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lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

It's actually a horse

# ? Feb 14, 2016 02:26

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lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

So what's the general consensus on the possibility of Russia going to war with Turkey?

# ? Feb 14, 2016 19:49

StandardVC10: Feb 6, 2007; This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

Friendly Humour posted:

So what's the general consensus on the possibility of Russia going to war with Turkey?

Seems Unlikely

# ? Feb 14, 2016 19:55

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

http://observer.com/2016/02/mounting-evidence-putin-will-ignite-wwiii/

quote:

Mr. Felgenhauer paints an alarmingly plausible scenario. As rebel forces defend Aleppo in Stalingrad fashion, the Syrian military, with Russian help, commences a protracted siege of the city, employing massive firepower, which becomes a humanitarian nightmare of a kind not seen in decades, a tragedy that would dwarf the 1992-95 siege of Sarajevo. However, any Turkish move to lift that siege, even with international imprimatur, would quickly devolve into all-out war.

I mean I know the guy is a crank but he does make an argument for it.

# ? Feb 14, 2016 19:59

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

Friendly Humour posted:

http://observer.com/2016/02/mounting-evidence-putin-will-ignite-wwiii/

I mean I know the guy is a crank but he does make an argument for it.

Meanwhile Turkey is striking (mostly Kurdish) targets within Syria with artillery.

# ? Feb 14, 2016 20:27

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

Friendly Humour posted:

So what's the general consensus on the possibility of Russia going to war with Turkey?

Going to actual, official war isn't Putin's style; and it's a lot easier to get plausible deniability for insurgent action in Syria than in Ukraine.

# ? Feb 14, 2016 20:51

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

Cat Mattress posted:

Going to actual, official war isn't Putin's style; and it's a lot easier to get plausible deniability for insurgent action in Syria than in Ukraine.

It will be once Turkish AA sites start dropping Russian fighter bombers from the air on the Syrian side of the border.

# ? Feb 14, 2016 22:16

Doctor Malaver: May 23, 2007; Ce qui s'est pass� t'a rendu plus fort

Friendly Humour posted:

So what's the general consensus on the possibility of Russia going to war with Turkey?

Doctor Malaver posted:

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Russia prefers to fight small, weak neighbors with significant Russian population, not regional powers who have more than half the population of Russia.
Turkey prefers to operate in the region and not attack nuclear powers.

What could either side hope to gain? And how would they fight without a land border?

# ? Feb 14, 2016 22:28

anilEhilated: Feb 17, 2014; But I say fuck the rain.; Grimey Drawer

It's really a matter of setting up the "significant Russian population" there. I honestly think he's pretty much saber-rattling in there to divert attention from Ukraine. The more escalated the situation in that region, the less willing will the West be to do something about the actual invasion.

# ? Feb 14, 2016 22:35

special tactics: Oct 13, 2015

Russian trucks have been allowed to enter Belarus from Ukrainian territory, the Association of International Truck Haulage said on Monday.

http://tass.ru/en/world/856741

# ? Feb 15, 2016 11:12

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Russia anti-doping ex-chief Nikita Kamaev dies

quote:

Nikita Kamaev's death comes two months after he resigned his post following a doping scandal in Russian athletics.

Rusada said the cause of death was "a massive heart attack".

Russia was suspended from international athletics last November. The World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) accused Russian athletics of state-backed doping, corruption and extortion.
..
His death comes just two weeks after that of Rusada founding chairman, Vyacheslav Sinev.

Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko said: "It's a very unexpected death. [Mr Kamaev] seemed healthy and everything was fine."
...
The reputation of Russian athletics took a big knock following the release of doping reports in November

As usual in cases of important government/military officials dying unexpectedly, it's probably just a coincidence, nothing to see here!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35575774

# ? Feb 15, 2016 19:55

Oracle: Oct 9, 2004

Baronjutter posted:

Here's an interesting article written by a Vietnamese american on their experiences in eastern europe, specially Prague.
http://praguemonitor.com/2010/03/26/confession-vietnamese-czech-republic

That article is a bit crap; there are plenty of Asian gang members in California, especially Vietnamese. That girl's either living in a bubble or knowingly adhering to the 'model minority' stereotype in order to make herself look good.

# ? Feb 15, 2016 20:11

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

Baronjutter posted:

Here's an interesting article written by a Vietnamese american on their experiences in eastern europe, specially Prague.
http://praguemonitor.com/2010/03/26/confession-vietnamese-czech-republic

That article seems very patronizing and borderline racist towards Bosna.

Also she seems to imply pretty heavily that because the locals consider "I'm Amrerican" to be a more significant identifier than "I'm Vietnamese", they are racist? What about the possibility that there are linguistic and cultural reasons why the term Vietnamese has a different meaning here than in America where the prefix "American" is always guaranteed to be implicitly present in the context. If an Irish American conscious of his heritage came over here and started saying "I'm Irish", everybody would also catalogue him as American instead.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Feb 15, 2016

# ? Feb 15, 2016 20:16

Lovely Joe Stalin: Jun 12, 2007; Our Lovely Wang

Yeah, "I'm oirish, t'besure t'besure" Americans get nothing but derision in the UK and Ireland. No one would consider them to actually be Irish.

# ? Feb 15, 2016 21:36

Plan Z: May 6, 2012

I don't know what this will serve. It's very, very :nms:

and

. A supposedly well-known DPR officer tortures and interrogates an accused drug dealer. There is an unsubstantiated claim that the dealer was later executed.

:nws:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRC6FwjPZS4

# ? Feb 15, 2016 21:46

A Pale Horse: Jul 29, 2007

Plan Z posted:

I don't know what this will serve. It's very, very and . A supposedly well-known DPR officer tortures and interrogates an accused drug dealer. There is an unsubstantiated claim that the dealer was later executed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRC6FwjPZS4

What an incredible psychopath. I hope he catches a shell or a sniper's bullet to the dome.

# ? Feb 16, 2016 00:54

Doctor Malaver: May 23, 2007; Ce qui s'est pass� t'a rendu plus fort

steinrokkan posted:

That article seems very patronizing and borderline racist towards Bosna.

Other than complaining about the food, there is nothing negative about Bosnia in that article.

# ? Feb 16, 2016 01:17

Plan Z: May 6, 2012

A Pale Horse posted:

What an incredible psychopath. I hope he catches a shell or a sniper's bullet to the dome.

As far as I can find, the incident took place around Oct. 2014, and nobody has seen the "dealer" since. Graham Phillips seemed excited to proclaim it was a Ukrainian military unit, and hasn't corrected his twitter.

I don't know if he's been discussed in the thread, but I'm looking up information on this Olkhon/Olhon guy. There have been interviews with him, and his face is always covered. He seems to either be very "off" or very "on" depending how you look at it. He tends to ramble with lovely jokes, and does kind of have charisma for how much of a piece of poo poo he is.

Front view from the torture video :nws:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi?TRC6FwjPZS4?0?jpg

Interview with Graham Phillips (part 1 of several): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuzAiPJMMGQ
Another interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQpeH-GfsVg

Olkhon's VK profile: http://vk.com/olhon

# ? Feb 16, 2016 08:41

HUGE PUBES A PLUS: Apr 30, 2005

Happy Independence Day, Lithuania. :toot:

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/699505097085218816

Just in time for the holiday comes this article from The Atlantic Council about Putin's next maybe land grab: Sulwalki Gap.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/nato-s-vulnerable-link-in-europe-poland-s-suwalki-gap

quote:

The Pentagon's decision to quadruple its 2017 budget for European defence due to the perceived threat of Russian aggression and the recent RAND report noting the difficulties NATO would have defending the Baltic States, are once again bringing to the forefront the risks on Europe's frontier states. The top brass of US military forces, like U.S. Army Europe commander Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, have also already noted that a narrow piece of land connecting two NATO member states Poland and Lithuania � the Suwalki Gap ‒ could potentially be a target of Russian military aggression. Capture by hostile forces of Suwalki or bordering Lithuanian territory would cut off the three Baltic States from other NATO countries. Analysts have likened Suwalki to the Cold War era's Fulda Gap in Germany where NATO planned and prepared for hypothetical Soviet attacks. In addition to the region's problematic geography and militarized environment due to neighbouring Kaliningrad and Belarus, the Suwalki Gap is different and potentially an even more vulnerable target because the Kremlin could exploit the region's historic ethnic tensions.

The territory dubbed the Suwalki Gap ("przesmyk Suwalki" in Polish) is a north-eastern Polish territory bordering Lithuania in the north-east, Kaliningrad in the north-west, and Belarus in the south-east. The nearly 64 miles wide land strip in the Sejny district is also so called "Suwalki corridor" or by the Lithuanians referred to as the "Suwalki triangle" (based on the three towns of Punsk, Sejny, and Suwalki).

Kaliningrad and Belarus: military build-up

The neighbouring and militarized Russian enclave of Kaliningrad houses part of the 56 warship-strong Russian Baltic Fleet at the port of Baltiysk, as well as submarines, land troops, a naval brigade and two military airbases. In case of a conflict, Russian missiles deployed in Kaliningrad could block the eastern part of Poland and a large part of the Baltic States from any naval or land support from NATO allies. Moreover, since 2003 the Russian military has access (albeit highly regulated) to transit through Lithuania to supply its troops in Kaliningrad. Meanwhile, neighbouring Belarus, which remains among Russia's closest and most loyal political and military allies, has been in discussions to house a large Russian air base. (Which is really going nowhere at this point.)

Historic Polish-Lithuanian disputes in Suwalki

Considering that Russia's foreign policy and military operations in the post-Soviet space have often fuelled and exploited local ethnic tensions � such as in Ukraine's Crimea and the Donbas, Georgia's South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and Moldova's Transnistria, ‒ it is crucial to understand the history of ethnic tensions in relation to the Suwalki triangle. This territory has been an object of Polish-Lithuanian disputes for nearly a hundred years. Today this area has a sizable Lithuanian minority. Lithuanians are mostly concentrated in and around the three towns constituting the Suwalki triangle: the town of Punsk totalling about 3.6 thousand or approximately 80% of the town's inhabitants. The town of Sejny counts about 1.6 thousand Lithuanians or about 30% of its inhabitants, while the town of Suwalki also includes some 500 Lithuanians.

Historically the lands of the Suwalki triangle were part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which after the final partition of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1795 belonged to Prussia, Duchy of Warsaw and finally Tsarist Russia. In the end of 1910s, when the two nation states of Poland and Lithuania were forming and declared their independence, the Suwalki triangle became a battlefield of the two countries. Besides historical reasons, for Lithuania this area was important culturally � at the turn of 20th century many intellectuals were educated here and played a prominent role in the rebirth of Lithuanian state. Meanwhile, Warsaw sought to regain this territory due to the sizable numbers of Polish speakers. Thus, Lithuanian and Polish troops clashed in the Sejny Uprising of 1919 and the Battle of the Niemen River of 1920 after which the two countries signed the Treaty of Suwalki recognizing Punsk, Sejny, and Suwalki as part of independent Poland. Vilnius � the historical capital of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania � was also agreed to be part of Lithuania, but in two days it was captured by Polish troops and remained occupied until 1939. This military intervention, along with perception that Warsaw pursued polonization policies in the Suwalki triangle, resulted in tensions between the two countries that continued to reverberate until present day.

Contemporary Polish-Lithuanian Tensions

At the end of the Cold War and following the independence of both countries from Soviet domination, tensions between Poland and Lithuania persisted. Today they are driven mainly by the question of the Polish national minority in Lithuania, specifically issues related to their state-funded Polish-language education, Polish name and street spelling, and the repatriation of pre-Soviet land ownership rights. Similarly, the Lithuanian minority in Polish Sejny district complain regarding their education and language issues, humiliating monuments in Berznyk near Sejny, or attacks against local Lithuanian language inscriptions.

Poland's historic occupation of Vilnius and the desire of the Polish minority for territorial autonomy in Lithuania in the 1990-1991 period have resulted in many Lithuanians having antagonistic views towards Poland. For instance, after Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014, Poland was named as the second most hostile country to Lithuania after Russia in public polling. In October 2015 the bilateral tensions were again stirred up by the decision of newly elected Polish president Andrzej Duda to veto the law allowing the use of national minority languages (including Lithuanian) in Polish districts as a supporting language.

Russian Influence in Suwalki

In addition to the local Polish-Lithuanian tensions, there is also a potential dimension of Russian influence in Suwalki. While Russia has long sought to engage Russian speakers and even other ethnic minorities in the former Soviet republics through various youth military camps and militarized tournaments, Moscow has also seen some success in attracting the participation of Polish citizens. For instance, the International Strikeball Tournament "Put' k Pobede" (Road to Victory) has been taking place in Russia since 2010 and drawn participants from Poland in 2014, 2013, and 2011. The event enacting real-life scenarios of potential Russian military conflicts is organized by the Spetsnaz Rus ‒ a Russian organization active since 2005 and composed of Veterans of Spetsnaz (Special Forces) and Participants of Military Operations Association. For instance in the 2014 event, a fight was simulated between the Syrian government (supported by Russian troops) and rebels (supported by the US).

In light of territorial conflicts and separatism that have rocked the post-Soviet states of Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova it is also a worrying sign that Lithuanian radicals, with seeming affinity for Russia, from time to time put claims in social media arguing for Lithuania to regain the Suwalki triangle from Poland. While conflict between the two countries is highly unlikely, it is not out of the realm of possibility that ethnic tensions in Suwalki could be used to stir up local separatism, that radical calls could be made for the region's incorporation into Kaliningrad (as pro-Russia radicals have suggested in the case of Lithuanian port city of Klaipeda), or that historic mistrust between Poland and Lithuania could impact the cooperation or perceptions of their populations (though less likely their governments and military that are bound by NATO agreements) in the face of a Russian attack.

In summary, the Suwalki Gap will remain a troublesome land strip for NATO due to the military build-up on its borders and Moscow's ambitions in the post-Soviet space. This is further complicated by the historical and ethnic tensions of the region that still remain salient and could potentially be further enflamed. NATO would be wise to assess not only the military elements, but also these broader historical and cultural fault-lines in the region. Plans to launch a joint Polish, Lithuanian, and Ukrainian military brigade in 2017 will be a positive step in mitigating the regional risks and encouraging Warsaw and Vilnius to build mutual understanding to finally transcend the question of minorities and historical mistrust, but much could be done with the support of the United States and NATO.

# ? Feb 16, 2016 12:29

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

No confidence vote in the Yatsenyuk government possible soon today.
Edit: President Poroshenko has called for resignation of both PM Yatsenyuk and PG Shokin (the latter of which is his appoitee).

OddObserver fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Feb 16, 2016

# ? Feb 16, 2016 13:55

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Happy Independence Day, Lithuania.

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/699505097085218816

Just in time for the holiday comes this article from The Atlantic Council about Putin's next maybe land grab: Sulwalki Gap.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/nato-s-vulnerable-link-in-europe-poland-s-suwalki-gap

I can't imagine the local handful of Lithuanians wanting to join us in the motherland. We're slightly poorer and besides that the border is open so who cares? Who is going to take a Russian provided gun to fight for street signs?

A much more interesting case is the Polish minority in Lithuania. Most of them live around or in the capital, speak Russian instead of Polish and watch Russian PropagandaTV. The older population is very nostalgic for the USSR and feels a connection to Russia much stronger than to Poland. But even then, when Russia was starting to destabilize Ukraine, they were testing the waters in the Baltic countries and even then the local Russians/Poles didn't give a poo poo or stayed put. Helps that a lot of the lower class emigrated to western Europe for better paying manual labour jobs.

# ? Feb 16, 2016 14:51

Paladinus: Jan 11, 2014; heyHEYYYY!!!

I like that they cite a strikeball tournament as a legitimate concern.

# ? Feb 16, 2016 15:20

anilEhilated: Feb 17, 2014; But I say fuck the rain.; Grimey Drawer

It's about as good a reason as "it's rightfully ours".

# ? Feb 16, 2016 15:57

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

PG Shokin has submitted his resignation, following President Poroshenko's reqest he do so. PM Yatsenyuk almost done giving the Government's report, a vote of no confidence may follow. If so, one may wonder if there is already agreed upon replacement. Scary sign: the one known as "Her" has changed her hair style.

# ? Feb 16, 2016 16:23

Palpek: Dec 27, 2008; Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.

I seriously can't imagine Russians attacking Polish Suwalki at this point. That would have been a whole different deal than Ukraine considering it's part of the EU and Nato. Sure that 'everything is possible' but it's not realistic...yet.

Articles like that have been appearing in Poland at least since October and they're full of some truly sensationalistic bullshit but even they're not as dumb as that English one. Just lol at simplifying the context of the Polish-Lithuanian conflict in 1919 into a single paragraph, the talk about the strikeball tournament, minorities being seemingly hostile to the point of that having a military significance and a lot of other crap almost proving that Lithuania is ready to go to war with Poland over territory or something. That article is the definition of 'I don't know what I'm talking about but here are some random facts that support my thesis' click-bait.

At the same time I understand the strategic significance of the region and NATO's interest in it but the whole cultural context presented there is a big laugh.

# ? Feb 16, 2016 16:27

A Pale Horse: Jul 29, 2007

In Polish news, today CBS (Polish FBI) entered and searched the offices of an anti-clerical weekly called Facts and Myths started by a former priest and left wing MP Roman Kotlinski. The weekly deals mostly with exposing the criminal activities of priests, especially sexual excesses as well as generally disseminating anti Catholic church views. They spent 11 hours searching the offices and seized all electronic storage devices including journalistic work product which they have no legal right to as well as the magazine's book keeping and financial records. There has been no comment from the prosecutor's office as to why this was done. Kotlinski has been under investigation for a number of years due to issues in his personal life, but there has never been an insinuation that it was in any way related to his work on the magazine he edits. I hope all my Polish comrades remember the hell PiS raised when CBS was sent into right wing weekly Wprost to try to recover illegal recordings of government ministers that had been sent to Wprost. Additionally in an unrelated case, a sketch show artist has claimed that his anti government sketches have been censored from public media today. PiS is well on its way to destroying private as well as public media that are uncomfortable or critical of them or the church. What a loving country.

# ? Feb 16, 2016 17:37

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

You can take Poland out of the Eastern Block, but you can't take the Eastern Block out of Poland. Enjoy being like Putin's Russia, but smaller and irrelevant.

# ? Feb 16, 2016 18:11

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

Too bad Tusk can't just order the EU to invade Poland.

# ? Feb 16, 2016 18:15

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

The Rada votes te Government's work unsatisfactory, but may not have the votes for an actual vote of no-confidence --- PM calling for a vote now, believing he will win it.

Edit: no confidence vote failed, more than 30 votes short.

OddObserver fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Feb 16, 2016

# ? Feb 16, 2016 18:58

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

So according to new reports, Russian public is suffering from the oil price crash and the devaluation of the ruble on a much worse scale than people in comparable countries such as Kazakhstan. While people in other countries were able to protect their savings to an extent by converting them to foreign exchange, Russian savings have been eroding rapidly due to a strict state policy on liquidating FX reserves and the preferred use of said reserves to finance foreign deficit, prop up banks and such instead of making them available to general savers. In fact the share of FX in private savings has shrunk. To make matters worse, the government economic policy increases inflation beyond what would be the result of ruble's devaluation, which just further reduces the purchasing power of savings.

Tl;dr Russian public is hosed.

# ? Feb 17, 2016 11:38

Palpek: Dec 27, 2008; Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.

Anybody with any real money or savings in Russia uses exclusively dollars anyway. It has been like this for decades.

# ? Feb 17, 2016 12:26

OhYeah: Jan 20, 2007; 1. Currently the most prevalent form of decision-making in the western world

2. While you are correct in saying that the society owns

3. You have not for a second demonstrated here why

4. I love the way that you equate "state" with "bureaucracy". Is that how you really feel about the state

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdG5nGRusrE

Every Estonian male in their 20s thinks that he is a rally driver, even if they are literally retarded and drive an incredibly lovely old Hyundai.

EDIT: Might've been a Russian though.

OhYeah fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Feb 17, 2016

# ? Feb 17, 2016 16:33

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

OhYeah posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdG5nGRusrE

Every Estonian male in their 20s thinks that he is a rally driver, even if they are literally retarded and drive an incredibly lovely old Hyundai.

A trait shared by brother peoples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ravZlWhL1g

lollontee fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Feb 17, 2016

# ? Feb 17, 2016 16:36

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

steinrokkan posted:

So according to new reports, Russian public is suffering from the oil price crash and the devaluation of the ruble on a much worse scale than people in comparable countries such as Kazakhstan. While people in other countries were able to protect their savings to an extent by converting them to foreign exchange, Russian savings have been eroding rapidly due to a strict state policy on liquidating FX reserves and the preferred use of said reserves to finance foreign deficit, prop up banks and such instead of making them available to general savers. In fact the share of FX in private savings has shrunk. To make matters worse, the government economic policy increases inflation beyond what would be the result of ruble's devaluation, which just further reduces the purchasing power of savings.

Tl;dr Russian public is hosed.

In this case, the Russian Central Bank is probably going the right thing. They could have kept buying Ruble as they were but in all honesty it probably would have made a relatively small impact versus on going devaluation due lower oil prices. On the other hand, when those reserves are gone, they're gone.

The counter-case is Azerbaijan which continued to peg the Manat despite it being well overvalued and liquidated most of their reserves to do so, eventually they had to devalue the Manat because they were simply running out of money. (Their reserves fell from 13.7 B to 4.3B.) The Azerbaijani public could pretend for a year that things were normal, but ultimately Azerbaijan ended up in even a worse long-term position. In all honesty, even with an much lower peg (from 1.20 to .62 to the dollar) the Manat seems to still be overvalued, and Azerbaijan is still draining reserves.

No doubt it is hurting the Russian public, but their fate is honestly almost completely up to oil prices and thats a geopolitical concern.

Ardennes fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Feb 17, 2016

# ? Feb 17, 2016 16:47

Zudgemud: Mar 1, 2009; Grimey Drawer

Ardennes posted:

In this case, the Russian Central Bank is probably going the right thing. They could have kept buying Ruble as they were but in all honesty it probably would have made a relatively small impact versus on going devaluation due lower oil prices. On the other hand, when those reserves are gone, they're gone.

The counter-case is Azerbaijan which continued to peg the Manat despite it being well overvalued and liquidated most of their reserves to do so, eventually they had to devalue the Manat because they were simply running out of money. (Their reserves fell from 13.7 B to 4.3B.) The Azerbaijani public could pretend for a year that things were normal, but ultimately Azerbaijan ended up in even a worse long-term position. In all honesty, even with an much lower peg (from 1.20 to .62 to the dollar) the Manat seems to still be overvalued, and Azerbaijan is still draining reserves.

No doubt it is hurting the Russian public, but their fate is honestly almost completely up to oil prices and thats a geopolitical concern.

And really, the best way to drive up oil prices is for three of the top 10 oil producers to go to war with each other! That will surely rattle the markets in the right direction :v:

# ? Feb 17, 2016 20:42

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Russian economy: more or less hosed than Canada??

# ? Feb 17, 2016 20:44

TheDeadlyShoe: Feb 14, 2014

same timeframe:

Ruble: .035 to .013 USD
Canadian Dollar: ~1 to 0.73 USD

# ? Feb 17, 2016 20:46

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Zudgemud posted:

And really, the best way to drive up oil prices is for three of the top 10 oil producers to go to war with each other! That will surely rattle the markets in the right direction

It is certainly going to be interesting, and as far as the ultimate result on prices, it is abundantly especially since the 3 major players involved are rather bellicose and unpredictable. The deal that has been going around is rather minimal and Iran seems rather noncommittal, we will see what happens when everything gets a lot hotter.

Baronjutter posted:

Russian economy: more or less hosed than Canada??

Certainly more hosed, oil and gas is a much larger portion of Russian exports. That said, Canada's reliance on energy is actually still worrisome.

Ardennes fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Feb 17, 2016

# ? Feb 17, 2016 20:47

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Baronjutter posted:

Russian economy: more or less hosed than Canada??

Canada can do things aside from sell oil, even if the previous government didn't realize that.

# ? Feb 17, 2016 20:49

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ass struggle: Dec 25, 2012; by Athanatos

Unfortunately this week has been very violent in Ukraine. According the the ATO spokesmen this week saw the return of MLRS fire in the immediate area around the ruins of Donetsk Airport. Several soldiers where killed.

# ? Feb 17, 2016 22:56

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