhrman, a highly celebrated entrepreneur and marketeer and not, for example, an incompetent headcase with terrible ideas and a very bad liar.
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Feb 16, 2016 14:43
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2DCAT posted:As someone that has done wrestling and brazilian jiu jitsu for a billion years (and knows he talks too much about it), I have to ask... wtf kind of person says they do "martial arts training" She did the first 20 minutes of the Kicky-Punchy P90X.
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Feb 16, 2016 14:45
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Happy Sisyphus posted:maybe sandi is doing MMA but just doesnt like the first M Yeah, sandi strikes me as the kind of person who would object to mixed things...
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Feb 16, 2016 14:52
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Sappo569 posted:You've said that about everything CIG has done This is the Stimpire, Citizen, the blue balls are a feature not a bug.
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Feb 16, 2016 14:53
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Thirsty Dog posted:This is the most baffling thing about the way they defend SC. They genuinely believe that "Chris said it's going to be in the game" is the same thing as "this is in the game and working as intended".
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Feb 16, 2016 14:56
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I just don't get it. Do people really not see that a major feature has simply been cut? https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/45xmjt/star_citizen_can_we_keep_the_faith/d00x0o5
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Feb 16, 2016 15:00
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Moogle posted:You say this, but the decision-makers tend to favour those with a track record of generating money and tend not to give any reasonable fraction of a gently caress about a few thousand nerds losing their piggy banks. To be clear I mean crowd funding and with the public. I wouldn't be surprised if he finds some other venture to scam, like selling his crowd funding "system" that is apparently so inflexible that minor changes take months to implement. Or maybe he can mooch off of Sandi once her acting career takes off. Then again nobody lost money underestimating the stupidity of people so maybe he can just do it all over again.
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Feb 16, 2016 15:02
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:To be clear I mean crowd funding and with the public. I wouldn't be surprised if he finds some other venture to scam, like selling his crowd funding "system" that is apparently so inflexible that minor changes take months to implement. Or maybe he can mooch off of Sandi once her acting career takes off. I'm too lazy to find it but at one point Roberts was literally talking about selling their crowd-funding system to other people (this was a long time ago).
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Feb 16, 2016 15:03
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Iglocska posted:I just don't get it. Do people really not see that a major feature has simply been cut? They can't. Once doubt starts to creep in the whole house of cards collapses.
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Feb 16, 2016 15:05
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imperialparadox posted:I'm too lazy to find it but at one point Roberts was literally talking about selling their crowd-funding system to other people (this was a long time ago). Yeah it was a few years ago. They stopped talking about it when backers started to ask if their funds were being used.
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2DCAT posted:As someone that has done wrestling and brazilian jiu jitsu for a billion years (and knows he talks too much about it), I have to ask... wtf kind of person says they do "martial arts training" I'm going to do something outrageous and give an actual reasonable explanation for something Sandi says…  The kind of person who'd say that is an actor. You know those “actor boot camps” that have become popular since (roughly) the turn of the century? Where they take absolute goofs and teach them how to, say, hold a gun or move around a corner without looking like a goof (at least on the 8th take). Same thing here, but for kicking someone in the nuts or just striking a pose. e:f;b, of course…
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:They can't. Once doubt starts to creep in the whole house of cards collapses. But I can somewhat understand people believing that things might not turn out 100% as they had hoped, but with a few minor features dropped it will still be OK (which is kind of crazy at this point in itself), but here we have a feature that CIG said was cut and they are trying to prove to me that it's in fact there as promised. Mind loving blown.
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Feb 16, 2016 15:10
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Remember when sandi said she really wants to disclose financials and is fighting behind the scenes to make it happen lmfao
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I spent a good chunk of last night trying to cut together a funny Star Citizen gameplay video, and man I have a ton more respect for Pgabz. It is not loving easy to make that game look fun, even when you're trolling other players.
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Iglocska posted:I just don't get it. Do people really not see that a major feature has simply been cut? Beer4TheBeerGod posted:They can't. Once doubt starts to creep in the whole house of cards collapses. There again we see the magic word: "faith". What exactly has Chris Roberts done to deserve all this blind faith? How did he get these people to turn off their brains and follow him straight off the cliff? An old 90s game simply does not go far enough to validate him as a tried-and-true developer in the year 201X. His track record is all the evidence anyone needs to know not to trust this man. There's something else at play here; something I'm missing. This isn't new. In 2004 Something Awful had an article about gaming catchphrases: http://www.somethingawful.com/comedy-goldmine/game-pr-catchphrases/5/: Quote: "A compelling new title from the creator of (one game you liked that was made ten years ago)." Indicates: A gaming god has descended from the heavens to craft a game that's even better than the one that made him famous. True Meaning: Run. Run fast and hard. Move at night under the cover of darkness, and take whatever rest you can manage during the daylight hours. They purposely forgot to mention the games he created between his masterpiece and now; failures in every sense of the word that sucked because his over inflated ego led him to believe that he could make even the most ambitious and convoluted ideas work. That article is 12 years old. When it was written, I suspect this was a jab at Peter Molyneaux. Here we are over a decade later, and it's still letter-perfect. Scruffpuff fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Iglocska posted:But I can somewhat understand people believing that things might not turn out 100% as they had hoped, but with a few minor features dropped it will still be OK (which is kind of crazy at this point in itself), but here we have a feature that CIG said was cut and they are trying to prove to me that it's in fact there as promised. Again, if they accept that a feature is outright cut then they have no choice but to be disappointed in CIG and subsequently start to doubt.
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Nation posted:Remember when sandi said she really wants to disclose financials and is fighting behind the scenes to make it happen lmfao I really feel for her and her eternal struggle against those motivated exclusively by profit.
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Whereas:quote:Quote: “As a squad leader in an elite counter-terrorist operative, use new intel and weapon skills to complete an incredible collection of single-player missions. Lead your team in increasingly challenging scenarios -- from harsh jungle environments to severe arctic terrains, unforgiving deserts to dangerous international city streets. Rescue hostages. Escort VIPs to safety. Locate and defuse bombs. A collection of entirely new objectives challenge your ability to think quickly and strategically.” Was just proven wrong with XCOM 2.
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Tippis posted:I'm going to do something outrageous and give an actual reasonable explanation for something Sandi says… See Reddit? We can be reasonable. If this was a hugbox we'd have just downvoted him to invisibility.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Whereas: That's about playing as the terrorists, not counter-terrorists though
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Scruffpuff posted:There again we see the magic word: "faith". What exactly has Chris Roberts done to deserve all this blind faith? How did he get these people to turn off their brains and follow him straight off the cliff? An old 90s game simply does not go far enough to validate him as a tried-and-true developer in the year 201X. His track record is all the evidence anyone needs to know not to trust this man. There's something else at play here; something I'm missing. He's lied. It's as simple as that. He deluges his audience with words and imagery while providing just enough to let them fill in the blanks with whatever convinces them to spend more. He says whatever it takes to maintain the illusion, replacing facts and reality with sheer determination and chutzpah. People believe him because nobody wants to believe they're being lied to their face.
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Scruffpuff posted:There's something else at play here; something I'm missing.
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Polish Avenger posted:See Reddit? We can be reasonable. If this was a hugbox we'd have just downvoted him to invisibility. I mean, odds are still high that she's just trying to inflate her free-form-flailing-on-a-tatami-class as something it's not (as in: it's not even an actor's class, and definitely not one of those studio-sponsored boot camps), but what she actually says is at least a thing. Not the same thing, mind, but a thing.
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I just had my first Star Citizen experience today. I'm doing a report on Economics for uni and decided to make it around Star Citizen and how much of a trainwreck it has become. Decidded to go search their webpage for a press kit I could use with pretty pictures. I had to try to download the file ten loving times because of some error or another that prompted windows to tell me to contact the site administrator because something was broken. The icing on the cake was that once I opened it the first folder in the press kit is titled "Chris Roberts". It contains two pictures of him and his bio, in which he is given the title of "Chief Creative Officer". 10/10 fully immersed in the Star Citizen universe.
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Scruffpuff posted:There again we see the magic word: "faith". What exactly has Chris Roberts done to deserve all this blind faith? How did he get these people to turn off their brains and follow him straight off the cliff? An old 90s game simply does not go far enough to validate him as a tried-and-true developer in the year 201X. His track record is all the evidence anyone needs to know not to trust this man. There's something else at play here; something I'm missing. Wow, that really fits.
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I tried to tell my friend to take the money he was about to spend on Star Citizen and withdraw it from the bank as ones and burn it, since it would be more fun he just laughed 
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Skellybones posted:That's about playing as the terrorists, not counter-terrorists though Change their hats and it works.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:He's lied. It's as simple as that. He deluges his audience with words and imagery while providing just enough to let them fill in the blanks with whatever convinces them to spend more. He says whatever it takes to maintain the illusion, replacing facts and reality with sheer determination and chutzpah. So does that make everyone here some sort of weird statistical outlier? I always assume people who want my money are going to lie to some degree about the service they provide. I always calculate the value of my time and money, and weigh it against what I suspect the likely end-product will be, despite what the salesman tells me it will be. Whether that's getting my house painted, getting landscaping done, buying a car - it doesn't really matter. I know what I'm being told is unlikely to be what I get, so I figure out the delta and make my choice. If I only spent money on things I was 100% sure would match the marketing hype, I wouldn't own anything at all. I like to think other people navigate the world similarly, but apparently I'm as wrong about that as the backers are about SC.
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Skellybones posted:That's about playing as the terrorists, not counter-terrorists though It's great that you're basically playing as the aliens from the first game.
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Scruffpuff posted:So does that make everyone here some sort of weird statistical outlier? Not really, we're just the counterweight argument to CiG. There's a lot of either undecideds or people that haven't looked closely enough, or don't have the refined level of bullshit detector that we have. We run the gamut of people who're actually pissed over a game that they don't have any money in because 'reasons', through to the comedians and the genuinely amazed that this ponzi keeps rolling. We're one end of the bell curve, the brown sea is the other.
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Has anyone said Cloud Stimperium Games yet?
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Guys, this just in from reddit: Co-op in the PU will be just as (or more) fun as co-op in SQ42 would have been, you'll be able to do the exact same things. Does this mean that SQ42 is a completely obsolete game already?
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Iglocska posted:Does this mean that SQ42 is a completely obsolete game already? It just means that a lot of morons frequent the SC reddit.
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Tank Boy Ken posted:It just means that a lot of morons frequent the SC reddit. Yeah, even a basic sampling makes me want to [citation needed]. They're filling in the blanks with their imaginations.
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Scruffpuff posted:So does that make everyone here some sort of weird statistical outlier? I always assume people who want my money are going to lie to some degree about the service they provide. I always calculate the value of my time and money, and weigh it against what I suspect the likely end-product will be, despite what the salesman tells me it will be. Whether that's getting my house painted, getting landscaping done, buying a car - it doesn't really matter. I know what I'm being told is unlikely to be what I get, so I figure out the delta and make my choice. If I only spent money on things I was 100% sure would match the marketing hype, I wouldn't own anything at all. I like to think other people navigate the world similarly, but apparently I'm as wrong about that as the backers are about SC. I doubt it has anything to do with the individual people and more to do with SA in general. SA has that great quality of taking the piss out of whatever is currently up for discussion regardless of any justification, just for the lulz, you know. That's a good way to mitigate tricks your mind will play on you that protect your idea of self but may also let you stay on a bad course for too long. Here, someone will inevitably swoop into a thread about X, hellbent on taking the cheapest, most obvious shot at it. "X is a scam." Having someone being automatically contrarian can make you consider if they're right. Sometimes they will be. I think it's good because we need reminders not to take ourselves too seriously.
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LowellDND posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&userid=149072&perpage=40&pagenumber=19 Thanks. 
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I expect even a low amount of effort would find similar vitirol against Lesnick or Chris.